Dempster is a poor excuse for a pitcher

[oldcubsfan]

Dempster, Howry......don't know why Hendry didn't get someone at the deadline. These two are unreliable late in games. Marmol should be the closer. Lou Piniella screwed up this game once again. I hope someone beats up Dempster after the game.

 

I think the title of your post shows a total lack of knowledge of baseball and common sense. Little wonder people view message boards poorly.

Yes, he had an awful game, but the title of the post shows an infantile ability to understand baseball.

[Sammy Sofa]

IMO, the Cubs won't go far with Dempster as their closer. He is a high stress pitcher - the more men that get on base, the worse he is. Lord knows how the 9th would have gone today if the home plate ump had eyes but Carlos Marmol needs to become the closer ASAP.

 

I don't think it really matters who closes. But Marmol is the guy who's pitching the best, along with probably Howry. They should be facing the middle of the other team's order; let the other guys take on the 6-9 hitters when possible.

 

If definitely matters who closes. A closer needs to be able to throw strikes (Marmol). Dempster walks a ton of guys and it just builds up the pressure.

 

You should have your best relievers pitching in big situations, whether it be earlier in the game or later, rather than using them in the 9th inning with a lead. The closer label/position is the most overrated thing ever.

 

I agree with this philosophy. Dempster might not be the answer for closer, but making Marmol close would be a poor move.

 

Couldn't agree more. Making Marmol the closer no matter what is gonna be a waste of him unless it's a tight game.

 

Dempster coming it with it being a tie game was a poor choice. I know people will disagree, but Wood should have come in when Howry did, and then Bob should have been used when Dempster was.

[Bote McBoteface]

Demp has pitched poorly since coming off the DL. That shouldn't erase the fact that he pitched very well before the DL stint. Hopefully he pulls it together, and soon.

[erik316wttn]

That was a painful game to be at today.

 

When will Lou get the hint that Dempster sucks out loud in non-save situations?

 

btw, I didn't hear why Z was taken out. Care to enlighten me?

[CubColtPacer]

That was a painful game to be at today.

 

When will Lou get the hint that Dempster sucks out loud in non-save situations?

 

btw, I didn't hear why Z was taken out. Care to enlighten me?

 

Cramps and Dehydration-doesn't sound like anything serious.

[Sosa21MVP]

Dempster seems to pitch worse in non-save situations. That is my impression, I'm sure somebody else can quickly disprove it.

 

When your offense can't generate more than 2 runs you have to look there when dishing out blame too.

[erik316wttn]

Does anyone have Dempsters splits in save vs. non-save situations?

[cjbucks]

IMO, the Cubs won't go far with Dempster as their closer. He is a high stress pitcher - the more men that get on base, the worse he is. Lord knows how the 9th would have gone today if the home plate ump had eyes but Carlos Marmol needs to become the closer ASAP.

 

You are absolutely right - we need a guy like Borowski. He would come in and nail them down and he had us within a few outs of the WS in 2003

[erik316wttn]

IMO, the Cubs won't go far with Dempster as their closer. He is a high stress pitcher - the more men that get on base, the worse he is. Lord knows how the 9th would have gone today if the home plate ump had eyes but Carlos Marmol needs to become the closer ASAP.

 

You are absolutely right - we need a guy like Borowski. He would come in and nail them down and he had us within a few outs of the WS in 2003

 

I don't blame the Cubs for giving up on him after his injury, but our loss is Cleveland's gain.

[The Voice of Reason]

Demp has pitched poorly since coming off the DL. That shouldn't erase the fact that he pitched very well before the DL stint. Hopefully he pulls it together, and soon.

 

Give me a break. Dempster is a poor excuse for a closer - I don't care what his "stats" say. He is an accident waiting to happen.

 

He can't throw strikes with his slider and players are just waiting to pound his 2 -0 and 3 - 1 fast balls. He's gotten lucky for a long time now (hence his misleading save numbers) but Lou can't put up with his high wire act much longer.

 

A good closer has control and strike out capability. Demspter has neither and should never close another game for the Cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Dempsters done just fine for himself unless its against The Mets. Most pitchers have on or team that totally owns them, Demps just happens to be the Mets. He usually gets himself into jams and gets out of it. Marmol, however may be a bit more dominant as a closer.

 

If your going to ride someone out of town, let it be Ohman and his 50 foot curve ball.

[LetsPlayTwo]

Dempster seems to pitch worse in non-save situations. That is my impression, I'm sure somebody else can quickly disprove it.

 

When your offense can't generate more than 2 runs you have to look there when dishing out blame too.

 

Actually, you're right. This season he has an ERA of 5.45 in non-save situations and an ERA of 3.93 in save situations. While ERA is a limited stat and keeping in mind the small sample sizes, he's clearly better in save situations.

Edited August 4, 2007 by Let'sPlayTwo

[The Voice of Reason]

Dempsters done just fine for himself unless its against The Mets. Most pitchers have on or team that totally owns them, Demps just happens to be the Mets. He usually gets himself into jams and gets out of it. Marmol, however may be a bit more dominant as a closer.

 

If your going to ride someone out of town, let it be Ohman and his 50 foot curve ball.

 

 

:roll:

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah we need Borowski and his horrendous numbers this year.

 

We also need Marmol to pitch the 9th innings of games we lead by 3 or less. That way we could've lost today in the 6th or 7th rather than the 9th.

