More Domestic Violence Mayhem

[sunnydoo]

In the Julio Lugo category, Rick Dempsey looked to have dirtbag of the week sewed up tight. However, Alberto Callapso of the Dbacks got popped last nite for domestic abuse, criminal damage, and assault.

 

Following the earlier Julio Mateo and Dempsey incident this year and Lugo's several years back among others, when is baseball going to wise up and realize they have a problem in this area? Is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed for a Goodell type intervention to take place?

 

Seriously- sending them to the minor leagues really doesnt address the problem (in wonderful logic Mateo was actually suspended 10 games for missing the game, not the actual incident). Baseball needs to realize they have a problem and get these guys some serious type counseling and suspend them indefinitely until it happens.

 

And whatever happened to our society? Why is it OK for men to hit women now? I know, i know- rap music glorifies it and dehumanizes women. just totally ridiculous and uncool imo.

[imb]

rap music makes men beat their wives? That's pretty stupid, what about all those rednecks that do it? They sure aren't listening to fresh jams 105.3 or whatever

[CubColtPacer]

I believe domestic violence has always been a problem. It's simply that awareness has been lifted considerably, and so many more women feel safe enough to report it, which is quite a good step.

[Backtobanks]

In the Julio Lugo category, Rick Dempsey looked to have dirtbag of the week sewed up tight. However, Alberto Callapso of the Dbacks got popped last nite for domestic abuse, criminal damage, and assault.

 

Following the earlier Julio Mateo and Dempsey incident this year and Lugo's several years back among others, when is baseball going to wise up and realize they have a problem in this area? Is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed for a Goodell type intervention to take place?

 

Seriously- sending them to the minor leagues really doesnt address the problem (in wonderful logic Mateo was actually suspended 10 games for missing the game, not the actual incident). Baseball needs to realize they have a problem and get these guys some serious type counseling and suspend them indefinitely until it happens.

 

And whatever happened to our society? Why is it OK for men to hit women now? I know, i know- rap music glorifies it and dehumanizes women. just totally ridiculous and uncool imo.

 

When you combine a bigger-than-life ego and alcohol (or drugs), you are going to have a combustible situation.

[Jehrico]

In the Julio Lugo category, Rick Dempsey looked to have dirtbag of the week sewed up tight. However, Alberto Callapso of the Dbacks got popped last nite for domestic abuse, criminal damage, and assault.

 

Following the earlier Julio Mateo and Dempsey incident this year and Lugo's several years back among others, when is baseball going to wise up and realize they have a problem in this area? Is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed for a Goodell type intervention to take place?

 

Seriously- sending them to the minor leagues really doesnt address the problem (in wonderful logic Mateo was actually suspended 10 games for missing the game, not the actual incident). Baseball needs to realize they have a problem and get these guys some serious type counseling and suspend them indefinitely until it happens.

 

And whatever happened to our society? Why is it OK for men to hit women now? I know, i know- rap music glorifies it and dehumanizes women. just totally ridiculous and uncool imo.

I don't understand why this needs the commissioner to intervene. This isn't a baseball problem, it's a societal problem. I don't think baseball's rate of problems is higher than any general cross section of society. I bet it's actually a bit lower. You've had a few incidents pop up in short order, but there really haven't been very many in baseball the last several years. You'll find your share of scumbags in every niche of society. Does the commissioner need to hammer down everytime a couple of idiots get in trouble? No. The answer should be that their employers cut ties with them if they're found guilty (and yes, there are some women out there who claim abuse just to get some men in trouble, so you should reserve judgement until the final report is out). If the owners didn't hesitiate to cut bait with guys like these, that would be message enough.

 

I really don't understand where you are getting whatever it is that is behind your last paragraph. No one has ever said it's okay to hit women like you said. You're making rap music a scape goat. The problem is we have too many people having kids who aren't fit to be parents and they don't teach their children any values. As always, I blame the baby boomers. :wink:

[C.C.]

In the Julio Lugo category, Rick Dempsey looked to have dirtbag of the week sewed up tight. However, Alberto Callapso of the Dbacks got popped last nite for domestic abuse, criminal damage, and assault.

 

Following the earlier Julio Mateo and Dempsey incident this year and Lugo's several years back among others, when is baseball going to wise up and realize they have a problem in this area? Is it going to take someone getting seriously hurt or killed for a Goodell type intervention to take place?

 

Seriously- sending them to the minor leagues really doesnt address the problem (in wonderful logic Mateo was actually suspended 10 games for missing the game, not the actual incident). Baseball needs to realize they have a problem and get these guys some serious type counseling and suspend them indefinitely until it happens.

 

And whatever happened to our society? Why is it OK for men to hit women now? I know, i know- rap music glorifies it and dehumanizes women. just totally ridiculous and uncool imo.

 

What? Rap? When didn't men hit women? This isn't anything new...

[Derwood]

men have been hitting women since caveman days

[Warpticon]

I wish people who don't know anything about rap music would shut up about it.

[jersey cubs fan]

The kids, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage, with the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', so they don't know what the jazz, is all about! You see, jazz is like Jell-O pudding pops. No, actually it's more like Kodak film-no, actually jazz is like the New Coke. It'll be around forever. Heh, heh, heh.

[XZero771679666304]

I believe domestic violence has always been a problem. It's simply that awareness has been lifted considerably, and so many more women feel safe enough to report it, which is quite a good step.

