The Kobe thread (Formerly Kobe to be traded by Oct 30)

[Roast]

I'd trade them Ben, easily. Without hesitation.

 

I'd keep Kirk and Luol.

 

fix'd

[Derwood]

I'd trade them Gordon, easily. Without hesitation.

 

I'd keep Hinrich and Deng.

 

and they'd laugh at you

[USSoccer]

I'd trade them Gordon, easily. Without hesitation.

 

I'd keep Hinrich and Deng.

 

and they'd laugh at you

 

Think so? If I offered them Gordon, Thomas, Wallace, and a couple picks and salary filler, do you really think they're going to get better offers than that from anyone not in their conference?

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

As a Bulls fan, I'm concerned that a trade for Kobe could put them in "NBA Limbo". By that I mean, not good enough to make a real challenge in the postseason, but not bad enough for a lottery pick. This is basically the situation of the Lakers. The talent of Kobe keeps them around a borderline playoff team, but they will never be a true contender without some other pieces. In the NBA you often need to get real bad before you can get real good, by stockpiling some lottery picks. It is real hard to sign top FA talent as the salary cap structure allows teams to easily lock up their young players easily.

[Derwood]

I'd trade them Gordon, easily. Without hesitation.

 

I'd keep Hinrich and Deng.

 

and they'd laugh at you

 

Think so? If I offered them Gordon, Thomas, Wallace, and a couple picks and salary filler, do you really think they're going to get better offers than that from anyone not in their conference?

 

we'll see, but I'm betting they would rather trade for Deng straight up than any package of filler/picks

[swordsman]

And seriously, you're making a big deal out of nothing.

 

Well to be fair, you did bring it up.

 

And if I refer to someone by first name only, and you're confused as to who I could possibly mean, please...let me know and I'll clarify. :)

 

i know who people mean its just to egotistical for my humbled self, as you might imagine ;)

 

i dont like to call alex rodriguez, arod. or even ichiro suzuki, ichiro.

 

the only first name people in sports ill do it to (off the top of my head):

 

Mark

Kerry

 

i have the same rant about Senator Clinton, but people are sick of me saying it

 

I actually have the same feeling (if I understand you properly). I try to use the title with the person whenever I can. President Bush, Senator Clinton, Rep. Jackson. I even cringe a little at Mr. Bush, or Mrs. Clinton. Especially when referring to them in their professional capacity. If Mr. Bush is 4 wheeling around his ranch in Crawford, fine. If Mrs. Clinton is taking in a Cubs-Yankees game, fine. But when talking about them in their elected capacity, use their title.

 

Just my little pet peeve.

[Andy]

They can have anyone but Deng, but like Derwood said I don't think that would be enough.

 

Hopefully his value keeps dropping.

[USSoccer]

I'd trade them Gordon, easily. Without hesitation.

 

I'd keep Hinrich and Deng.

 

and they'd laugh at you

 

Think so? If I offered them Gordon, Thomas, Wallace, and a couple picks and salary filler, do you really think they're going to get better offers than that from anyone not in their conference?

 

we'll see, but I'm betting they would rather trade for Deng straight up than any package of filler/picks

 

I'm sure they'd rather do that as well, but I don't see how they have any leverage. He wants out. They want him gone. He can opt out after this season. Dallas isn't going to deal equal value for him. New York has a pile of crap they can deal. I suppose Phoenix could deal Marion and others for him, but that just makes Phoenix much stronger and LA a ton weaker, and it's in their division. Kobe would veto a trade anywhere else.

 

They're going to have to mae a tough decision. They can lose him for nothing, or get 70 cents on the dollar for him. I'd rather have 70 cents than nothing.

[Banedon]

As a Bulls fan, I'm concerned that a trade for Kobe could put them in "NBA Limbo". By that I mean, not good enough to make a real challenge in the postseason, but not bad enough for a lottery pick. This is basically the situation of the Lakers. The talent of Kobe keeps them around a borderline playoff team, but they will never be a true contender without some other pieces. In the NBA you often need to get real bad before you can get real good, by stockpiling some lottery picks. It is real hard to sign top FA talent as the salary cap structure allows teams to easily lock up their young players easily.

 

Aren't they in "NBA Limbo" now then? It hasn't been evident because we've been reaping the benefits of the Curry trade, but getting to the playoffs and losing in the first or second round is pretty much exactly what you're talking about. If there's a guy worth taking the risk on, I'd say Kobe fits the bill.

[wolf stansson]

Why wouldn't you give them Deng?

 

They are going to absolutely want him as the center piece. Dude can't dribble, can't create his own shot without moving off a screen and doesn't have the range to make that skill set work as a premier player.

