College Football - Championship Week

[Mizzou]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

Where are they at in the rankings that actually mean something?

[Mephistopheles]

#2 because those rankings pretty much say if team X played team Y, this team is the favorite. The other sets of rankings are rubbish and Sagarin admits this.

[snoodmonger]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

[Guest]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

Florida's fifth and, ironically enough, behind Kansas who is fourth.

[snoodmonger]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

Florida's fifth and, ironically enough, behind Kansas who is fourth.

 

Just the way it should be.

Edited November 26, 2007 by snoodmonger

[Andy]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

I prefer the home loss to an unranked mediocre Auburn team. Great stuff.

[CubColtPacer]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

As Meph said, Sagarin does have an influence on the BCS as he is one of the computer rankings. Of course, in the formula that counts for the BCS Florida's only 9th.

 

Again though meph, you're willing to accept that Florida is 2nd using pure points, but at the same time that formula has Kansas 6th and Missouri 9th after last night's games, while you have Missouri 2nd and Kansas 17th. So it's pretty obvious you don't put much weight in that formula except for the high ranking of Florida.

Edited November 26, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[Mizzou]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

You like that one better than the loss at home to unranked Auburn?

 

Edit: looks like Andy's with me!

[Keener98]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

You like that one better than the loss at home to unranked Auburn?

 

Edit: looks like Andy's with me!

 

Havent you guys learned that a loss in the SEC doesnt really count. Because well its the SEC. The SEC folks. SEC.

[Andy]

I just remembered something:

 

Wasn't all the discussion around late September to early October about the scenarios that would come into play with three or more unbeatens? How ironic. I love this season (well except for the ND having its worst year in history part).

 

Also of note: The MAC is trying to get the NCAA to grant a waiver to Miami (OH) to get into a bowl game in the (likely) event that Central Michigan pounds them on Saturday and they finish 6-7 on the grounds of them being a division champion. This waiver, if granted (and all indications are that it will be), probably would make Ball State the one and only 7-5 or better team to be left out in the bowl cold. That's fun.

[Mephistopheles]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

I prefer the home loss to an unranked mediocre Auburn team. Great stuff.

 

Yes, #20.

 

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

 

Well the fact that you don't know that Georgia-Florida is a neutral site game pretty much nullifies your opinion. Good Stuff.

 

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

As Meph said, Sagarin does have an influence on the BCS as he is one of the computer rankings. Of course, in the formula that counts for the BCS Florida's only 9th.

 

Again though meph, you're willing to accept that Florida is 2nd using pure points, but at the same time that formula has Kansas 6th and Missouri 9th after last night's games, while you have Missouri 2nd and Kansas 17th. So it's pretty obvious you don't put much weight in that formula except for the high ranking of Florida.

 

There is an inverse relationship between accuracy and SOS. In other words, the system is going to get a team like Kansas wrong because Mangino eats cupcakes everyday.

 

This place's fixation on losses is laughable. A game between two opponents is a probabilistic outcome. Just because team X is better it does not mean they will win 100% of the time. Wins and losses in college football mean less than wins and losses in baseball. This is a statistical truth and can not be refuted.

[Andy]

This place's fixation on losses is laughable. A game between two opponents is a probabilistic outcome. Just because team X is better it does not mean they will win 100% of the time. Wins and losses in college football mean less than wins and losses in baseball. This is a statistical truth and can not be refuted.

I'm going to need some explanation. The best baseball teams almost never win 60 percent of their games and the worst don't often win under 40. Meanwhile, in college football, there are normally plenty of two-loss or fewer teams and plenty of two-win or fewer teams. From what I've seen, college football, more than any other sport in America, is the most likely to have the better team win a game.

[snoodmonger]

Oh, my bad. Still a 12 point-loss. One of your three. By "your" I mean Florida's. Since you randomly picked Florida to root for because you play them in a video game.

