JJ batting average watch thread

[jmajew]

Jacque has been playing terribly, but he has hit a lot of hard balls lately. A lot of warning track outs (on hard hit balls), and plus the one last night where Lamb just robbed him. I'm not justifying his play because he has sucked, but I'd bet his BABIP is pretty low recently.

 

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as fred posted earlier, babip .171 in the last 30 games

 

If that is the case you have to expect that things will turn around. It is veyr unlikely that his babip will stay there. Jones will still not be a good fit now with Floyd and Murton back and healty. But you have to agree his luck is just terrible. He needs to go to a place like SD or LAA, basically anywehre on the west coast so he is far from the Cubs.

[MustangMike]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

 

that's ok, he'll start again tonight

[Fred Hornkohl]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

 

that's ok, he'll start again tonight

 

Jones has started 13 of the 15 games where the opposing starter was a lefty. Unfortunately, he'll probably start again tonight.

[Soriano12]

I'm not as high on Murton as others, but starting Jones over Murton vs a lefty is basically forfeiting a spot in the lineup.

 

If anything at least Murton should see some more pitches from Washburn, while Jones will look like me in the fast pitch batting cage on a Saturday night.

Edited June 12, 2007 by Soriano12

[Lockes Eye Scar]

I'm predicting a Matt Murton start tonight. He'll go 1-3 with a walk, but make a bad defensive play and everyone will call for his head.

[CubColtPacer]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

 

that's ok, he'll start again tonight

 

Jones has started 13 of the 15 games where the opposing starter was a lefty. Unfortunately, he'll probably start again tonight.

 

That cannot be right Fred. In fact, I just looked it up, and it's the opposite.

Jones has only started 2 times out of the 15 games that the Cubs have had against left-handers. One was the time in May where Jones started against a left-hander and the next day Pagan came up to start against the next one, and the other time was last week when Floyd and Murton were both hurt.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Hasn't gotten a hit in 3 straight games.

He is currently hitting .230 and he hit in the leadoff spot tonight.

 

 

that's ok, he'll start again tonight

 

Jones has started 13 of the 15 games where the opposing starter was a lefty. Unfortunately, he'll probably start again tonight.

 

That cannot be right Fred. In fact, I just looked it up, and it's the opposite.

Jones has only started 2 times out of the 15 games that the Cubs have had against left-handers. One was the time in May where Jones started against a left-hander and the next day Pagan came up to start against the next one, and the other time was last week when Floyd and Murton were both hurt.

 

You're absolutely right. He's started once in CF and once in RF. Now I gotta find out why my database is screwing up. Oh boy !!

 

edit: found the glitch !!

 

Starts in CF against lefties.......

 

Jones        1
Soriano      1
Pie          3
Pagan       10

 

Starts in RF agains lefties.......

 

DeRosa       1
Jones        1
Pagan       12
Theriot      1

Edited June 12, 2007 by Fred Hornkohl

[Amazing_Grace]

The reason why he is playing so much is because Lou hopes he gets hot enough to attract another team so he can be traded. Fair? no, but there is logic behind it.

 

What's a better trade off?

 

1) Keep sending the same hack out there and falling even further under .500 in hopes that the hack increases his trade value.

 

2) Eat the salary, dump the hack and put a better hitter in his spot in the order, increasing the chances of winning more games than you lose.

 

I've always been under the impression that baseball is played to win games, not to improve someone's trade value.

 

This is correct. Hendry screwed the pooch when he failed to deal Jones this offseason because he wanted more than others were offering and was (stupidly) afraid of not having enough LH bats in the lineup. It's time to cut the crap. These kinds of decisions are what distinguishes teams that really want to win from teams that just talk about wanting to win. It's time to get Jones out of the lineup. Whether Lou does it or Hendry does it, someone needs to get Jones out of this lineup.

[jersey cubs fan]

This is correct. Hendry screwed the pooch when he failed to deal Jones this offseason because he wanted more than others were offering and was (stupidly) afraid of not having enough LH bats in the lineup.

 

He screwed the pooch when he signed him in the first place. And the year before when he settled into a Hollandsworth/Dubois, Patterson, Burnitz OF which was destined to fail and force him into overpaying for a hack like Jones in 2006.

[BigbadB]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

[Amazing_Grace]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

 

Also true. He's failed so many times in so many ways it's become hard to keep track of them all. There was also the Pierre trade....

 

EDIT: And does anyone else think like I do, that all that complaining about playing time we heard about in the media was mostly Jones.

[Soriano12]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

 

To be fair, as I have stated in other threads, I don't think he was given the necessary resources by our buddy Andy.

[CubColtPacer]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

 

I agree with the other names (especially Guerrero and Beltran) but Magglio Ordonez? 7 years, over 100 million dollars, and he put these 2 lines up his first two years in Detroit:

 

.302/.359/.436 (in only 82 games)

.298/.350/.477

 

He wouldn't have been able to put up his monster season that he is this year in Chicago, because people would have wanted him traded already for making that much money for that little production. In fact, Burnitz's 2005 and Jones's 2006 are roughly comparable to Magglio's first 2 years, and they cost 20 million dollars less over that time. Magglio is also 33 with injury problems, and so the later years of that deal will not be pretty.

