Its Bowl Season...

[soccer10k]

ND can't be overrated because everyone is constantly talking about how overrated they are. They are the least taken-seriously top-15 team in the country including Boise State. I'm not sure how anyone can think there is any real respect for ND right now nationwide because there isn't.

 

Yeah, they were overrated at one point in the season but I wouldn't consider them overrated right now.

[NewUserName]

ND can't be overrated because everyone is constantly talking about how overrated they are. They are the least taken-seriously top-15 team in the country including Boise State. I'm not sure how anyone can think there is any real respect for ND right now nationwide because there isn't.

 

Yeah, they were overrated at one point in the season but I wouldn't consider them overrated right now.

 

 

They started the season overrated. Several experts had them winning NT. I really think if people would have objectively looked at them at the beginning of the season they would have to come to the conclusion that OSU and several SEC schools were better. Notre Dame did look like they could possibly go undefeated with the schedule they had. I dont think noone outside of me and some Michigan fans thought Michigan was a better team then Notre Dame before the season began. So most people thought if they could beat USC at USC they would go undefeated. So Notre Dame was ranked to high to begin the season. Which puts them about were they are now. Except for Lou Holtz I dont think anyone else outside of Notre Dame thinks they are a Top Ten team now.

 

Really I do get tired of people just throwing out that Notre Dame sucks or are overrated. There is no other eligble team that is more deserving who was left out of the BCS. They are a double digit underdog in the Sugar Bowl. What exactly are we trying to prove. They should be 21 point underdog or West Virginia should have made the BCS.

 

I almost feel dirty. Defending Michigan and Notre Dame in the same week.

[TruffleShuffle]

ND can't be overrated because everyone is constantly talking about how overrated they are. They are the least taken-seriously top-15 team in the country including Boise State. I'm not sure how anyone can think there is any real respect for ND right now nationwide because there isn't.

 

Yeah, they were overrated at one point in the season but I wouldn't consider them overrated right now.

 

 

They started the season overrated. Several experts had them winning NT. I really think if people would have objectively looked at them at the beginning of the season they would have to come to the conclusion that OSU and several SEC schools were better. Notre Dame did look like they could possibly go undefeated with the schedule they had. I dont think noone outside of me and some Michigan fans thought Michigan was a better team then Notre Dame before the season began. So most people thought if they could beat USC at USC they would go undefeated. So Notre Dame was ranked to high to begin the season. Which puts them about were they are now. Except for Lou Holtz I dont think anyone else outside of Notre Dame thinks they are a Top Ten team now.

 

Really I do get tired of people just throwing out that Notre Dame sucks or are overrated. There is no other eligble team that is more deserving who was left out of the BCS. They are a double digit underdog in the Sugar Bowl. What exactly are we trying to prove. They should be 21 point underdog or West Virginia should have made the BCS.

 

I almost feel dirty. Defending Michigan and Notre Dame in the same week.

 

Therein lies the problem. Wisconsin is more deserving, but can't go, because they actually play in a conference. Auburn also has a higher BCS ranking, but they can't go either. The system gives a huge edge to a team that doesn't play in a conference.

[CubColtPacer]

ND can't be overrated because everyone is constantly talking about how overrated they are. They are the least taken-seriously top-15 team in the country including Boise State. I'm not sure how anyone can think there is any real respect for ND right now nationwide because there isn't.

 

Yeah, they were overrated at one point in the season but I wouldn't consider them overrated right now.

 

 

They started the season overrated. Several experts had them winning NT. I really think if people would have objectively looked at them at the beginning of the season they would have to come to the conclusion that OSU and several SEC schools were better. Notre Dame did look like they could possibly go undefeated with the schedule they had. I dont think noone outside of me and some Michigan fans thought Michigan was a better team then Notre Dame before the season began. So most people thought if they could beat USC at USC they would go undefeated. So Notre Dame was ranked to high to begin the season. Which puts them about were they are now. Except for Lou Holtz I dont think anyone else outside of Notre Dame thinks they are a Top Ten team now.

 

Really I do get tired of people just throwing out that Notre Dame sucks or are overrated. There is no other eligble team that is more deserving who was left out of the BCS. They are a double digit underdog in the Sugar Bowl. What exactly are we trying to prove. They should be 21 point underdog or West Virginia should have made the BCS.

 

I almost feel dirty. Defending Michigan and Notre Dame in the same week.

 

Therein lies the problem. Wisconsin is more deserving, but can't go, because they actually play in a conference. Auburn also has a higher BCS ranking, but they can't go either. The system gives a huge edge to a team that doesn't play in a conference.