 

I'm not saying he isn't good, he is, I just don't think he is by any means untouchable in a deal for the best basketball player in the world.

[MidoreX]

I'd see if Hinrich, Gordon, and Noah could get it done with possibly Brown to bring the salaries closer. Duhon/Sefolosha, Bryant, Deng, Thomas/Nocioni, Wallace is a well rounded and incredibly solid starting 5. Whichever two don't start out off Duhon, Sefolosha, Thomas, and Nocioni will make the top of our bench very strong, but our depth beyond that would be weak.

[Soul]

I'd trade them Gordon, easily. Without hesitation.

 

I'd keep Hinrich and Deng.

 

and they'd laugh at you

 

Think so? If I offered them Gordon, Thomas, Wallace, and a couple picks and salary filler, do you really think they're going to get better offers than that from anyone not in their conference?

 

They might not take it, but I don't think the Lakers are in a position to laugh at anyone at this point. They've got a very limited pool of trading partners here. They've got to either deal or just stick with an unhappy Kobe.

[USSoccer]

I'd see if Hinrich, Gordon, and Noah could get it done with possibly Brown to bring the salaries closer. Duhon/Sefolosha, Bryant, Deng, Thomas/Nocioni, Wallace is a well rounded and incredibly solid starting 5. Whichever two don't start out off Duhon, Sefolosha, Thomas, and Nocioni will make the top of our bench very strong, but our depth beyond that would be weak.

 

I would prefer to keep Hinrich. Gordon is redundant with Bryant.

 

I kind of see Wolf's point re: Deng. There's definetly a limit to Luol's ability, as good as he is. If you could build a deal around Deng and keep Hinrich and Gordon, I'd probably do it.

 

The trickiest part is going to be matching salaries. They'd almost have to include Wallace, and LA is going to probably want Thomas, and maybe Thabo as well. I'm not sure how a sign/trade with Brown would work.

[jaydee]

He has a last name and it's Bryant. He's Kobe Bryant.

 

/rant

 

Oprah also has a last name.

 

So did Leonardo.

 

So does Lebron.

 

 

If calling someone by a last name is acceptable, why not a first name if it adequately identifies who you are discussing?

 

Leonardo doesn't work well in our Leonardo DiCaprio world. I call Oprah Winfrey, (gasp) Oprah Winfrey. I call LeBron James, (gasp...hold on) LeBron James.

 

sweet?

[KingCubsFan]

I'd see if Hinrich, Gordon, and Noah could get it done with possibly Brown to bring the salaries closer. Duhon/Sefolosha, Bryant, Deng, Thomas/Nocioni, Wallace is a well rounded and incredibly solid starting 5. Whichever two don't start out off Duhon, Sefolosha, Thomas, and Nocioni will make the top of our bench very strong, but our depth beyond that would be weak.

 

I would prefer to keep Hinrich. Gordon is redundant with Bryant.

 

I kind of see Wolf's point re: Deng. There's definetly a limit to Luol's ability, as good as he is. If you could build a deal around Deng and keep Hinrich and Gordon, I'd probably do it.

 

The trickiest part is going to be matching salaries. They'd almost have to include Wallace, and LA is going to probably want Thomas, and maybe Thabo as well. I'm not sure how a sign/trade with Brown would work.

Isn't Hinrich a base year compensation player anyways? That makes it almost impossible to trade him

[USSoccer]

I'd see if Hinrich, Gordon, and Noah could get it done with possibly Brown to bring the salaries closer. Duhon/Sefolosha, Bryant, Deng, Thomas/Nocioni, Wallace is a well rounded and incredibly solid starting 5. Whichever two don't start out off Duhon, Sefolosha, Thomas, and Nocioni will make the top of our bench very strong, but our depth beyond that would be weak.

 

I would prefer to keep Hinrich. Gordon is redundant with Bryant.

 

I kind of see Wolf's point re: Deng. There's definetly a limit to Luol's ability, as good as he is. If you could build a deal around Deng and keep Hinrich and Gordon, I'd probably do it.

 

The trickiest part is going to be matching salaries. They'd almost have to include Wallace, and LA is going to probably want Thomas, and maybe Thabo as well. I'm not sure how a sign/trade with Brown would work.

Isn't Hinrich a base year compensation player anyways? That makes it almost impossible to trade him

 

That might have been last year, but I have no idea how NBA contracts and salary caps work.

[Soul]

I'd see if Hinrich, Gordon, and Noah could get it done with possibly Brown to bring the salaries closer. Duhon/Sefolosha, Bryant, Deng, Thomas/Nocioni, Wallace is a well rounded and incredibly solid starting 5. Whichever two don't start out off Duhon, Sefolosha, Thomas, and Nocioni will make the top of our bench very strong, but our depth beyond that would be weak.

