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[imb]

Seeing the Bulls play the Warriors, it's clear they'd benefit so much more from playing a much more up-tempo game than the half court crap they've been doing these past years.

 

The real talent on that team- Deng, Thomas, Thabo, Gordon would be much better suited, and you would just dump leadfooted types Hinrich, Joe Smith, Noah.

 

Hell, Duhon looked like an actual basketball player.

 

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths.

 

You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set.

 

Noah isn't lead-footed either.

 

both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting.

 

Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking.

 

I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here.

 

We ran the Kansas break in high school.

 

(we had three guys that shot 90% from the 3-point line that were drafted but they all went to college. They graduated in different years, of course. What were their names? uh oh, ambiennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn)

 

We did run the kansas break, though.

[TruffleShuffle]

plz stop winning sixers

[sneakypower]

Seeing the Bulls play the Warriors, it's clear they'd benefit so much more from playing a much more up-tempo game than the half court crap they've been doing these past years.

 

The real talent on that team- Deng, Thomas, Thabo, Gordon would be much better suited, and you would just dump leadfooted types Hinrich, Joe Smith, Noah.

 

Hell, Duhon looked like an actual basketball player.

 

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths.

 

You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set.

 

Noah isn't lead-footed either.

 

both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting.

 

Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking.

 

I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here.

 

The level of athleticism he faces in the pros >>>>>> the level of athleticism he faced in ncaa.

 

adam morrison and jj redick were all kinds of great in college.

[Guest]

Oh come now, JJ Redick and Adam Morrison weren't that athletic. Good at college level != athletic.

[snoodmonger]

Seeing the Bulls play the Warriors, it's clear they'd benefit so much more from playing a much more up-tempo game than the half court crap they've been doing these past years.

 

The real talent on that team- Deng, Thomas, Thabo, Gordon would be much better suited, and you would just dump leadfooted types Hinrich, Joe Smith, Noah.

 

Hell, Duhon looked like an actual basketball player.

 

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths.

 

You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set.

 

Noah isn't lead-footed either.

 

both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting.

 

Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking.

 

I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here.

 

The level of athleticism he faces in the pros >>>>>> the level of athleticism he faced in ncaa.

 

adam morrison and jj redick were all kinds of great in college.

 

 

Haha, ok. I'm glad you posted that. It's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so I don't feel compelled to argue anymore. I do have a sneaking suspicion as to why you think he's not athletic enough for the NBA, though.

[Guest]

Seeing the Bulls play the Warriors, it's clear they'd benefit so much more from playing a much more up-tempo game than the half court crap they've been doing these past years.

 

The real talent on that team- Deng, Thomas, Thabo, Gordon would be much better suited, and you would just dump leadfooted types Hinrich, Joe Smith, Noah.

 

Hell, Duhon looked like an actual basketball player.

 

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths.

 

You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set.

 

Noah isn't lead-footed either.

 

both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting.

 

Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking.

 

I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here.

 

The level of athleticism he faces in the pros >>>>>> the level of athleticism he faced in ncaa.

 

adam morrison and jj redick were all kinds of great in college.

 

 

Haha, ok. I'm glad you posted that. It's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so I don't feel compelled to argue anymore. I do have a sneaking suspicion as to why you think he's not athletic enough for the NBA, though.

 

I sense the pattern too.

[snoodmonger]

Seeing the Bulls play the Warriors, it's clear they'd benefit so much more from playing a much more up-tempo game than the half court crap they've been doing these past years.

 

The real talent on that team- Deng, Thomas, Thabo, Gordon would be much better suited, and you would just dump leadfooted types Hinrich, Joe Smith, Noah.

 

Hell, Duhon looked like an actual basketball player.

 

If you think Hinrich is "lead-footed," you don't know what you're talking about. He orchestrated the best fast-break offense in college basketball for two years. Scouting reports list his quickness, athleticism, and court awareness as strengths.

 

You can argue whether or not the Bulls would be better without him. But to say he's some slow-footed, un-athletic throwback PG suggests you're not very familiar with his skill-set.

