2007 NFL Draft

[texascub]

Jacksonville trades down with Denver.

[jaydee]

brady quinn dropping? time to bash rex grossman! great job espn you never cease to amaze in your total worthlessness and lack of intelligence. as if brady quinn can step in and do better than grossman, quinn cant even have a good game against any better than average college d :roll: Edited April 28, 2007 by jaydee

[Soul]

Hmmmm.....Denver moves up.

[ChiCubsFan]

Wouldn't Jacksonville be a prime candidate to trade down now? From what I can gather, they need help on the O-Line and LB, but anyone from those spots right now would be a reach.

 

Good call.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Russell has done a whole lot more on the field, against much tougher opponents.

 

And how much of that was due to the talent at LSU? I'm guessing a lot. I'm not saying Russell would have been trash otherwise but he wouldn't be anywhere near the prospect he is if he switched spots with Quinn. The talent at LSU was miles ahead of the talent at Notre Dame the last couple years.

 

Umm, we're comparing JMR to John Navarre of an equally talented Michigan teams. Not talking about ND here.

Edited April 28, 2007 by CaliforniaRaisin

[texascub]

I wonder if they take Jarvis Moss here?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Pack or Jags don't take Quinn, I think the Cowboys will.

 

I think it's all a ploy to get someone to trade up with us, I really don't see Jerry taking him. He seems really committed to Romo.

 

Roy Phillpot of the Ranch Report says that he thinks Dallas will take Quinn if he's there.

[Soul]

Young is being an idiot.

 

 

not really. I think his point was the packers need more help on O then they do on D, not jsut making favre happy..

 

Do they though? I thought they were ranked #9 on O.

 

well, look who they lost....Green and Henderson and Walker

 

I suppose. Do you think Green was really all that valuable still? I think Walker was gone most/all of last year so they made #9 without him. Henderson----he was good but replaceable, IMO.

 

I'm not totally disagreeing with the pick. They'll have 2 good DTs if he works out.

[reggiemiller rules]

I wonder if they take Jarvis Moss here?

 

I think they would take Spencer or Branch here before Moss.

[Flames24Rulz]

That's a pathetic pick.

 

I like Harrell as a prospect. Woulda gone higher if he wasn't hurt.

 

Well, like I said, I really believe that if Thompson took Meacham or Bowe, we would not be getting Moss. A front four of Jenkins-Pickett-Harrell-Kampman does sound pretty good. I like the idea of making our defense tougher, but I don't think we'll come around a QB of Quinn's caliber for quite some time now.

[ChiCubsFan]

It would be incredibily dumb for Denver to select a WR.

[texascub]

1st, 3rd, and 6th is what the Broncos give up to move up.

[RynoRules]

I like Quinn more than Russell from the standpoint that he clearly did well with far less talent around him, and QBs tend to get too much of credit and too much of the blame and in a game as team-oriented as football.

 

Denver just traded up to the Jags spot.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Wow, Jacksonville got a good deal there.

[imb]

The problem is, if you're just casually looking at draft boards during the year, you wouldn't see Russell's name on it, because he was a junior. If you actually followed draft prospects, outside of a monthly glance at Mel Kiper's big board, you knew Russell was a guy with a shot to shoot up the charts if he declared.

[sherwood921]

Wow...Broncos gave up a lot right there to move up 4 spots, they've got to have someone in mind here.

[texascub]

Moss is the pick.

[jaydee]

well IMO the two best players in the draft went to NFC north teams. not good for the bears

[soccer10k]

 

Obviously people who follow college football knew about him - he went to LS-freaking-U. Of course people are going to know about him. What are you going to tell me next, they knew about Brady Quinn too?

 

Yes I've been following the discussion hence the reason I'm posting. Soul was obviously exaggerating when he said that Russell was "literally nowhere". I don't think Russell was a first round pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And if saying Quinn was #1 before the Sugar Bowl means nothing is absolutely absurd. You're the one bringing up what scouts thought of Russell for the past few years.

 

You aren't following. I'm saying they knew of his as a big-time draft prospect. Which you apparently didn't.

 

How can you exaggerate and use the word literally in a sentence. Think about that for a minute.

