JJ batting average watch thread

[Alfonso Soriano]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

Jones hit 4th tonight..... Soriano hit leadoff.

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm hoping for the day that Jones and Izturis are out of here. Both are terrible.

[TruffleShuffle]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

funny how when murton can't hit for beans, everyone says it's because he's not getting regular playing time... when jones can't hit, it's because he flat-out sucks.

[YearofDaCubs]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

funny how when murton can't hit for beans, everyone says it's because he's not getting regular playing time... when jones can't hit, it's because he flat-out sucks.

Murton has sucked all year, I'm not going to deny that, but you know exactly what you are getting in Jones and that isn't much. His throws are all over the place, he can't hit lefties and he K's way too much. Granted, Murton drops easy balls in the OF but if I were to choose between the two I would pick Murton. I actually think Floyd is outplaying both of them right now and gives us the best chance to win. Someone also mentioned DeRosa in RF, that doesn't sound too bad either.

[Rob]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

funny how when murton can't hit for beans, everyone says it's because he's not getting regular playing time... when jones can't hit, it's because he flat-out sucks.

 

To be fair, Jones does have quite the history of suckitude, regardless of PT.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Now here's a lousy stretch of 30 games..............

 

Jones                 AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
06/11  vs. Houst       3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000
06/10  vs. Atla        2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000
06/09  vs. Atla        3    1    0    0    0    0    0    1    1    0  0.000  0.250  0.000  0.250  0.000
06/08  vs. Atla        5    0    2    0    0    0    2    0    0    1  0.400  0.400  0.400  0.800  0.500
06/06  vs. Milw        4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    1  0.000  0.200  0.000  0.200  0.000
06/05  vs. Milw        1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000
06/04  vs. Milw        4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000
06/03  vs. Atla        4    1    2    0    0    0    2    1    0    1  0.500  0.500  0.500  1.000  0.667
06/02  vs. Atla        3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    2  0.000  0.250  0.000  0.250  0.000
06/01  vs. Atla        3    1    1    0    0    1    4    1    1    1  0.333  0.500  1.333  1.833  0.000
05/30  vs. Flor        2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    0  0.000  0.333  0.000  0.333  0.000
05/28  vs. Flor        3    1    1    0    0    0    1    0    1    0  0.333  0.500  0.333  0.833  0.333
05/27  vs. L.A.        1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000
05/25  vs. L.A.        4    1    2    1    0    0    3    1    0    0  0.500  0.500  0.750  1.250  0.500
05/24  vs. S.D.        4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000
05/23  vs. S.D.        1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000
05/22  vs. S.D.        4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    1  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000  0.000

last 30 games         51    5    8    1    0    1   12    4    6    9  0.157  0.246  0.235  0.481  0.171

[abuck1220]

piniella seems to be sticking to the "if you play well, you'll get PT" theory (theriot, fontenot, pie), but he doesn't seem to abide by the "if you play like crap, you won't get PT" theory (jones, izturis). weird.

[TruffleShuffle]

piniella seems to be sticking to the "if you play well, you'll get PT" theory (theriot, fontenot, pie), but he doesn't seem to abide by the "if you play like crap, you won't get PT" theory (jones, izturis). weird.

 

except for pie, who played like crap his first time up and stopped getting PT

[CubmanPi]

Is there a quick way to look at starting lineups, preferably side by side, over a stretch of time?

[sunnydoo]

Is there a quick way to look at starting lineups, preferably side by side, over a stretch of time?

 

This post delivers:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2007_bo.shtml

[Tracer Bullet]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

funny how when murton can't hit for beans, everyone says it's because he's not getting regular playing time... when jones can't hit, it's because he flat-out sucks.

 

You know that's a BS comparison. Murton has 1 season in the majors and put up very solid numbers, especially his .365 OBP, which this team really needs. Oh, and he's young.

 

JJ has 7.5 seasons in the majors before this year and was really good like once, solid a couple times, and sucked a lot of the time.

