Prior to have exploratory arthroscopic shoulder surgery

[Vinestal]

Will Carroll has a better breakdown of what was done during the surgery on his blog today at BP https://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=341

 

 

 

So what does this mean? First, it means that Prior had been pitching with significant damage for the past two years. Do NOT take this to mean that he was misdiagnosed. MRIs are imperfect instruments but it does show that this surgery was necessary. - Will Carroll (BP)

[Tracer Bullet]

Will Carroll has a better breakdown of what was done during the surgery on his blog today at BP https://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=341

 

 

 

So what does this mean? First, it means that Prior had been pitching with significant damage for the past two years. Do NOT take this to mean that he was misdiagnosed. MRIs are imperfect instruments but it does show that this surgery was necessary. - Will Carroll (BP)

 

Damage? But everyone told me he was just soft and I believed them.

 

[/sarcasm]

[OleMissCub]

To steal one from Derwood:

 

http://f10.putfile.com/7/18608510789.gif

[Soul]

Will Carroll has a better breakdown of what was done during the surgery on his blog today at BP https://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=341

 

 

 

So what does this mean? First, it means that Prior had been pitching with significant damage for the past two years. Do NOT take this to mean that he was misdiagnosed. MRIs are imperfect instruments but it does show that this surgery was necessary. - Will Carroll (BP)

 

Wow they went in and worked on all kinds of stuff. Sounded like a complete overhaul.

 

Amazing all that work needed to be done and nobody was able to diagnose it earlier.

[Vinestal]

Will Carroll has a better breakdown of what was done during the surgery on his blog today at BP https://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=341

 

 

 

So what does this mean? First, it means that Prior had been pitching with significant damage for the past two years. Do NOT take this to mean that he was misdiagnosed. MRIs are imperfect instruments but it does show that this surgery was necessary. - Will Carroll (BP)

 

Damage? But everyone told me he was just soft and I believed them.

 

[/sarcasm]

 

LOL well there were plenty of people on these boards making that claim. I believe Mark can come back and be a solid major league pitcher. Im torn however on wether or not the Cubs should pay him or cut him, I think they have to pay him a rather large amount since they can only pay him a certain amount less than what he made this year. The Cardinals will probably sign him and he'll win Cy Young awards for them.

[Faceman]

Too bad - the next big stud.

 

Maybe he'll recover strong in 2009.

[J.R.]

from Madonna tickets to Tool tickets.

[imb]

CHICAGO (AP) — Mark Prior is out for the rest of the season. His once promising future with the Chicago Cubs is unclear, although surgery on his right shoulder is not considered career-threatening.

 

Dr. James Andrews operated on the 26-year-old right-hander Tuesday in an arthroscopic procedure in which he also worked on Prior’s rotator cuff.

“Dr. Andrews feels comfortable that he will still have a career. This is certainly not career-ending,” Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said Wednesday. “He felt optimistic that he would be able to pitch next year. ... At his age, he should not have a problem responding and coming back after a strenuous rehab.”

 

 

Prior has been beset by injuries since his first full season in the majors in 2003. He went on the disabled list three times last year and started this season at Triple-A Iowa.

 

“It’s best for him. He had some physical problems and now they’ve been taken care of. I don’t think he was going to be able to pitch this way,” Cubs manager Lou Piniella said after Wednesday’s 9-3 win over Milwaukee.

“In a way, I’m happy for the guy because he’ll get well now and get strong and he can resume his career without the problems that he had. A lot of pitchers have this type of surgery and bounce back and have very productive careers. So let’s hope that’s the same in Mark’s case.”

The injury was the latest problem for the struggling team. The Cubs, who have not reached the World Series since 1945, made many major changes in the offseason. After beating the Brewers they were 8-13 and last in the NL Central.

 

Kerry Wood, who teamed with Prior to nearly pitch the Cubs to the NL pennant in 2003, is back on the disabled list with tendinitis in his right shoulder. Wood has not pitched since a spring training appearance on March 25 when his arm felt weak and then stiffened up the next day, and Hendry said Wood might resume throwing this week.

According to a team statement, Andrews performed a debridement of Prior’s rotator cuff and repaired labral and capsular injuries in the shoulder.

 

“It stayed in the arthroscopic stage. But I think he had some touch up work in a lot of places,” Hendry said. “But at the same time there didn’t seem to be anything so significant that it would require more than the scope. It didn’t have to be opened up and have extensive surgery.”

The Cubs were hoping Prior could rebound this season and compete for their fifth starter’s spot that eventually went to Wade Miller. On the day after he was optioned to the minors late in spring training, Prior was convinced he could still get major league hitters out.

 

“You don’t know where your crossroads in your career are until probably after your career is done,” he said at the time.

Prior had hoped to start the season with the Cubs.

 

“There’s no reason to ever think that he didn’t want to pitch. He was certainly disappointed when he didn’t make the ballclub this year and felt like he was good enough to make it,” Hendry said. “He wasn’t quite his old self, but he felt that he was on the way. There were no complaints in spring training at all about discomfort or sharp pain. He certainly wouldn’t have been pitching if he had.”

 

Prior is 42-29 with a 3.51 ERA in the majors. He took a slight pay cut this season, from $3.65 million to $3,575,000.

