2007 NFL Draft

[texascub]

Love the Joe Thomas fishing footage. :lol:

 

I'd love to be out there with him, that looks like a boatload of fun.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In defense of some of the other guys, I got an email from a friend in Dallas that says with Quinn falling the Cowboys are looking hard at trying to get him. Jones believes the team doesn't have any immediate needs that have to be addressed. They like their receivers, though would like to get younger there. They addressed O-line with signing Davis and safety by signing Hamlin. If they think they can get Quinn, they will.

 

I'd much rather trade out of that spot if Quinn is still there, I would be pretty pissed if he's the pick. We really don't need a QB controversy with Romo and Quinn.

 

Personally, I'd like them to take Quinn if he falls that far, which I doubt he will.

 

The Cowboys without any immediate need could add a player of value. Romo would be the starter, but the Cowboys would have insurance if Romo falls back to earth. With Johnson on the roster, nothing would be expected of Quinn this year.

[Soul]

Oh, and with deference to vance, Russell became the #1 pick on the basis of a workout. How'd that work out for Kyle Boller?

 

I think Quinn's the best QB in this draft. I don't care what kind of arm strength Russell has or how he looked in his personal workout in shorts and a t-shirt. Big deal. Nobody even knew who that guy was until the bowl season his last year in college. He's been a shooting star, but that's only because he was literally nowhere until his last couple games.

 

The Raiders couldn't deveop a QB to save their lives anyway. Quinn will most certainly be the more successful NFL QB.

 

You must not pay much attention to college football, Russell has been on people's radars since his freshman year.

 

Not anywhere near where he went. Not even close to that level.

 

Read what you wrote again, please. You said he was "literally nowhere" until his last couple games, which is completely untrue. I don't even know where you pulled that from, unless you just like playing expert.

 

What you said was completely false.

 

He was nowhere in terms of top 10. If you think he would have gone top 10 without the Sugar Bowl and his workout, you are sorely mistaken.

 

What the hell? He was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl. There's a reason the Sugar Bowl was looked at as a battle to go number one overall before the game (not retroactively). JaMarcus Russell had become a top-10 pick during the regular season.

 

What you're saying is that JaMarcus needed a good workout and a good game to get him where he was...we can say that about EVERY player drafted.

 

Dude, there's just no way. Russell wasn't even CLOSE to a top-10, Big-time prospect before the bowl season. Not one chance in hell. He's a workout pick, there's just no way around that. At all.

[imb]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

[Soul]

Without that Sugar Bowl, either Quinn or Calvin Johnson is wearing silver and black, and not only is Russell still on the board, but nobody is talking about him as a steal at this point like Quinn is.

 

Well at least someone remembers the past 4-5 months the way I do.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I know this is a huge stretch at this point, but if somehow Quinn was there at 31, the Bears would probably have to take him. I wouldn't like it, but they might have to.

[Southpaw191679666239]

Uhh... did they digitally alter Devin Hester's speech pattern, so that most can understand him? I don't recall him speaking that clearly before. :lol:

[texascub]

With the 13th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the StL Rams select Adam Carriker DE Nebraska. Good value there for them.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Nice pick for the Rams. Carriker is nasty.

[Banedon]

Uhh... did they digitally alter Devin Hester's speech pattern, so that most can understand him? I don't recall him speaking that clearly before. :lol:

 

I thought the same thing...he must've worked with a speech coach or something.

[Warpticon]

Ginn was a surprising pick, but I don't see why so many people are calling it "amazingly horrible" or whatever. The Dolphins need somebody for a quarterback to throw to. Youth and speed are very much needed in the receiving corps. A rookie QB would be very unlikely to play immediately, and Quinn's greatest trait is his NFL-readiness: If not for that, he'd almost certainly be ranked much lower based strictly on physical gifts and technique. A Trent Green trade seems a foregone conclusion at this point. And with Wes Welker gone, the Dolphins are also in need of a return man. The pick of Ginn, while surprising, makes a lot of sense in my eyes. I can se disagreeing with it, but the degree puzzles me.

 

Ginn was not the #2 WR in this draft, and 9th overall is way too high to be drafting a return man.

 

So who was? Bowe? Most places I've looked have had Ginn rated above Bowe and Meachem.

[soccer10k]

Uhh... did they digitally alter Devin Hester's speech pattern, so that most can understand him? I don't recall him speaking that clearly before. :lol:

 

Nah, he had to do so many takes out there that his high eventually wore off and he was able to speak clearer.

[Outshined_One]

Mooch just made a hilariously sexist comment that Mayock called him out on, haha.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Oh, and with deference to vance, Russell became the #1 pick on the basis of a workout. How'd that work out for Kyle Boller?

 

I think Quinn's the best QB in this draft. I don't care what kind of arm strength Russell has or how he looked in his personal workout in shorts and a t-shirt. Big deal. Nobody even knew who that guy was until the bowl season his last year in college. He's been a shooting star, but that's only because he was literally nowhere until his last couple games.

