ESPN 1000 - Cubs are going after Schmidt next

[WrigleyField 22]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

why would a FA sign a deal when there is someone out there that plays the same position and is on a deadline to get a deal done? obviously we cant look at what Mats signs for and equate it to what the market will bear, but it will give a general ballpark range. adding Mats posting price to the total deal he recieves and dividing by years is where i'd expect the bidding to begin for my services, if i were Schmidt. yes the sox have him over a barrel, but when you consider that they have already commited 50+ million to sign him, the Sox are going to be paying alot/year to retain his services. as an established front line starter, Schmidt would be a fool to take less...i dont see him signing anywhere till the other deal(Sox/Mats) is done

 

Well if the bid and contract really were setting the table:

51 Mil plus $10Mil year?

3 yrs 81 = 27 M/year

4 yrs 91 = 22.75 M/year

5 yrs 101 = 20.2 M/year

According to you, the bidding starts there.

 

If thats setting the table this market market has gone crazy and Soriano is a steal.

DING DING DING DING we have a winner!!!!

 

EDIT...maybe thats not where the bidding starts, but if im a proven front of the rotation pitcher, i want to see how that shakes out b4 i even begin to entertain suitors

 

I don't want to imagine what happens if a deal isn't worked out:

51 mil/0 years...

 

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I'll be back, my head hurts too much right now..

[Yeti]

 

I don't want to imagine what happens if a deal isn't worked out:

51 mil/0 years...

 

Cant

 

Divide

 

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Zero

 

I'll be back, my head hurts too much right now..

 

if no deal gets worked out, Schmidt loses nothing by waiting

[Guest]

if he doesn't sign a deal, the sox pay nothing.

[Guest]

 

I don't want to imagine what happens if a deal isn't worked out:

51 mil/0 years...

 

Cant

 

Divide

 

By

 

Zero

 

I'll be back, my head hurts too much right now..

 

if no deal gets worked out, Schmidt loses nothing by waiting

he could lose the 12 year $212 million Hendry offers him tomorrow in a take it or leave it deal.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I don't want to imagine what happens if a deal isn't worked out:

51 mil/0 years...

 

Cant

 

Divide

 

By

 

Zero

 

I'll be back, my head hurts too much right now..

 

if no deal gets worked out, Schmidt loses nothing by waiting

he could lose the 12 year $212 million Hendry offers him tomorrow in a take it or leave it deal.

 

Not even passing ARods contract? For shame.

[Yeti]

 

I don't want to imagine what happens if a deal isn't worked out:

51 mil/0 years...

 

Cant

 

Divide

 

By

 

Zero

 

I'll be back, my head hurts too much right now..

 

if no deal gets worked out, Schmidt loses nothing by waiting

he could lose the 12 year $212 million Hendry offers him tomorrow in a take it or leave it deal.

:lmao:

[WrigleyField 22]

if he doesn't sign a deal, the sox pay nothing.

 

Yea, but the posting price was still $51M. Either way, 0 mil/0 years comes to the same problem.

 

Players will be throwing out unreal numbers!

 

I want the square root of negative 64 million!

[Careless]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

why would a FA sign a deal when there is someone out there that plays the same position and is on a deadline to get a deal done? obviously we cant look at what Mats signs for and equate it to what the market will bear, but it will give a general ballpark range. adding Mats posting price to the total deal he recieves and dividing by years is where i'd expect the bidding to begin for my services, if i were Schmidt. yes the sox have him over a barrel, but when you consider that they have already commited 50+ million to sign him, the Sox are going to be paying alot/year to retain his services. as an established front line starter, Schmidt would be a fool to take less...i dont see him signing anywhere till the other deal(Sox/Mats) is done

Because Boston has leverage that no other team will have with a top pitcher. Can have with a top pitcher. They lose nothing by not signing him as long as their offer is respectable. And what's respectable? Hard to say, isn't it? He's a rookie, and they usually don't make $15 a season.

Add in that this guy is much younger than the other pitchers and the huge posting fee, they're going to try to sign him to a much longer contract than anyone should be willing to give schmidt.

I just think his situation is too different

[Careless]

if he doesn't sign a deal, the sox pay nothing.

 

Yea, but the posting price was still $51M. Either way, 0 mil/0 years comes to the same problem.

 

Players will be throwing out unreal numbers!

 

I want the square root of negative 64 million!

I'm never coming to the transactions forum again if a player gets signed to a contract involving $i

[nyte11]

 

I don't want to imagine what happens if a deal isn't worked out:

51 mil/0 years...

 

Cant

 

Divide

 

By

 

Zero

 

I'll be back, my head hurts too much right now..

 

if no deal gets worked out, Schmidt loses nothing by waiting

he could lose the 12 year $212 million Hendry offers him tomorrow in a take it or leave it deal.

 

I don't hardly ever chime in on anything, I enjoy this message board like Playboy for the articles. But dammit thats funny! I about spit out my milkshake all over the keyboard. Thanks for the humor...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Cubs sign Schmidt, I'm not certain we'd even need to acquire another pitcher.

 

Zambrano and Schmidt would top the rotation. That would be as good as any team's 1-2.

 

Hill would be at number three. While there is some questions about him, he should do ok there. Furthermore, even if he's below what is normally expected of a 3, the ability of our 1-2 would cover for some deficiencies.

 

For the fourth spot, Prior/Miller would be ok. If both are healthy and productive, the rotation is complete. If Prior returns to 2003-2004 form, then we have three aces with a decent four in Hill with Miller in the fifth spot.