 

And Murton's starts have been much more sporadic than JJ's. JJ has started regularly lately as Hendry is trying to show off the goods for sale. Unfortunately, by letting him play, his stock is only dropping.

[RynoRules]

Is there a quick way to look at starting lineups, preferably side by side, over a stretch of time?

 

This post delivers:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2007_bo.shtml

 

Are you Dick Gregory? I had no idea that you are Cubs fan.

[gflore34]

piniella seems to be sticking to the "if you play well, you'll get PT" theory (theriot, fontenot, pie), but he doesn't seem to abide by the "if you play like crap, you won't get PT" theory (jones, izturis). weird.

 

I believe with Floyd activated we'll soon see a platoon of him and Murton in RF - it makes the most sense.

Edited June 12, 2007 by gflore34

[NewUserName]

Maybe someone in the RF bleachers can start a Jock-o-Meter

[jjwalker48]

Under the who's not hot section at Chicagosports.com:

 

Jacque Jones is hitting .190 (20-for-105) since May 1 with two home runs and eight extra-base hits.

[UMFan83]

Jacque has been playing terribly, but he has hit a lot of hard balls lately. A lot of warning track outs (on hard hit balls), and plus the one last night where Lamb just robbed him. I'm not justifying his play because he has sucked, but I'd bet his BABIP is pretty low recently.

 

The reason why he is playing so much is because Lou hopes he gets hot enough to attract another team so he can be traded. Fair? no, but there is logic behind it.

[Derwood]

i don't care what his average is. i'm more concerned that his only value last year (27 HR) is almost completely gone

[Careless]

Jacque has been playing terribly, but he has hit a lot of hard balls lately. A lot of warning track outs (on hard hit balls), and plus the one last night where Lamb just robbed him. I'm not justifying his play because he has sucked, but I'd bet his BABIP is pretty low recently.

 

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as fred posted earlier, babip .171 in the last 30 games

[jersey cubs fan]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

funny how when murton can't hit for beans, everyone says it's because he's not getting regular playing time... when jones can't hit, it's because he flat-out sucks.

 

Funny how stupid that comparison is. Jacque plays all the time and sucks. Murton has stunk this year, but has 40% fewer chances. As brief as his career has been so far, he's already outperforming Jones.

[jjwalker48]

Yet Piniella batted him cleanup last night....

[BigbadB]

The reason why he is playing so much is because Lou hopes he gets hot enough to attract another team so he can be traded. Fair? no, but there is logic behind it.

 

What's a better trade off?

 

1) Keep sending the same hack out there and falling even further under .500 in hopes that the hack increases his trade value.

 

2) Eat the salary, dump the hack and put a better hitter in his spot in the order, increasing the chances of winning more games than you lose.

 

I've always been under the impression that baseball is played to win games, not to improve someone's trade value.

[Balsa]

Jacque has been playing terribly, but he has hit a lot of hard balls lately. A lot of warning track outs (on hard hit balls), and plus the one last night where Lamb just robbed him. I'm not justifying his play because he has sucked, but I'd bet his BABIP is pretty low recently.

 

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as fred posted earlier, babip .171 in the last 30 games

Last night he hit some absolute rockets, but all landed in gloves.

 

I hate seeing him on the team, but he does deserve better than his batting average suggests.

[Soriano12]

Just DFA his arse and move on Jim!

[TruffleShuffle]

Jacque has been playing terribly, but he has hit a lot of hard balls lately. A lot of warning track outs (on hard hit balls), and plus the one last night where Lamb just robbed him. I'm not justifying his play because he has sucked, but I'd bet his BABIP is pretty low recently.

 

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as fred posted earlier, babip .171 in the last 30 games

Last night he hit some absolute rockets, but all landed in gloves.

 

I hate seeing him on the team, but he does deserve better than his batting average suggests.

 

true, but that still doesn't explain his lack of power this year. Even with a higher BA he'd still have lousy production, especially for a corner OF, due to his poor power.