4/17 Cubs (Miller) vs. Fathers (Maddux), 1:20 pm CT, WGN

[98navigator]

Not missing much on the PC. He just replied with short answers and you can tell he was ticked but he did not blow up. He did say he will give Ohman opportunities to throw the ball so he has to pitch better.

 

I heard that snippet on ESPN AM 1000's Sports Center. Lou didn't sound too happy about it... I think he wants Ohman out but it isn't his call. I'm still awaiting The Score's tape of the post game

 

son of a.... they never played it! Now Sox pregame :x

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Silver lining: For all those worried about Lee getting power sapped from his wrist injury, he absolutely bombed two pitches today that got beat down by the wind. Miller and Maddux both would've had about 5 more earned runs if there had been no wind, never mind if it was blowing out.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Silver lining: For all those worried about Lee getting power sapped from his wrist injury, he absolutely bombed two pitches today that got beat down by the wind. Miller and Maddux both would've had about 5 more earned runs if there had been no wind, never mind if it was blowing out.

 

That's your silver lining TT?

 

Don't ever take a job at a crisis hotline. :D

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Silver lining: For all those worried about Lee getting power sapped from his wrist injury, he absolutely bombed two pitches today that got beat down by the wind. Miller and Maddux both would've had about 5 more earned runs if there had been no wind, never mind if it was blowing out.

 

That's your silver lining TT?

 

Don't ever take a job at a crisis hotline. :D

 

No, the previous point was. Steadman needs to go away as soon as possible.

[Mizzou]

Silver lining: For all those worried about Lee getting power sapped from his wrist injury, he absolutely bombed two pitches today that got beat down by the wind. Miller and Maddux both would've had about 5 more earned runs if there had been no wind, never mind if it was blowing out.

 

That's your silver lining TT?

 

Don't ever take a job at a crisis hotline. :D

 

No, the previous point was. Steadman needs to go away as soon as possible.

If you're referring to the Steadman from Rookie of the Year, then that's awesome.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

man i could go for a 5 game win streak right about now...haha

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Silver lining: For all those worried about Lee getting power sapped from his wrist injury, he absolutely bombed two pitches today that got beat down by the wind. Miller and Maddux both would've had about 5 more earned runs if there had been no wind, never mind if it was blowing out.

 

That's your silver lining TT?

 

Don't ever take a job at a crisis hotline. :D

 

No, the previous point was. Steadman needs to go away as soon as possible.

If you're referring to the Steadman from Rookie of the Year, then that's awesome.

 

The one and only.

[98navigator]

Why didn't we pinch hit Z?

 

Because if the game is tied there's no one to pay SS. Izturis PH earlier.

 

Marquis, Pie, Zambrano across the outfield

 

Ramirez, Theriot, DeRosa, Jones across the infield.

 

I don't see Marquis playing OF

 

You don't? What do you think was going to happen if we tied the game?

 

Marquis, Pie, Jones

Ramirez, Cedeno, Theriot, DeRosa

 

Marquis at 1B-- maybe

 

Pretty sure Jones has played 1B before. I think that Marquis would've went out in LF. Needless to say, we'll never know.

 

FWIW:

 

Tribune

 

...Because the Cubs were out of position players, Marquis would have played first base in the 15th if the game had been tied up.

[soccer10k]

It's going to feel even better when Soriano doesn't play for 15 days +

Exactly. Hendry of all people should know that if 7-10 days is the initial prognosis, 15 is almost a guarantee. He may not think that Cedeno or Ohman qualify as wastes of a roster spot, but now Sori certainly does.

 

If we don't call up an extra arm between now and tomorrow's game, our bullpen is going to be in deep doodoo. Thanks Jim.

 

Cherry has to be called up. The pen is taxed. Dempster, Howry, Cotts, and Wuertz could all be unavailable tomorrow.

 

Somethings going to have to happen tonight...

 

Z better pitch well tomorrow or he might have to take one for the team.

 

I'm pretty sure Z will be taking one for the team tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Lou tells him before the game that Z will throw 100 pitches whether he goes 2 innings or 9. This is when Z needs to step up as the team's ace and pitch well tomorrow.

[soccer10k]

THIS IS ON OHMAN :x :x :x :x :x :x

Don't you think it should be on whoever's bright idea it was to make room on the roster for Pie while deciding that both Ohman and Cedeno needed to stay?

 

Cedeno is the backup utility player. He's fine. Ohman just sucks!!!! I wanted him gone but I was fine with Guz going down because it sets up for him to be stretched out... In light of 14 innings and a burned through bullpen, it was the wrong move. Clearly.

 

Ohman is not endearing himself to anyone.

 

Cedeno is anything but fine. He doesn't have a bat and he routinely misplays easy groundballs at short. Fontenot would be a much better backup than Ronny is.