[Keener98]

Because a loss is the only way to really judge a team. If said team is better than other team it should win. If they dont then they have no reason to bitch and moan about the system. The players know how the system works, if they dont want to be "wronged" then win your games plain and simple. To much in college football as it is right now is placed in the hands of writers and polls, when they should have the least to say in how things are. Play the games, if you lose, then you cant say you were wronged, or whatever.

[Guest]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

 

Well the fact that you don't know that Georgia-Florida is a neutral site game pretty much nullifies your opinion. Good Stuff.

 

Gainesville is a hell of a lot closer to Jacksonville than Athens is. I'd say that favors Florida.

[Keener98]

Kansas sucks.

 

BTW, did you guys see the number 2 in the Sagarin ratings? I'll give you guys a hint: They don't have one or two losses.

 

good thing some guy in USA Today's rankings have no actual effect on the real world

 

Except one of his polls is used for the BCS Computer rankings...

 

Florida's top five in all scientific polls that involve SOS and score as well as other things. It should be certain that theyre one of the top five teams in the country.

 

 

which of FLorida's 3 losses was your favorite? I prefer the 12 point loss at home to Georgia. Good stuff.

 

Well the fact that you don't know that Georgia-Florida is a neutral site game pretty much nullifies your opinion. Good Stuff.

 

Gainesville is a hell of a lot closer to Jacksonville than Athens is. I'd say that favors Florida.

 

Details arent important.

[Mizzou]

This place's fixation on losses is laughable. A game between two opponents is a probabilistic outcome. Just because team X is better it does not mean they will win 100% of the time. Wins and losses in college football mean less than wins and losses in baseball. This is a statistical truth and can not be refuted.

No, what's laughable is how you just overlook the fact that Florida lost three times. Three times!

[Mizzou]

By the way, how does a guy who goes to school in Texas become a Florida fan? Do you have ANY ties to the school at all, or did you just start rooting for them because they've had a good program?

[Keener98]

By the way, how does a guy who goes to school in Texas become a Florida fan? Do you have ANY ties to the school at all, or did you just start rooting for them because they've had a good program?

 

DING DING DING we have a winner!

[Mephistopheles]

Oh, my bad. Still a 12 point-loss. One of your three.

 

You're right. A 12 point loss in a game where Tebow couldn't run because of his shoulder and was sacked six times because of this. He's been sacked six times the entire rest of the season (!). Granted, the defense gave up 42 points, but the Gators would have scored 40 or so with a healthy Tebow, more than likely so the 12 point difference isn't very telling but keep pretending it is if you want.

 

This place's fixation on losses is laughable. A game between two opponents is a probabilistic outcome. Just because team X is better it does not mean they will win 100% of the time. Wins and losses in college football mean less than wins and losses in baseball. This is a statistical truth and can not be refuted.

I'm going to need some explanation. The best baseball teams almost never win 60 percent of their games and the worst don't often win under 40. Meanwhile, in college football, there are normally plenty of two-loss or fewer teams and plenty of two-win or fewer teams. From what I've seen, college football, more than any other sport in America, is the most likely to have the better team win a game.

 

Your on the right track. This quote is true: "From what I've seen, college football, more than any other sport in America, is the most likely to have the better team win a game." The problem is that wins and losses don't accurately measure which team is better. If you assume that the Gators are the number 2 team in the country, based on their schedule the most likely outcome is 2 losses. They would be expected to lose 2 games 32% of the time. They would be expected to lose 3 or more games 27.8% of the time!

[Keener98]

Oh, my bad. Still a 12 point-loss. One of your three.

 

You're right. A 12 point loss in a game where Tebow couldn't run because of his shoulder and was sacked six times because of this. He's been sacked six times the entire rest of the season (!). Granted, the defense gave up 42 points, but the Gators would have scored 40 or so with a healthy Tebow, more than likely so the 12 point difference isn't very telling but keep pretending it is if you want.