Prior finished third in NL Cy Young Award voting in 2003, when he 18-6 with a 4.24 ERA and struck out 245 in 211 1-3 innings. That October, he was on the mound for Game 6 of the NL championship series against Florida with the Cubs leading the series 3-2.

Chicago held a three-run lead in the eighth inning before the Marlins, helped by fan interference on a foul ball at Wrigley Field, rallied to win. Florida also won Game 7 and then won the World Series.

[Mizzou]

I doubt he pitches at all in 2008.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I doubt he pitches at all in 2008.

I'm sorry to say, I think we may have already seen the last pitch out of Mark Prior in the major leagues. There is no doubt in my mind he'll fight to try to come back, but it is my belief that he is done. Such a shame too. He's just one very unlucky guy. :(

[Rusch33]

Prior finished third in NL Cy Young Award voting in 2003, when he 18-6 with a 4.24 ERA and struck out 245 in 211 1-3 innings.

 

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Who wrote this? Someone that doesn't look at stats. Prior had an era in the 2s in 2003.

 

2.43 if I recall right.

[brinoch]

But he's soft! And we don't need pitch counts. Pitchers need to throw more! Like they did back in the day -- they never got hurt then. [/sarcasm]

 

This is the price we pay for bringing in a manager who simply refused, despite the evidence, to acknowledge that too many outings of 110+ pitches is bad for your pitchers.

 

I don't ever want to hear from anyone ever again that Prior is soft. I don't want to read that he didn't care. Having had a rotator cuff injury, I can tell you that it hurts like hell. I could barely sleep for two months because it hurt so much. That he was pitching with a shoulder that was obviously damaged is a testament to his commitment to pitching and to the Cubs.

 

Frankly, I think a lot of people on this board, and in Chicago, seriously owe him an apology.

[soccer10k]

Prior finished third in NL Cy Young Award voting in 2003, when he 18-6 with a 4.24 ERA and struck out 245 in 211 1-3 innings.

 

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Who wrote this? Someone that doesn't look at stats. Prior had an era in the 2s in 2003.

 

2.43 if I recall right.

 

Correct.

[soccer10k]

Hopefully Mark makes a full recovery. I would love to see him in a Cubs uniform again but obviously that is in doubt right now.

[anabiono]

it really would be tragic to see him pitching else where in the league

[illiniguy]

it really would be tragic to see him pitching else where in the league

I don't care at this point. I want him to get back and do well. I am rooting for Mark Prior. I don't care if he does well with anyone else, including the Cardinals. Face it. Prior is pretty much responsible for '03'(with Wood). I hope he gets another shot.

[Bull]

[Pessimism]

"I think we all felt it was time to have Dr. Andrews go in and scope and look around and fix up some things," Hendry said. "When you pitch in the Major Leagues, any time you go in and scope somebody's shoulder, you can find some things to touch up."

 

Doesn't look like there was that much wrong. He's toast.[/pessimism]

 

[optimism]"All in all, this is a very negative result for Prior, but gives him the knowledge that he was pitching with significant damage." - Will Carrol makes it sound like a hurdle overcome.

that and Prior at 26 is still younger than Rich Hill was last year.[/optimism]

[E.J.]

Well, at least we'll be able to move on now. There won't be that "maybe he can come back and pitch" for this year. I feel bad for the kid. He had such a promising career, and now he might never get back to what he was. It's a sad story.

[Soul]

Well, at least we'll be able to move on now. There won't be that "maybe he can come back and pitch" for this year. I feel bad for the kid. He had such a promising career, and now he might never get back to what he was. It's a sad story.

 

I think you're right. It's a good thing for Mark he's officially shut down for the year. There won't be anything for him to worry about except rehab, not trying to come back and rescue the Cubs. Maybe that will help a little.

[C.C.]

Well, at least we'll be able to move on now. There won't be that "maybe he can come back and pitch" for this year. I feel bad for the kid. He had such a promising career, and now he might never get back to what he was. It's a sad story.

 

It is really a shame...And I do believe it came from that collision with Giles. I think it all stems from that.

[nick23]

Well, at least we'll be able to move on now. There won't be that "maybe he can come back and pitch" for this year. I feel bad for the kid. He had such a promising career, and now he might never get back to what he was. It's a sad story.

 

It is really a shame...And I do believe it came from that collision with Giles. I think it all stems from that.

 

The actual collision, or the staying in to pitch after the collision?

[The Ghost of Dave Rosello]

I already know how this is going to end. The Cubs are going to non-tender him at the end of the year and he's going to walk away and win 18 for the Cardinals next season.

[biittner77]

I already know how this is going to end. The Cubs are going to non-tender him at the end of the year and he's going to walk away and win 18 for the Cardinals next season.

 

Welcome to the forum. Is Davey Rosello really dead?

[abuck1220]

did anyone see the comments by hendry attempting to deflect blame for not doing this earlier? something to the effect of "well, he said he was healthy in spring training." man, that really pisses me off. seemed like a real smug way to take a shot at prior.

[jersey cubs fan]

did anyone see the comments by hendry attempting to deflect blame for not doing this earlier? something to the effect of "well, he said he was healthy in spring training." man, that really pisses me off. seemed like a real smug way to take a shot at prior.

 

When I saw him speaking, I thought there was a lot of tension between he and Prior.

 

I'd guess Prior and his people think the Cubs are to blame for much of his problems, and Hendry blames Prior for all the problems the Cubs have had.