2007 NFL Draft

[imb]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

EDIT

I will say this though, he wasn't in anyone's top-10 until late. But draft boards change so much from bowl season to draft day that that is no shock.

Edited April 28, 2007 by Bunts Lick Butts

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Revis, imo.

[texascub]

The trade is Carolina's 1st and 6th rounders for the Jets 1st, 2nd, and 5th rounder.

[Banedon]

Ouch...Jets traded a lot!

[Outshined_One]

They let the air out of that balloon in a hurry.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wow, that was a steep price.

[Soul]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

[texascub]

The NFL really needs to cut time slots from 15/10 down to 10/5.

[Soul]

That's good value for the Panthers, IMO.

[Flames24Rulz]

The NFL really needs to cut time slots from 15/10 down to 10/5.

 

+1

[soccer10k]

Russell was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And big whoop that JaMarcus used a big game to boost himself into the top pick overall...most players use big games to boost their status.

 

Soul's original point was that JMR was the top pick because of his workout. That's false. He was the odd's on favorite for the top pick after the Sugar Bowl.

 

JMR was considered a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl. He was considered a first rounder all season. He didn't come out of nowhere, as Soul claims. He did use the Sugar Bowl to get to the first pick overall and cement his status there with his workouts.

 

JMR didn't become a top pick because of his workout because of his draft, though that solidified it. He became the top QB in the draft because of the Sugar Bowl. Sure, he was rated highly before hand but he was probably a second round pick before the Sugar Bowl. If Russell faces a good defense in the Sugar Bowl like Quinn did rather than a high school defense, he wouldn't be talked about right now as the best quarterback in the draft and would be one of the guys, along with Stanton and Edwards, who would be a good second round pick.

 

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

[imb]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

 

Are you serious? He was a big, strong quarterback with a huge arm that played at a big-time SEC school since his freshman year. He was no one's No. 1 pick at the beginning of the year, but guess who was? Brady Quinn. Draft boards in August mean nothing.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

 

The second JMR got to college, many had him pegged as a first rounder 3-4 years later. This happens to a lot of the top recruits as they enroll at college, especially a big name college with a good coaching staff.

[soccer10k]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

 

Are you serious? He was a big, strong quarterback with a huge arm that played at a big-time SEC school since his freshman year. He was no one's No. 1 pick at the beginning of the year, but guess who was? Brady Quinn. Draft boards in August mean nothing.

 

Quinn was the top pick in the draft up until the Sugar Bowl. Nobody though he would get past the Raiders at #1 or #2 (since at the time the Raiders and Lions were tied for the worst record).

[texascub]

With the 14th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft, the NY Jets take Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh.

[Soul]

LOL, some of these fans are a bit hyper for April.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Most Jets fans seem happy, but man they gave up tons to move up.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Russell was a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl.

 

And big whoop that JaMarcus used a big game to boost himself into the top pick overall...most players use big games to boost their status.

 

Soul's original point was that JMR was the top pick because of his workout. That's false. He was the odd's on favorite for the top pick after the Sugar Bowl.

 

JMR was considered a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl. He was considered a first rounder all season. He didn't come out of nowhere, as Soul claims. He did use the Sugar Bowl to get to the first pick overall and cement his status there with his workouts.

 

JMR didn't become a top pick because of his workout because of his draft, though that solidified it. He became the top QB in the draft because of the Sugar Bowl. Sure, he was rated highly before hand but he was probably a second round pick before the Sugar Bowl. If Russell faces a good defense in the Sugar Bowl like Quinn did rather than a high school defense, he wouldn't be talked about right now as the best quarterback in the draft and would be one of the guys, along with Stanton and Edwards, who would be a good second round pick.

 

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

 

He was a first rounder all season and had become a top-10 pick before the Sugar Bowl, from what I have read (and had read at the time). These guys don't just go from the second round to #1 overall pick in one game.

[ChiCubsFan]

I thought Hall was rated ahead of Revis on just about everyone's board.

[imb]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

 

Are you serious? He was a big, strong quarterback with a huge arm that played at a big-time SEC school since his freshman year. He was no one's No. 1 pick at the beginning of the year, but guess who was? Brady Quinn. Draft boards in August mean nothing.

 

Quinn was the top pick in the draft up until the Sugar Bowl. Nobody though he would get past the Raiders at #1 or #2 (since at the time the Raiders and Lions were tied for the worst record).

 

Have you been following the discussion at all? He said that Russell was "literally nowhere" before the sugar bowl. Saying that Quinn was No. 1 then means nothing.

 

You guys need to face facts, people who follow college football and draft prospects have known about Russell for a long time now.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I thought Hall was rated ahead of Revis on just about everyone's board.

 

I prefer Revis, cover-2 teams definitely would.

[reggiemiller rules]

I really like the Rams pick, Carriker is not the sexiest name but I think that he will be a very solid D-lineman for years to come.

[reggiemiller rules]

I thought Hall was rated ahead of Revis on just about everyone's board.

 

I prefer Revis, cover-2 teams definitely would.

 

I would pick Revis as well, Hall made more big plays this year but that is mostly due to the face that teams stayed away from Revis. Hall also got burned by alot of the better recievers he faced last year.

[Flames24Rulz]

Hahaha, if we draft Quinn, he's going to be on the same team as his brother-in-law.

[Soul]

 

He wasn't anywhere near that level before his last game and workout. Big time prospect? He wasn't close until 4 months ago. Plenty of players are drafted high without a special workout. You're simply wrong about that.

 

Is this the first draft you've ever watched? That's the way these things work, that's the way they're supposed to work.

 

The point remains, you said he was "literally nowhere" before his last couple games, and that's completely false. Anyone who follows college football knew who he was and could see his talent when he stepped on the field his freshman year. That kind of arm doesn't go unnoticed.

 

I like how you've changed your point from "completely nowhere" to "not a top-10 pick" by the way.

 

I like how you keep harping on it, even though I explained what I meant. Plenty of QBs have a 10-ton arm, doesn't mean they're the #1 pick. There will be great players drafted on the 2nd day, that's not even the subject of the discussion.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with our discussion at all. He's been a big time prospect for a long time, of course he wasn't the No. 1 pick before the Sugar Bowl, no one was, these things take time to get decided. You're proving complete ignorance here.

 

Define "Big Time Prospect" then.

 

Are you serious? He was a big, strong quarterback with a huge arm that played at a big-time SEC school since his freshman year. He was no one's No. 1 pick at the beginning of the year, but guess who was? Brady Quinn. Draft boards in August mean nothing.

 

John Navarre was a big, strong QB with a huge arm that played at a big school, too. That means nothing in terms of whether the guy is a "Big Time" prospect.

 

Manning? Vick? These guys were big-time prospects for years & years before they were drafted. That's my idea of a big-time prospect. Russell wasn't close to that level, and honestly? He still isn't.

 

Can we agree to stop arguing this? I'm not going to come over to your side, I think you're dead wrong and that's not going to change.