[anabiono]

IMO, the Cubs won't go far with Dempster as their closer. He is a high stress pitcher - the more men that get on base, the worse he is. Lord knows how the 9th would have gone today if the home plate ump had eyes but Carlos Marmol needs to become the closer ASAP.

 

I don't think it really matters who closes. But Marmol is the guy who's pitching the best, along with probably Howry. They should be facing the middle of the other team's order; let the other guys take on the 6-9 hitters when possible.

 

If definitely matters who closes. A closer needs to be able to throw strikes (Marmol). Dempster walks a ton of guys and it just builds up the pressure.

 

You should have your best relievers pitching in big situations, whether it be earlier in the game or later, rather than using them in the 9th inning with a lead. The closer label/position is the most overrated thing ever.

 

I agree with this philosophy. Dempster might not be the answer for closer, but making Marmol close would be a poor move.

 

Couldn't agree more. Making Marmol the closer no matter what is gonna be a waste of him unless it's a tight game.

 

Dempster coming it with it being a tie game was a poor choice. I know people will disagree, but Wood should have come in when Howry did, and then Bob should have been used when Dempster was.

 

exactly exactly exactly...closers should never be used in tie game situations unless it is absolutely necessary...i am still trying to wrap my head around why wood wasn't put in today...it was a 2-1 mets lead when he was warming up...well...2-2 isn't exactly all that much different...both are pressure situations...

 

it should have been

 

wood

howry

then maybe a win

 

oh well...Mr. Adventure strikes again!

[Z38Cubs]

Dempster, Howry......don't know why Hendry didn't get someone at the deadline. These two are unreliable late in games. Marmol should be the closer. Lou Piniella screwed up this game once again. I hope someone beats up Dempster after the game.

What has Howry done wrong?

 

i think synergy slept through the past two months

 

He's been sleeping since June 3rd. The only time he shows up is when the Cubs have a stinker of a game, then he comes here and starts talking about DFA'ing everyone. I'm pretty sure he wanted Zambrano and Lee DFA'ed earlier this year too. He can't be more than 12 or 13 years old.

[Wilson A2000]

Man, before today he had the second best ERA in the pen besides Marmol. Man he sucks!

 

Piniella should have pitched Wood. You don't pitch closers in non-save situations if you don't have to.

 

Maybe he was cramped. Start stocking Midol in the dugout for him and Z.

[Soul]

The title of this thread is ridiculous.

[badger1679666666]

Dempster's just been awful since he came off the DL. It's only a matter of time before Marmol becomes the closer. Right?

 

Wait isn't it [clever and witty]Dumpster[/clever and witty]?

[cjbucks]

Yeah we need Borowski and his horrendous numbers this year.

 

We also need Marmol to pitch the 9th innings of games we lead by 3 or less. That way we could've lost today in the 6th or 7th rather than the 9th.

 

 

:D I was kidding Borowski was for the most part a bigger high wire act than Dempster and he was the closer on a team that almost made the world series

[ctcf]

Dempster, Howry......don't know why Hendry didn't get someone at the deadline. These two are unreliable late in games. Marmol should be the closer. Lou Piniella screwed up this game once again. I hope someone beats up Dempster after the game.

 

The fact that you actually made the "Season is already over" thread and yet still come back to make threads like this makes you possibly my favorite poster of all time.

 

I'm serious.

[Flames24Rulz]

Dempster's just been awful since he came off the DL. It's only a matter of time before Marmol becomes the closer. Right?

 

Wait isn't it [clever and witty]Dumpster[/clever and witty]?

 

I love being singled out when there were several other posters in the game thread that called him Dumpster as well.

[Electron Blue]

Dempster's just been awful since he came off the DL. It's only a matter of time before Marmol becomes the closer. Right?

 

Wait isn't it [clever and witty]Dumpster[/clever and witty]?

 

I love being singled out when there were several other posters in the game thread that called him Dumpster as well.

 

how are you being singled out? badger made a joke at the expense of the nickname, not you personally... he attacked the joke not the joker ;)

[soccer10k]

Dempsters done just fine for himself unless its against The Mets. Most pitchers have on or team that totally owns them, Demps just happens to be the Mets. He usually gets himself into jams and gets out of it. Marmol, however may be a bit more dominant as a closer.

 

If your going to ride someone out of town, let it be Ohman and his 50 foot curve ball.

 

Will Ohman splits:

 

vs righties: .304/.355/.464/.819

vs lefties: .224/.308/.379/.687

 

I'm assuming you still have Ohman's wonderful outing against the Phillies on Thursday fresh in your mind and that is why you want him gone. Here is who Ohman faced on Thursday:

 

C. Roberson - switch

A. Nunez - switch

C. Coste - righty

C. Ruiz - righty

J. Werth - righty

T. Iguchi - righty

J. Rollins - lefty

 

Now, if you bring in a lefty, you know that Roberson and Nunez are going to hit right handed, i.e. the type of hitters that Ohman struggles against. Now, I'm not taking all the blame off Ohman in that situation because he still allowed the hits but there is no reason that he should have been brought into the game in that situation. And that one is on Lou.

 

That being said, I don't like the idea of having a pitcher on the roster who specializes in getting guys out who bat from one side of the plate but struggles against guys who bat from the other side. It's just not worth it, IMO.