Anybody else concerned about Marmol?

[baseball7897]

I am very concerned about Marmol.

[TheDude]

There are 67 relievers in baseball with more IP than Marmol. There are 125 relievers with more appearances.

 

I'm not saying that he should be tossed out there back-to-back anytime, but I can't see his usage as out of control compared to the league. Howry and Wuertz have been used more and Dempster about equal (more appearances, 3 less innings).

 

Marmol was called up almost 2 months into the season though.

He missed the first 6 weeks (42 games). I think he is alright provided Lou limits his back-to-back appearances the rest of the way. I'll be as concerned as everyone else by season's end if he's out there 5/7 days in September.

 

He didn't miss 6 weeks. He was starting in Iowa, racking up innings. It's not like those don't count just because they were in AAA.

 

At that time he was a starter and prepared to pitch starter innings, so from that perspective, his innings have decreased from projections. Since becoming a reliever his usage has been heavy, and you are right there is some concern with the number of back-to-back appearances.

 

However, I don't think the concern is dire. If he is well managed the rest of the way, he should be fine.

[Balsa]

Glad for the win, but Marmol looked shaky in his second inning.

 

With the number of innings he's on pace for, I'd like to see Lou limit his outings to one inning a piece.

[Soul]

Glad for the win, but Marmol looked shaky in his second inning.

 

With the number of innings he's on pace for, I'd like to see Lou limit his outings to one inning a piece.

 

Hard to do if Lilly is going to throw 100 pitches in 4 innings of work.

 

I really hate this. Marmol is awesome, and I fear for his safety!

 

He struggled in his 2nd inning -- got out of it though, and was therefore as much responsible as anyone for the victory.

 

I can't quantify it, but without Marmol I feel like we wouldn't be within 5 games right now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Marmol's thrown a couple more innings than you'd like this month, but I'm not overly concerned about his usage. He hardly ever pitches back-to-back days(and the rare times he has his second outing has been something like .1 IP) and very frequently gets multiple days off between outings.

[jersey cubs fan]

Marmol's thrown a couple more innings than you'd like this month, but I'm not overly concerned about his usage. He hardly ever pitches back-to-back days(and the rare times he has his second outing has been something like .1 IP) and very frequently gets multiple days off between outings.

 

33 times with 0 or 1 days rest compared to 13 with 2 or more. 22 outings of more than 1 inning.

 

16 innings per month which correlates to 96 relief innings over a season.

 

Why are people pretending Marmol isn't being pushed to the limit? If he is not, then no reliever ever gets pushed to the limit.

[BigbadB]

Marmol had such a light 1st inning last night, I can reasonably understand why they brought him back out for another.

 

They also might have felt like they could go two innings with him yesterday knowing that rosters expand this weekend.

 

Last night's game was super important to win.

[RyCubsFan]

Anyone want to try Marmol as a starter again next year?

[BigbadB]

Anyone want to try Marmol as a starter again next year?

 

No.

[Peoriaman]

My only "concern" is that he throw more fastballs, and less violent sliders.

[BigbadB]

My only "concern" is that he throw more fastballs, and less violent sliders.

 

He threw nothing but fastballs to the first guy he struck out last night.

[RyCubsFan]

I'm of the opinion that a good starter is more valuable than a good reliever. And another dominant arm in the rotation would do wonders.

 

I don't know whether Marmol could be a good starter or not...but I don't see why not.

 

What does he throw besides FB and Slider? (Those are good enough that I'm not sure he'd need to throw a 3rd pitch all that often.)

 

How would this be?

 

Zambrano

Hill

Marmol

Lilly

Marshall / Gallagher / Samardzija

[Peoriaman]

My only "concern" is that he throw more fastballs, and less violent sliders.

 

He threw nothing but fastballs to the first guy he struck out last night.

 

 

I would like to see more of that.

[BigbadB]

I'm of the opinion that a good starter is more valuable than a good reliever. And another dominant arm in the rotation would do wonders.

 

I don't know whether Marmol could be a good starter or not...but I don't see why not.

 

What does he throw besides FB and Slider? (Those are good enough that I'm not sure he'd need to throw a 3rd pitch all that often.)

 

How would this be?

 

Zambrano

Hill

Marmol

Lilly

Marshall / Gallaher / Samardzija

 

Are we writing off Guzman and Prior completely? I think Dempster is ready for a move back to the rotation also.

[BigbadB]

My only "concern" is that he throw more fastballs, and less violent sliders.

 

He threw nothing but fastballs to the first guy he struck out last night.

