Trachsel a Cub (this should be fun)

[Backtobanks]

I think Lou had a lot to do with this deal and the last few deals. Lou has done a good job of incorperating some kids into valuable members of the team, but when push comes to shove, he trusts veterans at this point in the season. It has worked with Kendall and the jury is still out on Monroe. We'll have to see what happens, but the Cubs didn't give up anything of value.

[Balsa]

Obviously he's not a guy I want in the rotation all the time, but it'd be a nice spell for some of the younger starters or in case someone gets injured.

 

I don't care that much about Cherry or Moore. Moore was never going anywhere and I think Cherry was overestimated.

 

Not a great trade, but a good trade.

[Rob]

This is garbage. Trachsel is a bit of an upgrade over Gallagher in the short term, but it's not worth trading both Moore and Cherry for.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Mortgaging the future for a questionable upgrade of a team thats 4 games over .500...thats Cub baseball

 

Hilarious. Wow, hyperbole much? I'd like to know what conceivable futures is being mortgaged by moving the Great Scott Moore (ex-Detroit flotsam, failed 1st round pick) and the Great Rocky Cherry (28 years old with a 4+ AAA ERA).

 

There is no universe where either of these guys is a difference maker for the Cubs. None. Get a grip.

[Jon]

I hope Marshall enjoyed his last non-spot start of the season.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Trachsel is a useful arm

 

Trachsel is a useful arm for unloading groceries or laying sod.

 

As a pitcher, he's one of MLB's worst.

 

You've heard of addition by subtraction?

 

Welcome to subtraction by addition.

 

Another hyperbolic post. Yeah, he's one of the worst pitchers in baseball. Tell that to the teams he pitched against in April, May and August. He's old, he's inconsistent. He's not crap.

[UMFan83]

Mortgaging the future for a questionable upgrade of a team thats 4 games over .500...thats Cub baseball

 

Hilarious. Wow, hyperbole much? I'd like to know what conceivable futures is being mortgaged by moving the Great Scott Moore (ex-Detroit flotsam, failed 1st round pick) and the Great Rocky Cherry (28 years old with a 4+ AAA ERA).

 

There is no universe where either of these guys is a difference maker for the Cubs. None. Get a grip.

 

I already apologized for my bad wording. I didn't mean we are giving away great prospects. I just meant that we were giving up assets for a marginal pitcher that we don't need.

[imb]

Steve Trachsel? What is this, 1998? Jesus christ.

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't get it.

[dbeider]

I don't get it.

 

I do, the Cubs starting pitching can't consistently go deep in games, and they picked up a guy who has averaged over 204 innings per year in his career.

 

They need a 6th starter anyway, one (Trachsel or Marhsall) goes to the bullpen.

 

Marshall can go to the bullpen and spend the last month learning how to be a reliever, get used to warming up in a hurry and then if the Cubs make the playoffs, they have 2 somewhat experienced lefty relievers.

 

This trade is not exciting and definitely not worth all the hulabaloo in this thread. 2 minor league players with little future on the Cubs for a guy that may help this year, or at least Piniella and Hendry believe he will.

 

Big deal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think we should let Marshall spend September continuing to be one of the top 4 starters in the rotation, then leave him in the rotation for the playoffs, as opposed to letting inferior players like Marquis or Trachsel take all those meaningful innings.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Mortgaging the future for a questionable upgrade of a team thats 4 games over .500...thats Cub baseball

 

Hilarious. Wow, hyperbole much? I'd like to know what conceivable futures is being mortgaged by moving the Great Scott Moore (ex-Detroit flotsam, failed 1st round pick) and the Great Rocky Cherry (28 years old with a 4+ AAA ERA).

 

There is no universe where either of these guys is a difference maker for the Cubs. None. Get a grip.

 

I already apologized for my bad wording. I didn't mean we are giving away great prospects. I just meant that we were giving up assets for a marginal pitcher that we don't need.

 

Fair enough. I would take issue though that (a) Moore and Cherry are assets valued by other teams much, and (b) that Trachsel is someone we don't need. You can ALWAYS use a durable pitcher with starting experience, even if it's only for insurance or mopup duty.

 

Keep in mind that sometimes these things don't work out, but sometimes they do, too. Look at Piniero and Weaver with the Cards the last two years. Wells goes out and pitches a good game for the Dodgers his first time.

 

If Trachsel helps the Cubs win just one or two games max in September, the trade was worth it. He's not signed for next year, this is a 30-day plus October gig for him.

[Wilson A2000]

He does have a crappy ERA and WHIP, but he was in the AL East. Lilly sure improved here. Could anyone else from the minors have started in place of Trachsel fro the double headers?

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Not that it matters much (sample size), but Trachsel was horrible vs. the NL this year in interleague play- 5.93 ERA, 1.63 WHIP.

 

Another thing- Trachsel was actually pretty decent at home (TBACY); 3.65 ERA, 1.49 WHIP. However on the road, he had a 5.27 ERA and a 1.67 WHIP.

 

Needless to say, this...should be interesting.

[A New Era]

Hey maybe we'll be the new cardinals and turn "crap" players into stars for several months. It's working so far on Kendall. Maybe Trach will win a game in the World Series for us. 8-)

[CUBZ99]

I think we should let Marshall spend September continuing to be one of the top 4 starters in the rotation, then leave him in the rotation for the playoffs, as opposed to letting inferior players like Marquis or Trachsel take all those meaningful innings.