 

He's fine for what he does. ideally, you won't see him too much. He's the backup's backup

 

So what exactly is he good for? His BA that is hovering around .050? His inability to take walks? His ability to take strike 3 right down the middle for the final out?

 

I defended him last year, a bunch. But he just looks so clueless at the plate.

 

Ronny isn't here for his bat. Ronny has played fine in the field. Ohman is in a position to have a greater impact on the team; He should be the odd man out.

 

No. Ronny should be sent down. He is horrible. He's had basically two decent months at the ML level - his 80 AB's in 2005 and April 2006. That's it. He has sucked the rest of the time. Ohman had one very good year in 2005 and a solid year in 2006. Ohman deserves to be on this team and deserves to be on a major league roster. Ronny doesn't. He's a AAA player right now. I'm not saying that's all he'll ever be but he clearly isn't developing at all at the plate at the ML level right now.

[BigSlick]

I really don't see how this lineup could have produced more than 3 runs anyway.

 

We have no punch, guys.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

DeRosa's diving stop was BBTN's #2 web gem, Pie's throw was #5. What a beautiful throw. :)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What a beautiful throw. :)

 

A statement so nice, it had to be said twice.

[Outshined_One]

I really don't see how this lineup could have produced more than 3 runs anyway.

 

We have no punch, guys.

 

I think part of the problem with the offense today was just pure bad luck. The Cubs had some hard hit balls, but if they were hit too low, they were hit right at infielders. If they were hit too high, they'd get caught up in the wind and become deep flyouts (or, in Mike Cameron's case, a great opportunity to do a faceplant). There wasn't much room for error, you know?

 

If the wind were blowing out, this game would have been a shootout. I'm not too entirely worried about the offense right now; the power's there and they caught a few too many bad breaks today.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I really don't see how this lineup could have produced more than 3 runs anyway.

 

We have no punch, guys.

 

I think part of the problem with the offense today was just pure bad luck. The Cubs had some hard hit balls, but if they were hit too low, they were hit right at infielders. If they were hit too high, they'd get caught up in the wind and become deep flyouts (or, in Mike Cameron's case, a great opportunity to do a faceplant). There wasn't much room for error, you know?

 

If the wind were blowing out, this game would have been a shootout. I'm not too entirely worried about the offense right now; the power's there and they caught a few too many bad breaks today.

 

Agreed, the ball Jones hit in the 37th was gone most days. I didn't see a few of the others (unlike the rest of you I have a life -- OK, I was secretly TV shopping for no real reason), but I heard that a few other balls were headed for the bleachers but knocked down.

[Butterscup1679666578]

I really don't see how this lineup could have produced more than 3 runs anyway.

 

We have no punch, guys.

 

I think part of the problem with the offense today was just pure bad luck. The Cubs had some hard hit balls, but if they were hit too low, they were hit right at infielders. If they were hit too high, they'd get caught up in the wind and become deep flyouts (or, in Mike Cameron's case, a great opportunity to do a faceplant). There wasn't much room for error, you know?

 

If the wind were blowing out, this game would have been a shootout. I'm not too entirely worried about the offense right now; the power's there and they caught a few too many bad breaks today.

 

Agreed, the ball Jones hit in the 37th was gone most days. I didn't see a few of the others (unlike the rest of you I have a life -- OK, I was secretly TV shopping for no real reason), but I heard that a few other balls were headed for the bleachers but knocked down.

 

DeRosa's ball in the 13th(?) was absolutely destroyed.

[Andy]

I really don't see how this lineup could have produced more than 3 runs anyway.

 

We have no punch, guys.

 

I think part of the problem with the offense today was just pure bad luck. The Cubs had some hard hit balls, but if they were hit too low, they were hit right at infielders. If they were hit too high, they'd get caught up in the wind and become deep flyouts (or, in Mike Cameron's case, a great opportunity to do a faceplant). There wasn't much room for error, you know?

 

If the wind were blowing out, this game would have been a shootout. I'm not too entirely worried about the offense right now; the power's there and they caught a few too many bad breaks today.

 

Agreed, the ball Jones hit in the 37th was gone most days. I didn't see a few of the others (unlike the rest of you I have a life -- OK, I was secretly TV shopping for no real reason), but I heard that a few other balls were headed for the bleachers but knocked down.

 

DeRosa's ball in the 13th(?) was absolutely destroyed.

Yeah, on about 19 out of 20 days at Wrigley that one's out easily.

[Laura]

What a beautiful throw. :)

 

A statement so nice, it had to be said twice.

 

I was at the game today. It was very cold and very long and the Cubs lost, but as we were talking afterwards, it was worth going just for seeing that throw during his debut game.

[soccer10k]

I really don't see how this lineup could have produced more than 3 runs anyway.