 

Conference teams get the advantage of having a weak conference from time to time and getting in the BCS with a bad team (Wake Forest is the closest example this year-Florida State of a couple years, Pittsburgh of 2004, etc.) ND gets the advantage if they are eligible. It all ends up evening out in the end.

[TruffleShuffle]

Conference teams get the advantage of having a weak conference from time to time and getting in the BCS with a bad team (Wake Forest is the closest example this year-Florida State of a couple years, Pittsburgh of 2004, etc.) ND gets the advantage if they are eligible. It all ends up evening out in the end.

 

And ND can play a weak schedule whenever they want and get in the BCS.

 

edit - or they can play what looks to be a good schedule and turns out to be weak (like last year, when two teams they played were ranked by the end of the season). The weak schedule can work in ND's favor just as much as it can in a conference team's favor.

[Andy]

Conference teams get the advantage of having a weak conference from time to time and getting in the BCS with a bad team (Wake Forest is the closest example this year-Florida State of a couple years, Pittsburgh of 2004, etc.) ND gets the advantage if they are eligible. It all ends up evening out in the end.

 

And ND can play a weak schedule whenever they want and get in the BCS.

 

edit - or they can play what looks to be a good schedule and turns out to be weak (like last year, when two teams they played were ranked by the end of the season). The weak schedule can work in ND's favor just as much as it can in a conference team's favor.

These last two years have been giant anomalies. Davieham combined to play similar schedules in their tenures and they were consistently among the toughest in the country.

 

Although once again, Sagarin rates ND's schedule 19th toughest, 5th-toughest among ranked teams, so I don't know why we continue to bring this up.

[CubColtPacer]

Conference teams get the advantage of having a weak conference from time to time and getting in the BCS with a bad team (Wake Forest is the closest example this year-Florida State of a couple years, Pittsburgh of 2004, etc.) ND gets the advantage if they are eligible. It all ends up evening out in the end.

 

And ND can play a weak schedule whenever they want and get in the BCS.

 

edit - or they can play what looks to be a good schedule and turns out to be weak (like last year, when two teams they played were ranked by the end of the season). The weak schedule can work in ND's favor just as much as it can in a conference team's favor.

 

Yes, but a team like Florida State can load up their OOC schedule with 3 tough games. If they win them, then they are the leader for the national title game. If they lose them all, their ability to make a BCS game is not impaired whatsoever, as they can still go out and win the ACC.

Divisions make that phenomenon even worse-when Nebraska beat Missouri and Kansas State, they could have finished with 4 losses in the Big 12 alone and still had a chance to go to the BCS A couple of years ago, a 6-5 Colorado team was one win away from heading to the BCS.

 

ND will have the advantage when people are comparing very good teams, but they will also have the disadvantage of never getting to back into a BCS bowl with a bad record like several teams have done either. If you're saying ND shouldn't have gotten in over teams like Wisconsin and Auburn who are ineligble, then while we're changing the rules we might as well make sure a team like Wake Forest can never get in either. I'm fine with either way-either they both should get in, or neither should get in.

[TruffleShuffle]

If you're saying ND shouldn't have gotten in over teams like Wisconsin and Auburn who are ineligble, then while we're changing the rules we might as well make sure a team like Wake Forest can never get in either.

 

So 11-2 Wake Forest shouldn't get in, but 10-2 ND can? Good example.

[CubColtPacer]

If you're saying ND shouldn't have gotten in over teams like Wisconsin and Auburn who are ineligble, then while we're changing the rules we might as well make sure a team like Wake Forest can never get in either.

 

So 11-2 Wake Forest shouldn't get in, but 10-2 ND can? Good example.

 

That's not what I said. If you want to change the rules so that ND should not be picked over Wisconsin and Auburn because they are ranked higher, then have both ND and Wake out. Wake gets in because of an advantage of being in a coference, and ND gets in because of an advantage of not being in a conference. Like I said in the last post-I don't care if you put them both in, or if you leave them both out-I'm just glad that they are consistent.

[SouthSideRyan]

I hope this leads to a Wake is better than ND debate. Cause that'd just be fantastic.

[TruffleShuffle]

I hope this leads to a Wake is better than ND debate. Cause that'd just be fantastic.