 

Your idea of a good 4th or 5th starter is very unrealistic. Trachsel is coming to give the Cubs another option down the stretch, not be the ace of the staff.

[Mizzou]

Feel free to check the numbers yourself.

 

WHIP over 1.50 and absolutely ridiculously terrible K/BB, what else needs to be checked? He's awful. He was awful last year with an ERA of nearly 5, he was over 5 this year until he started getting lucky in August. He still can't strike anybody out, he's walking more than he strikes out and giving up too many baserunners.

 

He's awful.

Again, he's a number 3 or 4 starter if you compare him to his peers. That's not awful. This is pretty simple, I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Feel free to check the numbers yourself.

 

WHIP over 1.50 and absolutely ridiculously terrible K/BB, what else needs to be checked? He's awful. He was awful last year with an ERA of nearly 5, he was over 5 this year until he started getting lucky in August. He still can't strike anybody out, he's walking more than he strikes out and giving up too many baserunners.

 

He's awful.

Again, he's a number 3 or 4 starter if you compare him to his peers. That's not awful. This is pretty simple, I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it.

 

No, he's not. You can't say he's a "3 or 4 starter" by counting up his rank without noting there's not nearly that many qualified starters. He's 79th of 86 qualified in WHIP, 86th of 86 in K/BB, 103 of 103 in K/9, 87 of 103 in OBP against, 72 of 103 in OPS against. Awful.

[SouthSideRyan]

What TT said, just because he ranks in between 61-90 doesn't make him a #3. It's disingenuous to not point out that there aren't anywhere close to 150 qualified starters.

 

But, as long as he doesn't replace Marshall in the rotation I'll be ok with this. But after today, I'm kinda afraid of that.

[XZero771679666304]

What TT said, just because he ranks in between 61-90 doesn't make him a #3. It's disingenuous to not point out that there aren't anywhere close to 150 qualified starters.

 

But, as long as he doesn't replace Marshall in the rotation I'll be ok with this. But after today, I'm kinda afraid of that.

 

Could it be that they will go to a 6 man rotation to mitigate the lack of days off? I fear what you fear, but it may be that Trachsel is just insurance, or someone to eat some innings.

[C.C.]

What TT said, just because he ranks in between 61-90 doesn't make him a #3. It's disingenuous to not point out that there aren't anywhere close to 150 qualified starters.

 

But, as long as he doesn't replace Marshall in the rotation I'll be ok with this. But after today, I'm kinda afraid of that.

 

Could it be that they will go to a 6 man rotation to mitigate the lack of days off? I fear what you fear, but it may be that Trachsel is just insurance, or someone to eat some innings.

 

It seems that way.

[A New Era]

Trachsel will get a start here or there as the cubs will go with a matchup dictaded six man rotation for september. According to cubs.com.

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't get it.

 

I do, the Cubs starting pitching can't consistently go deep in games, and they picked up a guy who has averaged over 204 innings per year in his career.

 

They need a 6th starter anyway, one (Trachsel or Marhsall) goes to the bullpen.

 

Marshall can go to the bullpen and spend the last month learning how to be a reliever, get used to warming up in a hurry and then if the Cubs make the playoffs, they have 2 somewhat experienced lefty relievers.

 

This trade is not exciting and definitely not worth all the hulabaloo in this thread. 2 minor league players with little future on the Cubs for a guy that may help this year, or at least Piniella and Hendry believe he will.

 

Big deal.

 

I guess what I don't understand is why we traded for a starter who is inferior to every starter on our team. I don't care who we gave up.

 

Why move Marshall to the pen and replace him with someone who isn't as good as him? It doesn't make sense so that's why I don't get it.

[Chocolate Milk]

Trachsel will get a start here or there as the cubs will go with a matchup dictaded six man rotation for september. According to cubs.com.

 

This actually isn't so bad. I don't mind him getting a spot start here and there to keep the main guys fresh for a potential playoff push. Replacing anyone besides Marquis in the rotation is silly though.

[Illini Iceman]

Feel free to check the numbers yourself.

 

WHIP over 1.50 and absolutely ridiculously terrible K/BB, what else needs to be checked? He's awful. He was awful last year with an ERA of nearly 5, he was over 5 this year until he started getting lucky in August. He still can't strike anybody out, he's walking more than he strikes out and giving up too many baserunners.

 

He's awful.

Again, he's a number 3 or 4 starter if you compare him to his peers. That's not awful. This is pretty simple, I don't understand what's so hard to understand about it.

 

No, he's not. You can't say he's a "3 or 4 starter" by counting up his rank without noting there's not nearly that many qualified starters. He's 79th of 86 qualified in WHIP, 86th of 86 in K/BB, 103 of 103 in K/9, 87 of 103 in OBP against, 72 of 103 in OPS against. Awful.

 

For crying out loud, they added some pitching depth for the stretch run when arms start getting tired for NOTHING. Moore and Cherry had probably just about zero market value. They are old to still be in AAA and not even putting up good numbers there. Hendry was going to have to release some of these type of redundant players anyway to clear 40 man space in the offseason so now he at least did it and got a pitcher that will eat some innings out of the bullpen and then be gone after the season.

Anyone that thinks that Moore and Cherry were going to be key trading chips in the offseason for young, talented major leaguers is delusional.