 

I would prefer to keep Hinrich. Gordon is redundant with Bryant.

 

I kind of see Wolf's point re: Deng. There's definetly a limit to Luol's ability, as good as he is. If you could build a deal around Deng and keep Hinrich and Gordon, I'd probably do it.

 

The trickiest part is going to be matching salaries. They'd almost have to include Wallace, and LA is going to probably want Thomas, and maybe Thabo as well. I'm not sure how a sign/trade with Brown would work.

 

I mean sure, there's a limit to most players' abilities. For me it's more a matter of not wanting duplicate talent, i.e. Kobe & Gordon, at the cost of a good player that brings other things to the table. Deng may have a ceiling, but it's still a pretty high ceiling all things considered.

 

I dunno.....I'd have mixed feelings if we traded away Deng for Kobe. I guess I'd just wait and see how it works out. We would have even less inside presence.

[USSoccer]

I'd see if Hinrich, Gordon, and Noah could get it done with possibly Brown to bring the salaries closer. Duhon/Sefolosha, Bryant, Deng, Thomas/Nocioni, Wallace is a well rounded and incredibly solid starting 5. Whichever two don't start out off Duhon, Sefolosha, Thomas, and Nocioni will make the top of our bench very strong, but our depth beyond that would be weak.

 

I would prefer to keep Hinrich. Gordon is redundant with Bryant.

 

I kind of see Wolf's point re: Deng. There's definetly a limit to Luol's ability, as good as he is. If you could build a deal around Deng and keep Hinrich and Gordon, I'd probably do it.

 

The trickiest part is going to be matching salaries. They'd almost have to include Wallace, and LA is going to probably want Thomas, and maybe Thabo as well. I'm not sure how a sign/trade with Brown would work.

 

I mean sure, there's a limit to most players' abilities. For me it's more a matter of not wanting duplicate talent, i.e. Kobe & Gordon, at the cost of a good player that brings other things to the table. Deng may have a ceiling, but it's still a pretty high ceiling all things considered.

 

I dunno.....I'd have mixed feelings if we traded away Deng for Kobe. I guess I'd just wait and see how it works out. We would have even less inside presence.

 

I'm assuming that if we make Deng the centerpiece, we can get away with less overall. Like, for instance, Deng/Thabo/Wallace/Brown instead of Gordon/Thomas/etc.

[Outshined_One]

Why wouldn't you give them Deng?

 

They are going to absolutely want him as the center piece. Dude can't dribble, can't create his own shot without moving off a screen and doesn't have the range to make that skill set work as a premier player.

 

I'm not saying he isn't good, he is, I just don't think he is by any means untouchable in a deal for the best basketball player in the world.

 

I'd do Deng for Kobe straight up. :P

 

This is the likely lineup if the Bulls were to trade Deng, Thomas, and spare parts (let's say Sefolosha and a first rounder) for Kobe...

 

PG Hinrich

SG Bryant

SF Nocioni

PF Noah

C Wallace

 

That's a pretty good team, but two obvious problems come up:

 

1) Gordon's essentially useless. Granted, Gordon is not on Kobe's level, but he still is a pretty good player. He'd have some trade value, but the Bulls would not be able to use him. I think that would seriously hurt his trade value.

 

2) The team's depth would be shot. While this team would be an upgrade over the current Lakers, everything would still fall to Kobe. Nobody on the team would really be good enough to pick up the slack if he's having an off night. If anyone in that starting lineup is injured (with the exception of Kobe), it'll just kill the team.

 

I don't think that team can compete. Let's replace Deng with Gordon in the above deal and project the lineup.

 

PG Hinrich

SG Bryant

SF Deng

PF Noah

C Wallace

 

That's a much better team. Deng complements Kobe quite well and is good enough to take over on days when Kobe is having trouble. I think this team would compete with the top teams in the East and even win an NBA Championship.

 

That's why I wouldn't want to part with Deng in a deal.

[wolf stansson]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/krkhinrich/Untitled-1-9.jpg

 

Dream scenario.

[bukie]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

[Derwood]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

[USSoccer]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Andrew Bynum?

 

Plus, who in the West has a "traditional" center? Houston is the only team I can think of.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Not true..we still got Big White and Bad..Aaron Gray

 

Woot!

[Derwood]

Dream scenario.

 

If the Lakers could be talked down to that, the Bulls would be getting away with murder.

 

and would have no center

 

Not true..we still got Big White and Bad..Aaron Gray

 

Woot!

 

yeah, i meant the bulls would have no center (without Wallace), not the Lakers