 

that'd be awful

[cubweiser03]

ND isnt going to be very good next year anyway, so they wont be effecting the BCS. The Conferences will probably review the 'no more than 2' thing criteria anyways. That made sense when there were only 4 BCS games (8 spots) in the past, but with the new NCG there are now 2 more spots available and we saw first hand how it shook out this year. Boise State would have to go undefeated every year to get into the BCS and how likely is that. So if you take out BSU and ND next year you better allow 3 from one conference as a possiblity. Heck i can see them putting together a 4 team playoff AND the 4 BCS games for a total of 12 'BCS Teams' as a next step to a playoff.

[Derwood]

USC had the best OOC schedule I saw all year (Arkansas, Nebraska, ND).

 

ND lost the only two good teams they played. Okay, Georgia Tech was pretty good, and that was a close game, and UCLA rose to the occasion against better teams.

[NewUserName]

USC had the best OOC schedule I saw all year (Arkansas, Nebraska, ND).

 

ND lost the only two good teams they played. Okay, Georgia Tech was pretty good, and that was a close game, and UCLA rose to the occasion against better teams.

 

 

USC had a better OOC schedule than all of the Elite SEC schools combined. The best 3 games the ranked SEC schools come up with are USC, Cal and Florida St. Not bad except we are talking from 5 schools.

[CubColtPacer]

ND isnt going to be very good next year anyway, so they wont be effecting the BCS. The Conferences will probably review the 'no more than 2' thing criteria anyways. That made sense when there were only 4 BCS games (8 spots) in the past, but with the new NCG there are now 2 more spots available and we saw first hand how it shook out this year. Boise State would have to go undefeated every year to get into the BCS and how likely is that. So if you take out BSU and ND next year you better allow 3 from one conference as a possiblity. Heck i can see them putting together a 4 team playoff AND the 4 BCS games for a total of 12 'BCS Teams' as a next step to a playoff.

 

I agree with this statement from top to bottom. Both ND and the minor conference will be likely out next year (down year for ND, and I don't see any minor conference teams ready to go undefeated next year), so if they do not change the rule then they could be finding themselves in a situation where there are no eligible teams to fill the remaining slots if they are not careful-the 2 per conference rule has to be abolished now that they have expanded the BCS games, or at least raised to 3.

[soccer10k]

ND isnt going to be very good next year anyway, so they wont be effecting the BCS. The Conferences will probably review the 'no more than 2' thing criteria anyways. That made sense when there were only 4 BCS games (8 spots) in the past, but with the new NCG there are now 2 more spots available and we saw first hand how it shook out this year. Boise State would have to go undefeated every year to get into the BCS and how likely is that. So if you take out BSU and ND next year you better allow 3 from one conference as a possiblity. Heck i can see them putting together a 4 team playoff AND the 4 BCS games for a total of 12 'BCS Teams' as a next step to a playoff.

 

I agree with this statement from top to bottom. Both ND and the minor conference will be likely out next year (down year for ND, and I don't see any minor conference teams ready to go undefeated next year), so if they do not change the rule then they could be finding themselves in a situation where there are no eligible teams to fill the remaining slots if they are not careful-the 2 per conference rule has to be abolished now that they have expanded the BCS games, or at least raised to 3.

 

I think it should be 3 per conference. Just like 2 out of 8 was okay, 3 out of 10 is fine as well.

[TruffleShuffle]

shut up michigan

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'll call it. ND/LSU will be the best game of the BCS. Louisville, Oklahoma and OSU will all win in walks.

 

And Michigan will beat up on USC too.

 

I had to bump this.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

LSU will beat ND by two scores.

 

Wanted to bump this too.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

But if as you guys say LSU clobbers ND and Wisconsin and Auburn handle their business, you can absolutely trash the Irish being in there. Lord knows they'd deserve it.

 

I REALLY want to win a bowl game and beat a top 25 team. Because I'm sick to death of both those stats.

 

This needed bumping too.

[sethuel1]

Hahahahahahahaha.

 

Oh, bumps for me....

 

I call all of these games sucking it both long and hard.

 

Check that. boise State vs. Oklahoma will be close.

 

We won't even bother bumping the "they don't deserve it" argument

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

We do have permission to trash the Irish for being there, however.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jesus, you're obnoxious. THere's gotta be a few posts from last year you could bump up too, cause if there's one thing that will create good conversation it's having a page full of nyah nyahs from the LSU/ND game.

[soccer10k]

Jesus, you're obnoxious. THere's gotta be a few posts from last year you could bump up too, cause if there's one thing that will create good conversation it's having a page full of nyah nyahs from the LSU/ND game.

 

I'm sure we could drudge up some predictions from vance about how LSU was going to beat Florida and Auburn this year.

[TruffleShuffle]

bitter notre dame fan face