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2007 NFL Draft

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There's no way Ted Thompson expected Brady Quinn to be here now. That's got to be throwing a bit of a wrench into the works. I think he thought Lynch would still be around, too.
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He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

 

Are you serious? He was a big, strong quarterback with a huge arm that played at a big-time SEC school since his freshman year. He was no one's No. 1 pick at the beginning of the year, but guess who was? Brady Quinn. Draft boards in August mean nothing.

 

Quinn was the top pick in the draft up until the Sugar Bowl. Nobody though he would get past the Raiders at #1 or #2 (since at the time the Raiders and Lions were tied for the worst record).

 

Have you been following the discussion at all? He said that Russell was "literally nowhere" before the sugar bowl. Saying that Quinn was No. 1 then means nothing.

 

You guys need to face facts, people who follow college football and draft prospects have known about Russell for a long time now.

 

Obviously people who follow college football knew about him - he went to LS-freaking-U. Of course people are going to know about him. What are you going to tell me next, they knew about Brady Quinn too?

 

Yes I've been following the discussion hence the reason I'm posting. Soul was obviously exaggerating when he said that Russell was "literally nowhere". I don't think Russell was a first round pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And if saying Quinn was #1 before the Sugar Bowl means nothing is absolutely absurd. You're the one bringing up what scouts thought of Russell for the past few years.

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John Navarre was a big, strong QB with a huge arm that played at a big school, too. That means nothing in terms of whether the guy is a "Big Time" prospect.

 

Manning? Vick? These guys were big-time prospects for years & years before they were drafted. That's my idea of a big-time prospect. Russell wasn't close to that level, and honestly? He still isn't.

 

Can we agree to stop arguing this? I'm not going to come over to your side, I think you're dead wrong and that's not going to change.

 

There is a HUGE difference between Russell and Navarre, to even use him as any sort of comparison to Russell is ridiculous. You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper here.

 

You're right that Russell wasn't a No. 1 guy before the Sugar Bowl. But he was leagues ahead of "literally nowhere".

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Timmons could be fantastic, but I think he was a reach @ 15...

 

 

Actually, I was kinda hoping he'd still be there for the Bears :)

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Obviously people who follow college football knew about him - he went to LS-freaking-U. Of course people are going to know about him. What are you going to tell me next, they knew about Brady Quinn too?

 

Yes I've been following the discussion hence the reason I'm posting. Soul was obviously exaggerating when he said that Russell was "literally nowhere". I don't think Russell was a first round pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And if saying Quinn was #1 before the Sugar Bowl means nothing is absolutely absurd. You're the one bringing up what scouts thought of Russell for the past few years.

 

You aren't following. I'm saying they knew of his as a big-time draft prospect. Which you apparently didn't.

 

How can you exaggerate and use the word literally in a sentence. Think about that for a minute.

 

Quinn being No. 1 before the draft proves that pre-work out draft boards are meaningless. Because Russell wasn't on them at some arbitrary point during the season doesn't mean that scouts were sleeping on him and he just skyrocketed out of nowhere.

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John Navarre was a big, strong QB with a huge arm that played at a big school, too. That means nothing in terms of whether the guy is a "Big Time" prospect.

 

Manning? Vick? These guys were big-time prospects for years & years before they were drafted. That's my idea of a big-time prospect. Russell wasn't close to that level, and honestly? He still isn't.

 

Can we agree to stop arguing this? I'm not going to come over to your side, I think you're dead wrong and that's not going to change.

 

There is a HUGE difference between Russell and Navarre, to even use him as any sort of comparison to Russell is ridiculous. You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper here.

 

You're right that Russell wasn't a No. 1 guy before the Sugar Bowl. But he was leagues ahead of "literally nowhere".

 

Well, you're the one who said Russell was "big time" because he's strong and has a huge arm, not me. But whatever.

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If Quinn falls all the way to the Bears, could they trade out of the first round to let Cleveland or Detroit get him?
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Obviously people who follow college football knew about him - he went to LS-freaking-U. Of course people are going to know about him. What are you going to tell me next, they knew about Brady Quinn too?

 

Yes I've been following the discussion hence the reason I'm posting. Soul was obviously exaggerating when he said that Russell was "literally nowhere". I don't think Russell was a first round pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And if saying Quinn was #1 before the Sugar Bowl means nothing is absolutely absurd. You're the one bringing up what scouts thought of Russell for the past few years.

 

You aren't following. I'm saying they knew of his as a big-time draft prospect. Which you apparently didn't.

 

How can you exaggerate and use the word literally in a sentence. Think about that for a minute.

 

Quinn being No. 1 before the draft proves that pre-work out draft boards are meaningless. Because Russell wasn't on them at some arbitrary point during the season doesn't mean that scouts were sleeping on him and he just skyrocketed out of nowhere.

 

Exactly.

 

Soul, I can't believe you compared Navarre to JMR.

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imb

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John Navarre was a big, strong QB with a huge arm that played at a big school, too. That means nothing in terms of whether the guy is a "Big Time" prospect.

 

Manning? Vick? These guys were big-time prospects for years & years before they were drafted. That's my idea of a big-time prospect. Russell wasn't close to that level, and honestly? He still isn't.

 

Can we agree to stop arguing this? I'm not going to come over to your side, I think you're dead wrong and that's not going to change.

 

There is a HUGE difference between Russell and Navarre, to even use him as any sort of comparison to Russell is ridiculous. You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper here.

 

You're right that Russell wasn't a No. 1 guy before the Sugar Bowl. But he was leagues ahead of "literally nowhere".

 

Well, you're the one who said Russell was "big time" because he's strong and has a huge arm, not me. But whatever.

 

You really think that "strong with a huge arm" was the entire scouting report that people had on him going into his first draft eligible year? Come on.

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It would be great if Quinn doesn't get picked in the first round. It's looking like NFL teams realize he is just a fraud.
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If the Pack or Jags don't take Quinn, I think the Cowboys will.

 

I think it's all a ploy to get someone to trade up with us, I really don't see Jerry taking him. He seems really committed to Romo.

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John Navarre was a big, strong QB with a huge arm that played at a big school, too. That means nothing in terms of whether the guy is a "Big Time" prospect.

 

Manning? Vick? These guys were big-time prospects for years & years before they were drafted. That's my idea of a big-time prospect. Russell wasn't close to that level, and honestly? He still isn't.

 

Can we agree to stop arguing this? I'm not going to come over to your side, I think you're dead wrong and that's not going to change.

 

There is a HUGE difference between Russell and Navarre, to even use him as any sort of comparison to Russell is ridiculous. You're just digging yourself deeper and deeper here.

 

You're right that Russell wasn't a No. 1 guy before the Sugar Bowl. But he was leagues ahead of "literally nowhere".

 

Russell was a beneficary of the hype machine

 

I'll be surprised if he lives up to expectations.

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