 

Exactly. Like sexual abuse, domestic violence is likely no worse than it has ever been, but we are just far more aware of it.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs have banned beating women in the clubhouse.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs have banned beating women in the clubhouse.

 

Not true. They've only banned it on inbound flights.

[circlecitycub]

The Cubs have banned beating women in the clubhouse.

 

But tapping them at the club remains OK.

[TruffleShuffle]

in most baseball player cases, it's probably roid rage

[swordsman]

in most baseball player cases, it's probably roid rage

 

My 'roids are pretty annoying too, but a little Preparation H and it's much better. Nothin' to "rage" about.

[RegulusBlue]

rap music makes men beat their wives? That's pretty stupid, what about all those rednecks that do it? They sure aren't listening to fresh jams 105.3 or whatever

 

This is irrelevant. Nobody should make this a class or race war, which is inevitably where this is going.

 

Let's just talk about men beating their wives. (First time I've ever said that.)

[TruffleShuffle]

rap music makes men beat their wives? That's pretty stupid, what about all those rednecks that do it? They sure aren't listening to fresh jams 105.3 or whatever

 

This is irrelevant. Nobody should make this a class or race war, which is inevitably where this is going.

 

Let's just talk about men beating their wives. (First time I've ever said that.)

 

or in the case of chuck finley, wives beating their husbands

[SaorsaDaonnan]

I don't understand why this needs the commissioner to intervene. This isn't a baseball problem, it's a societal problem. I don't think baseball's rate of problems is higher than any general cross section of society. I bet it's actually a bit lower. You've had a few incidents pop up in short order, but there really haven't been very many in baseball the last several years. You'll find your share of scumbags in every niche of society. Does the commissioner need to hammer down everytime a couple of idiots get in trouble? No. The answer should be that their employers cut ties with them if they're found guilty (and yes, there are some women out there who claim abuse just to get some men in trouble, so you should reserve judgement until the final report is out). If the owners didn't hesitiate to cut bait with guys like these, that would be message enough.

 

 

Broadly speaking, I think you're on target. MLB isn't in a position to control these things, and as a business organization it is certainly not the appropriate authority to deal with issues of criminal punishment or rehabilitation. Those matters are the exclusive province of the law.

 

However, although I do not support direct involvement on the part of baseball operations groups, I nevertheless feel that baseball ought to take steps to ensure that each team does what it can to ensure that no incidents occur on team property or in the prescence of team officials. Perhaps coaches, players, and other baseball employees could be made into"mandated reporters" in the same way that other professionals are required to report other unethical behaviors. It might be advisable to institute a rule immediately banning any player convicted of domestic violence from paid positions in the sport. Decisions-at-the-commissioner's-discretion, however, strike me as unfairly ad hoc, so I must oppose them.

 

To summarize, MLB should not attempt to oversee or manage a player's counciling, nor attempt to supplement punishment doled out by the law. MLB should, however, do everything it can to report possible wrongdoing and do everything it can to support the process of rehabilitation for any player it does not decide to terminate.

[SaorsaDaonnan]

A few clarifications:

 

 

1) I said that baseball should consider instituting a league-wide rule immediately banning anyone convicted of domestic violence. I need to add that this should be considered only if convictions for domestic violence are generally acceptable grounds for dismissal. If this proposal is at variance with the laws that govern employee rights, forget that I mentioned it. (We might still argue that the law should be changed, of course. But whatever the law is, baseball can't try to make an exception of itself)

 

 

2) To be a little clearer than I was above: baseball should not run player counciling organizations; these matters should be left to professionals. However, MLB could require attendance of counciling sessions over and above those required by the law, as a precondition for readmittance to the league. Any sessions would have to be run by qualified authorities, not just people MLB hires from wherever. It might also be acceptable for baseball to make sure that players from foreign countries have a unit on domestic violence laws (and MLB regulations), given that domestic violence laws are very unevenly enforced in many foreign countries. (Not that we do a particularly good job of it here in the states...)

 

3) No clue where the union would fall on all of this. I can imagine it dragging it's heals on the mandated reporter thing, but I have a hard time imagining that MLBPA leaders want to have their names and photos in the newspaper as trying to protect domestic abusers.

[Amazing_Grace]

human beings have been hitting each other since caveman days

 

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[Guest]

The kids, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage, with the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin', so they don't know what the jazz, is all about! You see, jazz is like Jell-O pudding pops. No, actually it's more like Kodak film-no, actually jazz is like the New Coke. It'll be around forever. Heh, heh, heh.

 

YES!

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D82IiCj5QgE

[Roast]

I wish people who don't know anything about rap music would shut up about it.

 

 

Its really aggravating how this whole "rap music is to blame" bullcrap is coming to the forefront again.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Hitler was really into 2 Live Crew.

[SouthSideRyan]

I wish people who don't know anything about rap music would shut up about it.

 

 

Its really aggravating how this whole "rap music is to blame" bullcrap is coming to the forefront again.

 

It's really aggravating how you've annointed yourself the spokesman for rap music.

[CubinNY]

I wish people who don't know anything about rap music would shut up about it.

 

 

Its really aggravating how this whole "rap music is to blame" bullcrap is coming to the forefront again.

 

I agree, but at least the discussion needs to occur. Is music/vedio games a cause or an effect?

 

I think music is reflection of a culture not the cause of the culture's ills. Mysoginy is part of our culture and has been for a long time.