 

So Vladimir and Beltran-yes, the Cubs should have gone after one of those. Magglio? It would have been a terrible signing, amazing year he's having so far this year or not.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

EDIT: And does anyone else think like I do, that all that complaining about playing time we heard about in the media was mostly Jones.

 

Yes, and a little bit of Floyd. Cliff went public with expectations of playing more, although I don't think he's being a real complainer. Jacque has whined since day 1 about how he's been treated, regardless of the fact that he hasn't produced, 27 HR last year or not.

[TruffleShuffle]

 

EDIT: And does anyone else think like I do, that all that complaining about playing time we heard about in the media was mostly Jones.

 

Yes, and a little bit of Floyd. Cliff went public with expectations of playing more, although I don't think he's being a real complainer. Jacque has whined since day 1 about how he's been treated, regardless of the fact that he hasn't produced, 27 HR last year or not.

 

last year he produced fine.... this year he's been a complete joke.

[sunnydoo]

I'm predicting a Matt Murton start tonight. He'll go 1-3 with a walk, but make a bad defensive play and everyone will call for his head.

 

In fairness, you forgot his bad baserunning play after that walk when he will get thrown out trying to get to 3b on a ground ball.

 

Everyone will positively comment on his "hustle" factor and his aggressivenes on the basepaths in trying to stretch it from 1st to 3b and conclude we need to see more of this to help MM build up his power factor.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

EDIT: And does anyone else think like I do, that all that complaining about playing time we heard about in the media was mostly Jones.

 

Yes, and a little bit of Floyd. Cliff went public with expectations of playing more, although I don't think he's being a real complainer. Jacque has whined since day 1 about how he's been treated, regardless of the fact that he hasn't produced, 27 HR last year or not.

 

last year he produced fine.... this year he's been a complete joke.

 

But he whined from day 1, when he wasn't producing. When you combine his .334 OBP, awful baserunning and non-existent throwing arm, his 27 HR stop looking so fine.

[TruffleShuffle]

But he whined from day 1, when he wasn't producing. When you combine his .334 OBP, awful baserunning and non-existent throwing arm, his 27 HR stop looking so fine.

 

I'm not saying he was an all-star last year, but his VORP was not far from guys like Magglio Ordonez and Moises Alou. For the price, he performed well. This year he's earned everything that's come to him, including the booing and the decreased playing time.

[soapy]

 

EDIT: And does anyone else think like I do, that all that complaining about playing time we heard about in the media was mostly Jones.

 

I do think it was Jones. I was thinking about that last night and it seems like he's started basically every game since that "meeting". I don't know if that's true or just perception tho.

 

I look for Fred to confirm/deny this in 3...2...1...

[BigbadB]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

 

I agree with the other names (especially Guerrero and Beltran) but Magglio Ordonez? 7 years, over 100 million dollars, and he put these 2 lines up his first two years in Detroit:

 

.302/.359/.436 (in only 82 games)

.298/.350/.477

 

He wouldn't have been able to put up his monster season that he is this year in Chicago, because people would have wanted him traded already for making that much money for that little production. In fact, Burnitz's 2005 and Jones's 2006 are roughly comparable to Magglio's first 2 years, and they cost 20 million dollars less over that time. Magglio is also 33 with injury problems, and so the later years of that deal will not be pretty.

 

So Vladimir and Beltran-yes, the Cubs should have gone after one of those. Magglio? It would have been a terrible signing, amazing year he's having so far this year or not.

 

Who is to say that the Cubs would have been forced to give Maggs a 7/100m contract? From what I recall, he was going to give a significant discount to the Cubs if he didn't have to move out of Chicago. Detroit was overpaying for everyone at that time. They paid ridiculously for Pudge, Vina, Percival and Urbina, also. Detroit entered the Maggs sweepstakes quite late, IIRC. If the Cubs were interested, they could have potentially landed Maggs at a much shorter term on the contract and significantly less money.

 

And another IIRC, wasn't Maggs' injury in 2005 unrelated to the injury troubles he had in 2004? Could that injury have just been a fluke injury that he may not have suffered if he was wearing a Cub uniform that year?

 

Well, considering the incredible injury history with anything Cubs, that last paragraph is kind of funny. But, you probably understand my point.

 

Maggs wasn't signed until February 7th.

[NCCubFan]

 

EDIT: And does anyone else think like I do, that all that complaining about playing time we heard about in the media was mostly Jones.

 

Yes, and a little bit of Floyd. Cliff went public with expectations of playing more, although I don't think he's being a real complainer. Jacque has whined since day 1 about how he's been treated, regardless of the fact that he hasn't produced, 27 HR last year or not.

 

last year he produced fine.... this year he's been a complete joke.

Joke Jones.

[Balsa]

Joke Jones.

Winnar.

[Soul]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

 

Hell, even Ryan Church: .270 .367 .465

 

OPS+: 125.

[CubColtPacer]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

 

Hell, even Ryan Church: .270 .367 .465

 

OPS+: 125.

 

Hendry tried to get Church though.

[Soul]

he screwed the pooch when he failed to show any interest in guys like:

 

Magglio Ordonez

Carlos Beltran

Vladmir Guerrero

Miguel Tejada

 

Hell, even Ryan Church: .270 .367 .465

 

OPS+: 125.

 

Hendry tried to get Church though.

 

Was that really Hendry trying, or was it just the media and us wishing?