 

Quinn being No. 1 before the draft proves that pre-work out draft boards are meaningless. Because Russell wasn't on them at some arbitrary point during the season doesn't mean that scouts were sleeping on him and he just skyrocketed out of nowhere.

 

I knew about Russell as a solid prospect. He was not a "big time prospect" which I would define as a top 10 or 15 pick i.e. a sure first rounder. He didn't get close to that level until the Sugar Bowl.

 

And if pre-work out draft boards are meaningless then what does that say about what people thought about his pro prospects coming out of high school - which you brought into the discussion to defend Russell? Wouldn't those be even more meaningless?

 

You're really reaching here. Pre workout draft boards are meaningless because they fluctuate so much from that time until draft day. Keeping up with who has pro potential coming out of high school is an important part of team's scouting. There's no connection.

 

How am I reaching? If draft boards measuring a player's pro potential before their workout is meaningless, so should every other draft board before the pre draft workout.

[RynoRules]

Damn - I was hoping that Moss would fall to the Bears.

[Jazz]

Moss...hmm i didnt think we needed to move up for him. Fills a need though.

[reggiemiller rules]

I wonder if they take Jarvis Moss here?

 

I think they would take Spencer or Branch here before Moss.

 

Well it looks like I dont know what I am talking about.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Young is being an idiot.

 

 

not really. I think his point was the packers need more help on O then they do on D, not jsut making favre happy..

 

Do they though? I thought they were ranked #9 on O.

 

well, look who they lost....Green and Henderson and Walker

 

I suppose. Do you think Green was really all that valuable still? I think Walker was gone most/all of last year so they made #9 without him. Henderson----he was good but replaceable, IMO.

 

I'm not totally disagreeing with the pick. They'll have 2 good DTs if he works out.

 

Walker and Green havent been replaced-arguably. Driver had a good season, but I wouldnt be too excited about Favres supporting cast if I were a packerbacker...

[Brian]

unless someone trades in before 31, i think Quinn will be there :shock:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

Obviously people who follow college football knew about him - he went to LS-freaking-U. Of course people are going to know about him. What are you going to tell me next, they knew about Brady Quinn too?

 

Yes I've been following the discussion hence the reason I'm posting. Soul was obviously exaggerating when he said that Russell was "literally nowhere". I don't think Russell was a first round pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And if saying Quinn was #1 before the Sugar Bowl means nothing is absolutely absurd. You're the one bringing up what scouts thought of Russell for the past few years.

 

You aren't following. I'm saying they knew of his as a big-time draft prospect. Which you apparently didn't.

 

How can you exaggerate and use the word literally in a sentence. Think about that for a minute.

 

Quinn being No. 1 before the draft proves that pre-work out draft boards are meaningless. Because Russell wasn't on them at some arbitrary point during the season doesn't mean that scouts were sleeping on him and he just skyrocketed out of nowhere.

 

Exactly.

 

Soul, I can't believe you compared Navarre to JMR.

 

I made the comparison because IMB based his big-time status on those physical attributes. So what? Make a better argument next time for why Russell's a big-time prospect.

 

Russell has done a whole lot more on the field, against much tougher opponents.

 

JMR was on scouts' radars before this season - he was earmarked as a likely first rounder all season.

 

Oh, and for the record, I think Quinn will have a better NFL career and I would have taken Calvin Johnson with the first pick overall. But, JMR didn't just come out of nowhere because of the Sugar Bowl (and he didn't need the workouts to become the top overall pick as you said earlier).

 

Alright. That's why I asked for a definition of big time prospect. To me, players drafted late in the 1st round are generally not big time prospects.

 

And BTW, there's always many more than 32 players who are considered "1st round picks" each year by someone or another. So that just doesn't have a lot of meaning for me.

 

Here's the problem - and the thing IMB! has been harking on for a while now and you just touched on it - it's too early before January. JMR was definitely on the scouts' radars and didn't come from nowhere. By the time the Sugar Bowl had come around, he had definitely become a first round pick...he was still below Quinn, but it wasn't a surprise that he was there.

 

In terms of a "big time prospect" (pretty tough to define), I think a potential first rounder with the skill set of JMR has to be considered a big time prospect because those skills can easily help him move up a lot.