 

Noah isn't lead-footed either.

 

both of these guys aren't coordinated enough to play in that style of offense. if hinrich played at that pace he'd lead the league in turnovers. fast paced play doesn't really agree with noah. neither does FT shooting.

 

Seriously, what are you talking about? That's the exact style of offense he excelled at in college. How is he not "coordinated"? Ever heard of the "Carolina break"? It was called the "Kansas Break" when Hinrich was in college. And I'm not joking.

 

I don't know enough about Noah to argue him, but I'm left wondering if you have Aaron Gray and Kirk Hinrich confused here.

 

The level of athleticism he faces in the pros >>>>>> the level of athleticism he faced in ncaa.

 

adam morrison and jj redick were all kinds of great in college.

 

 

Haha, ok. I'm glad you posted that. It's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so I don't feel compelled to argue anymore. I do have a sneaking suspicion as to why you think he's not athletic enough for the NBA, though.

 

I sense the pattern too.

 

 

Well, raisin, it's hard to miss. It's right there in black and white.

[Warpticon]

I see the pattern clear as the purest, whitest snow.

[ZFan38]

ITS BECAUSE HE IS WHITE.

[sneakypower]

yeah that must be it.

[JimSorgi]

As hard as the Nets are trying to trade Kidd, they are devoting nearly as much attention to shopping Vince Carter. One prominent player agent, who did not want to be identified, said a Carter-Jermaine O'Neal swap -- with the Nets tossing in an additional piece -- would be the likeliest endgame if the Pacers are unable to find a preferable deal for a young prospect and expiring contracts.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TradeDeadline-080212&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dsheridan_chris%26page%3dTradeDeadline-080212

 

ehh, I was kinda hoping for a young player or a draft pick. Didn't Carter just get a big contract this offseason?

[snoodmonger]

yeah that must be it.

 

 

If I were you, I'd just say you had him confused with Bill Wennington and hope no one calls you on it. Otherwise, you've basically impeached any credibility you have with regards to player evaluation.

[wolf stansson]

yeah that must be it.

 

 

If I were you, I'd just say you had him confused with Bill Wennington and hope no one calls you on it. Otherwise, you've basically impeached any credibility you have with regards to player evaluation.

To get the racial aspect out of it, he should say he confused him with Michael Sweetney.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Lets not deviate from the fact that...Hinrich is a terrible starting PG.

[Exile on Waveland]

As hard as the Nets are trying to trade Kidd, they are devoting nearly as much attention to shopping Vince Carter. One prominent player agent, who did not want to be identified, said a Carter-Jermaine O'Neal swap -- with the Nets tossing in an additional piece -- would be the likeliest endgame if the Pacers are unable to find a preferable deal for a young prospect and expiring contracts.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TradeDeadline-080212&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dsheridan_chris%26page%3dTradeDeadline-080212

 

ehh, I was kinda hoping for a young player or a draft pick. Didn't Carter just get a big contract this offseason?

 

Wow, that would be truly awful. I would like the Pacers even less than I do now. Vince Carter, really? With the Donnie Walsh-UNC connection, it wouldn't surprise me.

[sneakypower]

If I were you, I'd just say you had him confused with Bill Wennington and hope no one calls you on it. Otherwise, you've basically impeached any credibility you have with regards to player evaluation.

He has one of the worst AST:TO ratios in the league for PGs whilst playing in a slow half court offense. He'd be even worse for TOs playing in a fast pace offense, regardless of how good he was in college. Jameer Nelson and Kyle Lowry were good in college and aren't good in the pros. Happier?

 

To get the racial aspect out of it, he should say he confused him with Michael Sweetney.

Good idea, otherwise the astute and perceptive people reading this thread would draw the conclusion I was a self-loathing white guy. :scratch:

[illiniguy]

Lets not deviate from the fact that...Hinrich is a terrible starting PG.

Ah, but only a year ago I argued he couldn't hold Deron Williams' jock and was laughed at for it.