 

 

I would like to see more of that.

 

It's great until the opposing hitters start sitting on fastballs.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Are we writing off Guzman and Prior completely? I think Dempster is ready for a move back to the rotation also.

 

So he can suck? Dempster is a terrible starting pitcher. He's found a niche as a decent closer. I have no interest in putting him back in the rotation.

[jersey cubs fan]

Marmol had such a light 1st inning last night, I can reasonably understand why they brought him back out for another.

 

They also might have felt like they could go two innings with him yesterday knowing that rosters expand this weekend.

 

Last night's game was super important to win.

 

I don't have a problem with him going 2 last night. All I'm saying is the cumulative numbers suggest he's being used an awful lot.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm of the opinion that a good starter is more valuable than a good reliever. And another dominant arm in the rotation would do wonders.

 

I don't know whether Marmol could be a good starter or not...but I don't see why not.

 

What does he throw besides FB and Slider? (Those are good enough that I'm not sure he'd need to throw a 3rd pitch all that often.)

 

How would this be?

 

Zambrano

Hill

Marmol

Lilly

Marshall / Gallagher / Samardzija

 

Marmol has some outings where his control simply isn't there. As a reliever, you can get a couple outs out of him and pull him. As a starter, he'd be prone to the big inning sometime during the outing. Plus, his fastball has extra velocity as a reliever, which turns it from a good pitch into a dominant pitch. He doesn't really have a good third pitch that he can throw.

 

Marmol simply can be a much better reliever than starter. He possibly could grow into an average to slightly above average starter, but then what's more important-a great reliever or an average starter?

[RyCubsFan]

I'm of the opinion that a good starter is more valuable than a good reliever. And another dominant arm in the rotation would do wonders.

 

I don't know whether Marmol could be a good starter or not...but I don't see why not.

 

What does he throw besides FB and Slider? (Those are good enough that I'm not sure he'd need to throw a 3rd pitch all that often.)

 

How would this be?

 

Zambrano

Hill

Marmol

Lilly

Marshall / Gallagher / Samardzija

 

Are we writing off Guzman and Prior completely? I think Dempster is ready for a move back to the rotation also.

 

I would MUCH rather try Marmol in the starting rotation than Dempster. Dempster was never an effective starter, where as he is a quite decent reliever. I'm fine with him at closer.

 

I love Guzman and Prior, but I can't count on either of them for the rotation. If one or both of them remains healthy and performs how they are capable, then they too deserve a shot in the rotation.

[BigbadB]

I don't think he'd be any worse than Marquis. Dempster has never been a lock down starter, but he was an innings eater before the wear and tear of a long baseball season got the better of him.

 

As good as his slider is right now, I think he'd be alright moving back to the rotation. But, I'd rather see Guzman or Prior (if he comes back) or even Wood lock up the last spot(s).

[The Voice of Reason]

Marmol should be closing and Mr. (my stats are padded with lucky saves) Dempster should be pitching before Howry.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Marmol's thrown a couple more innings than you'd like this month, but I'm not overly concerned about his usage. He hardly ever pitches back-to-back days(and the rare times he has his second outing has been something like .1 IP) and very frequently gets multiple days off between outings.

 

33 times with 0 or 1 days rest compared to 13 with 2 or more. 22 outings of more than 1 inning.

 

16 innings per month which correlates to 96 relief innings over a season.

 

Why are people pretending Marmol isn't being pushed to the limit? If he is not, then no reliever ever gets pushed to the limit.

 

Because he's not being "pushed to the limit", that's really disingenuous wording. There's a very large difference between warming up, throwing 15-25 pitches in 1+ innings of work, followed by 1-2 days off, and warming up, throwing 10-15 pitches in an inning or less for 3 out of 4 days. He's been starting for his entire career, so it's not like he's approaching a threshold he's never reached. He even started right up until he got moved to the Chicago pen, another reason that he's fine with the workload. 4 IP per week is not going to ruin him, not even close.

[Monco]

Lou seems to have some Dusty in him. Lilly throwing 127 pitches was silly.They have a 12 man staff to ease the workload but...

[Fred Hornkohl]

Lou seems to have some Dusty in him. Lilly throwing 127 pitches was silly.They have a 12 man staff to ease the workload but...

 

I believe right now the staff is only 11.

[SouthSideRyan]

Lou seems to have some Dusty in him. Lilly throwing 127 pitches was silly.They have a 12 man staff to ease the workload but...

 

I believe right now the staff is only 11.

 

And Lilly threw 107.