 

The Raiders couldn't deveop a QB to save their lives anyway. Quinn will most certainly be the more successful NFL QB.

 

You must not pay much attention to college football, Russell has been on people's radars since his freshman year.

 

Not anywhere near where he went. Not even close to that level.

 

Read what you wrote again, please. You said he was "literally nowhere" until his last couple games, which is completely untrue. I don't even know where you pulled that from, unless you just like playing expert.

 

What you said was completely false.

 

He was nowhere in terms of top 10. If you think he would have gone top 10 without the Sugar Bowl and his workout, you are sorely mistaken.

 

What the hell? He was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl. There's a reason the Sugar Bowl was looked at as a battle to go number one overall before the game (not retroactively). JaMarcus Russell had become a top-10 pick during the regular season.

 

What you're saying is that JaMarcus needed a good workout and a good game to get him where he was...we can say that about EVERY player drafted.

 

Without that Sugar Bowl, either Quinn or Calvin Johnson is wearing silver and black, and not only is Russell still on the board, but nobody is talking about him as a steal at this point like Quinn is.

 

Russell was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And big whoop that JaMarcus used a big game to boost himself into the top pick overall...most players use big games to boost their status.

 

Soul's original point was that JMR was the top pick because of his workout. That's false. He was the odd's on favorite for the top pick after the Sugar Bowl.

 

JMR was considered a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl. He was considered a first rounder all season. He didn't come out of nowhere, as Soul claims. He did use the Sugar Bowl to get to the first pick overall and cement his status there with his workouts.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Oh, and with deference to vance, Russell became the #1 pick on the basis of a workout. How'd that work out for Kyle Boller?

 

I think Quinn's the best QB in this draft. I don't care what kind of arm strength Russell has or how he looked in his personal workout in shorts and a t-shirt. Big deal. Nobody even knew who that guy was until the bowl season his last year in college. He's been a shooting star, but that's only because he was literally nowhere until his last couple games.

 

The Raiders couldn't deveop a QB to save their lives anyway. Quinn will most certainly be the more successful NFL QB.

 

You must not pay much attention to college football, Russell has been on people's radars since his freshman year.

 

Not anywhere near where he went. Not even close to that level.

 

Read what you wrote again, please. You said he was "literally nowhere" until his last couple games, which is completely untrue. I don't even know where you pulled that from, unless you just like playing expert.

 

What you said was completely false.

 

He was nowhere in terms of top 10. If you think he would have gone top 10 without the Sugar Bowl and his workout, you are sorely mistaken.

 

What the hell? He was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl. There's a reason the Sugar Bowl was looked at as a battle to go number one overall before the game (not retroactively). JaMarcus Russell had become a top-10 pick during the regular season.

 

What you're saying is that JaMarcus needed a good workout and a good game to get him where he was...we can say that about EVERY player drafted.

 

Dude, there's just no way. Russell wasn't even CLOSE to a top-10, Big-time prospect before the bowl season. Not one chance in hell. He's a workout pick, there's just no way around that. At all.

 

Were you looking at scouting reports and mock drafts before the bowl season?

 

Obviously not.

[Soul]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Without that Sugar Bowl, either Quinn or Calvin Johnson is wearing silver and black, and not only is Russell still on the board, but nobody is talking about him as a steal at this point like Quinn is.

 

Well at least someone remembers the past 4-5 months the way I do.

 

This is COMPLETELY different from what you said earlier.

[texascub]

In defense of some of the other guys, I got an email from a friend in Dallas that says with Quinn falling the Cowboys are looking hard at trying to get him. Jones believes the team doesn't have any immediate needs that have to be addressed. They like their receivers, though would like to get younger there. They addressed O-line with signing Davis and safety by signing Hamlin. If they think they can get Quinn, they will.

 

I'd much rather trade out of that spot if Quinn is still there, I would be pretty pissed if he's the pick. We really don't need a QB controversy with Romo and Quinn.

 

Personally, I'd like them to take Quinn if he falls that far, which I doubt he will.

 

The Cowboys without any immediate need could add a player of value. Romo would be the starter, but the Cowboys would have insurance if Romo falls back to earth. With Johnson on the roster, nothing would be expected of Quinn this year.

 

Greg Ellis is coming off a very serious injury and Carpenter could start inside over James. I'd much rather see Moss or Spencer (even though my choice is Brian Robison in the 2nd or 3rd). Henry has been injured quite a bit, but he has still really struggled so Leon Hall or Darrelle Revis would be nice. I would have no problem with Reggie Nelson or Brandon Merriweather either.

[texascub]

I think a trade is happening with the Jets.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Brady to the Jets?

[Shavo]

Jets looking for a corner or Quinn?

[texascub]

Brady to the Jets?

 

Darrelle Revis most likely.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Corner, I'd think.

[Outshined_One]

The trade announcement came right when Mayock said that he didn't think a trade was coming. That was awesome. Edited April 28, 2007 by Outshined_One

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Quinn to the Jets....?