[snoodmonger]

If I were you, I'd just say you had him confused with Bill Wennington and hope no one calls you on it. Otherwise, you've basically impeached any credibility you have with regards to player evaluation.

He has one of the worst AST:TO ratios in the league for PGs whilst playing in a slow half court offense. He'd be even worse for TOs playing in a fast pace offense, regardless of how good he was in college. Jameer Nelson and Kyle Lowry were good in college and aren't good in the pros. Happier?

 

To get the racial aspect out of it, he should say he confused him with Michael Sweetney.

Good idea, otherwise the astute and perceptive people reading this thread would draw the conclusion I was a self-loathing white guy. :scratch:

 

 

You're arguing something completely different now. You insinuated he lacked the athleticism to be effective. Not true. Please admit it.

[fibro]

Lets not deviate from the fact that...Hinrich is a terrible starting PG.

Ah, but only a year ago I argued he couldn't hold Deron Williams' jock and was laughed at for it.

 

I would say the biggest difference between Williams and Hinrich is strength though not athletic ability. I am not saying that Williams is not a better athlete just that his strength is what really sets apart from almost all other point guards.

[snoodmonger]

Lets not deviate from the fact that...Hinrich is a terrible starting PG.

Ah, but only a year ago I argued he couldn't hold Deron Williams' jock and was laughed at for it.

 

I would say the biggest difference between Williams and Hinrich is strength though not athletic ability. I am not saying that Williams is not a better athlete just that his strength is what really sets apart from almost all other point guards.

 

Strength is definitely a weakness of KH. That's why playing him alongside of Thabo (who can more effectively guard bigger, stronger 2s) might make Kirk more effective.

 

He's also annoyingly streaky.

[sneakypower]

You're arguing something completely different now. You insinuated he lacked the athleticism to be effective. Not true. Please admit it.

that's what i argued all along. i just had poor choice of wording i guess characterizing the players ill-suited to play in an uptempo running offense as "lead food types".

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I thought I'd share this video with you Bulls fans...

 

 

 

 

It is basically a behind the scenes interview of the Raptors War room with Brian Coangelo on draft night 2006. Long story short he is trying to trade up to grab Marcus WIlliams...focus in begining @ 1:48. He calls up Pax curious about trading up, but while on the phone asks him about the avialabily of current Bulls, and is brushed off within seconds. Essentially no one on the roster is availabe for trade.

 

I think that basically sums up everything you need to know about John Paxson

[illiniguy]

Lets not deviate from the fact that...Hinrich is a terrible starting PG.

Ah, but only a year ago I argued he couldn't hold Deron Williams' jock and was laughed at for it.

 

I would say the biggest difference between Williams and Hinrich is strength though not athletic ability. I am not saying that Williams is not a better athlete just that his strength is what really sets apart from almost all other point guards.

and you would be wrong. You Tube Deron Williams and Ike Diougu and let me know when Kirk is gonna pull that athletic move off. Plus Williams is a much better shooter as well. So to sum it up Deron Williams is an elite, top 5 point guard. Kirk Hinrich should be a back up.

 

Let's see Hinrich do any of these moves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B9FTbVOUA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5G8IoXx1bE&feature=related

 

Hey Kirk is in this one

[Derwood]

i'll be the first to admit that Williams has been way better in the pros than i thought he'd be. I watched that Illinois team all season and I think the fact that they (seemingly) just passed the ball around and shot 3's all game lulled me into thinking that none of Williams/Head/Brown would translate well into the NBA. I'd take Williams over Hinrich 100 times out of a 100

[illiniguy]

i'll be the first to admit that Williams has been way better in the pros than i thought he'd be. I watched that Illinois team all season and I think the fact that they (seemingly) just passed the ball around and shot 3's all game lulled me into thinking that none of Williams/Head/Brown would translate well into the NBA. I'd take Williams over Hinrich 100 times out of a 100

That team was so much better than everyone that Deron didn't have to take over, but believe he could. Look at the last 5 minutes and overtime of the Arizona game. He was very underated. Oh and Luther Head has been a pretty good pro too.