 

We have no punch, guys.

 

I think part of the problem with the offense today was just pure bad luck. The Cubs had some hard hit balls, but if they were hit too low, they were hit right at infielders. If they were hit too high, they'd get caught up in the wind and become deep flyouts (or, in Mike Cameron's case, a great opportunity to do a faceplant). There wasn't much room for error, you know?

 

If the wind were blowing out, this game would have been a shootout. I'm not too entirely worried about the offense right now; the power's there and they caught a few too many bad breaks today.

 

Agreed, the ball Jones hit in the 37th was gone most days. I didn't see a few of the others (unlike the rest of you I have a life -- OK, I was secretly TV shopping for no real reason), but I heard that a few other balls were headed for the bleachers but knocked down.

 

DeRosa's ball in the 13th(?) was absolutely destroyed.

Yeah, on about 19 out of 20 days at Wrigley that one's out easily.

 

Yup. With no wind, that one is easily out. With the wind blowing out, that thing could be on to Waveland.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

I really don't see how this lineup could have produced more than 3 runs anyway.

 

We have no punch, guys.

 

I think part of the problem with the offense today was just pure bad luck. The Cubs had some hard hit balls, but if they were hit too low, they were hit right at infielders. If they were hit too high, they'd get caught up in the wind and become deep flyouts (or, in Mike Cameron's case, a great opportunity to do a faceplant). There wasn't much room for error, you know?

 

If the wind were blowing out, this game would have been a shootout. I'm not too entirely worried about the offense right now; the power's there and they caught a few too many bad breaks today.

 

Agreed, the ball Jones hit in the 37th was gone most days. I didn't see a few of the others (unlike the rest of you I have a life -- OK, I was secretly TV shopping for no real reason), but I heard that a few other balls were headed for the bleachers but knocked down.

 

DeRosa's ball in the 13th(?) was absolutely destroyed.

Yeah, on about 19 out of 20 days at Wrigley that one's out easily.

 

Yup. With no wind, that one is easily out. With the wind blowing out, that thing could be on to Waveland.

 

that is what made it so frustrating was how hard they were hitting balls and how the wind knocked them down...i mean ramirez's triple, lee's drive caught, derosa's caught, jones' caught....at least they were making hard outs so that is good

[jersey cubs fan]

Oh no. We're already blaming luck for the losses?

[CubColtPacer]

Oh no. We're already blaming luck for the losses?

 

Not the losses-just this loss. The offense Sunday and the offense yesterday were two completely different things.

 

Between the 6th and the 9th, the Cubs offense hit 5 hard hit low line drives-1 directly at the first baseman, 2 directly at the shortstop, and 2 hit directly at the 3rd baseman.

 

In extra innings, the Cubs hit 4 balls that would have been home runs on any average day-none of them left the park.

 

Could they have won the game even with all that bad luck? Yes-but yesterday, the Cubs were pretty unlucky-while Sunday had a ball or two that were unlucky, but most of it was simply a horrible offensive performance.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Oh no. We're already blaming luck for the losses?

 

Not the losses-just this loss. The offense Sunday and the offense yesterday were two completely different things.

 

Between the 6th and the 9th, the Cubs offense hit 5 hard hit low line drives-1 directly at the first baseman, 2 directly at the shortstop, and 2 hit directly at the 3rd baseman.

 

In extra innings, the Cubs hit 4 balls that would have been home runs on any average day-none of them left the park.

 

Could they have won the game even with all that bad luck? Yes-but yesterday, the Cubs were pretty unlucky-while Sunday had a ball or two that were unlucky, but most of it was simply a horrible offensive performance.

 

All I have to say to that is the game was played in Wrigley. You have to be able to take advantage of your home park. If that means playing small ball (yikes!) to get some runs while the wind is howling in instead of swinging for the fences (like we did), you do it.

[Chocolate Milk]

Oh no. We're already blaming luck for the losses?

 

Over the course of the season things tend to even out but as far as a single game goes, luck can play a pretty large factor. Do you disagree?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Oh no. We're already blaming luck for the losses?

 

Not the losses-just this loss. The offense Sunday and the offense yesterday were two completely different things.

 

Between the 6th and the 9th, the Cubs offense hit 5 hard hit low line drives-1 directly at the first baseman, 2 directly at the shortstop, and 2 hit directly at the 3rd baseman.

 

In extra innings, the Cubs hit 4 balls that would have been home runs on any average day-none of them left the park.

 

Could they have won the game even with all that bad luck? Yes-but yesterday, the Cubs were pretty unlucky-while Sunday had a ball or two that were unlucky, but most of it was simply a horrible offensive performance.

 

Is that luck, or is that the reason those people play those positions -- because that's where most of the balls are hit?