 

This place's fixation on losses is laughable. A game between two opponents is a probabilistic outcome. Just because team X is better it does not mean they will win 100% of the time. Wins and losses in college football mean less than wins and losses in baseball. This is a statistical truth and can not be refuted.

I'm going to need some explanation. The best baseball teams almost never win 60 percent of their games and the worst don't often win under 40. Meanwhile, in college football, there are normally plenty of two-loss or fewer teams and plenty of two-win or fewer teams. From what I've seen, college football, more than any other sport in America, is the most likely to have the better team win a game.

 

Your on the right track. This quote is true: "From what I've seen, college football, more than any other sport in America, is the most likely to have the better team win a game." The problem is that wins and losses don't accurately measure which team is better. If you assume that the Gators are the number 2 team in the country, based on their schedule the most likely outcome is 2 losses. They would be expected to lose 2 games 32% of the time. They would be expected to lose 3 or more games 27.8% of the time!

 

So they score 40 with Tebow they still lose by 2

[snoodmonger]

and for the record, I'm not going to sit here and say KU is better than Florida. We could beat them, probably. But if they played 10 times, Florida would win the lion's share (7, 8 times).

 

What I don't understand is why you're constantly complaining about it. The best team doesn't always win (it's like that in every sport), and the rankings are never perfect reflections of the teams' abilities. It's like this every year. You're smart enough to understand that this is the way the system works. I'd be more interested in hearing how you would improve it rather than you simply complaining about its inequities, rudely sniping about other posters' favorite teams, and constantly force-feeding the board with Florida propaganda.

[Guest]

and for the record, I'm not going to sit here and say KU is better than Florida. We could beat them, probably. But if they played 10 times, Florida would win the lion's share (7, 8 times).

 

What I don't understand is why you're constantly complaining about it. The best team doesn't always win (it's like that in every sport), and the rankings are never perfect reflections of the teams' abilities. It's like this every year. You're smart enough to understand that this is the way the system works. I'd be more interested in hearing how you would improve it rather than you simply complaining about its inequities, rudely sniping about other posters' favorite teams, and constantly force-feeding the board with Florida propaganda.

 

If he wasn't a Florida fan we wouldn't be hearing anything about Florida. Well, we'd probably hear a bit, but not very much.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Tim should open up a Florida Gators board so Meph could go there and argue by himself. I'd chip in for the server costs.

[Mephistopheles]

Oh, my bad. Still a 12 point-loss. One of your three.

 

You're right. A 12 point loss in a game where Tebow couldn't run because of his shoulder and was sacked six times because of this. He's been sacked six times the entire rest of the season (!). Granted, the defense gave up 42 points, but the Gators would have scored 40 or so with a healthy Tebow, more than likely so the 12 point difference isn't very telling but keep pretending it is if you want.

 

This place's fixation on losses is laughable. A game between two opponents is a probabilistic outcome. Just because team X is better it does not mean they will win 100% of the time. Wins and losses in college football mean less than wins and losses in baseball. This is a statistical truth and can not be refuted.

I'm going to need some explanation. The best baseball teams almost never win 60 percent of their games and the worst don't often win under 40. Meanwhile, in college football, there are normally plenty of two-loss or fewer teams and plenty of two-win or fewer teams. From what I've seen, college football, more than any other sport in America, is the most likely to have the better team win a game.

 

Your on the right track. This quote is true: "From what I've seen, college football, more than any other sport in America, is the most likely to have the better team win a game." The problem is that wins and losses don't accurately measure which team is better. If you assume that the Gators are the number 2 team in the country, based on their schedule the most likely outcome is 2 losses. They would be expected to lose 2 games 32% of the time. They would be expected to lose 3 or more games 27.8% of the time!

 

So they score 40 with Tebow they still lose by 2

 

And a two point loss tells us nothing. Absolutely nothing. It's means about the same as winning by two points...