 

For the fifth spot, I'd use Marshall. The other arms of Marmol, Mateo, and Guzman create some depth if Marshall suffers injury or struggles.

 

Schmidt makes the top so much better, the Cubs could afford more gambles in the lower half. If instead of Schmidt, we end up with Padilla or Meche or another second tier guy, a second pitcher would be needed because we wouldn't have the strength at the top.

[sethuel1]

If the Cubs sign Schmidt, I'm not certain we'd even need to acquire another pitcher.

 

Zambrano and Schmidt would top the rotation. That would be as good as any team's 1-2.

 

Hill would be at number three. While there is some questions about him, he should do ok there. Furthermore, even if he's below what is normally expected of a 3, the ability of our 1-2 would cover for some deficiencies.

 

For the fourth spot, Prior/Miller would be ok. If both are healthy and productive, the rotation is complete. If Prior returns to 2003-2004 form, then we have three aces with a decent four in Hill with Miller in the fifth spot.

 

For the fifth spot, I'd use Marshall. The other arms of Marmol, Mateo, and Guzman create some depth if Marshall suffers injury or struggles.

 

Schmidt makes the top so much better, the Cubs could afford more gambles in the lower half. If instead of Schmidt, we end up with Padilla or Meche or another second tier guy, a second pitcher would be needed because we wouldn't have the strength at the top.

 

agreed. Schmidt makes it solid.

[Shilzzz]

If the Cubs sign Schmidt, I'm not certain we'd even need to acquire another pitcher.

 

Zambrano and Schmidt would top the rotation. That would be as good as any team's 1-2.

 

Hill would be at number three. While there is some questions about him, he should do ok there. Furthermore, even if he's below what is normally expected of a 3, the ability of our 1-2 would cover for some deficiencies.

 

For the fourth spot, Prior/Miller would be ok. If both are healthy and productive, the rotation is complete. If Prior returns to 2003-2004 form, then we have three aces with a decent four in Hill with Miller in the fifth spot.

 

For the fifth spot, I'd use Marshall. The other arms of Marmol, Mateo, and Guzman create some depth if Marshall suffers injury or struggles.

 

Schmidt makes the top so much better, the Cubs could afford more gambles in the lower half. If instead of Schmidt, we end up with Padilla or Meche or another second tier guy, a second pitcher would be needed because we wouldn't have the strength at the top.

 

maybe it's greedy, but i still want one more pitcher. i just have a hard time slotting hill into the #3 spot from the get go(not that i'm the one doing it, just saying).

 

give me schmidt + westbrook please.

[Butterscup1679666578]

If the Cubs sign Schmidt, I'm not certain we'd even need to acquire another pitcher.

 

Zambrano and Schmidt would top the rotation. That would be as good as any team's 1-2.

 

Hill would be at number three. While there is some questions about him, he should do ok there. Furthermore, even if he's below what is normally expected of a 3, the ability of our 1-2 would cover for some deficiencies.

 

For the fourth spot, Prior/Miller would be ok. If both are healthy and productive, the rotation is complete. If Prior returns to 2003-2004 form, then we have three aces with a decent four in Hill with Miller in the fifth spot.

 

For the fifth spot, I'd use Marshall. The other arms of Marmol, Mateo, and Guzman create some depth if Marshall suffers injury or struggles.

 

Schmidt makes the top so much better, the Cubs could afford more gambles in the lower half. If instead of Schmidt, we end up with Padilla or Meche or another second tier guy, a second pitcher would be needed because we wouldn't have the strength at the top.

 

That would be solid, and probably tolerable for me, but I think I'd rather deal one of those guys for some bench help, maybe a SS, and make the Izturis-Eyre/Ohman deal for Westbrook, leaving this:

 

Z

Schmidt

Westbrook

Hill

Prior/Miller

[JeffH]

If the Cubs sign Schmidt, I'm not certain we'd even need to acquire another pitcher.

 

Couldn't disagree more.

 

Hill could be a Cy Young candidate, but he could completely fall apart.

 

Right now, Prior and Miller constitute essentially nothing. Prior could be great, but he could also never be heard from again. Miller could improve to decent status, but he could be Estesish.

 

I like Marshall, but he shouldn't be opening the year in the rotation of a team which supposedly has championship hopes.

 

Schmidt, then Westbrook or Jennings. Lilly isn't a favorite of mine, but he wouldn't hurt my feelings. Meche would offend my delicate sensibilities.

[Neuby]

If the cubs manage to get a center fielder that can add to the already potent lineup and find a way to replace Izzy with a warm body we could get by with just Schmidt. I wouldn't mind if Hendry threw some low-base high incentive deals out there to Marquis and Mulder.

 

Z

Schmidt

Hill

Miller/Prior/Marshall/Marquis/Mulder/Guzman/Mateo/Omalley/Gallegher

 

There's a lot of talent competing for those last two spots but also a lot of injury questions but the Cubs could gamble on these guys instead of throwing a long term deal at a guy like Lilly. With the strength of the pen and the offense Hendry could decide to see if any of those arms get healthy enough by the all-star break to make it a moot point. It won't be like last year where if are pitchers weren't perfect or healthy we would be sunk in the standings in June.

[shnsajax]

Schimdt and Westbrook would put the rotation over the top.

 

2 front line Aces, a solid starter who will give you 200 innings, a 2nd year starter who could post a sub 3.50 era and win 12+ games, then Mark Prior. I would be flat out amazed if Hendry had the Cubs starting 2007 with that.

[Warpticon]

Hopefully, the speculation ends when the Cubs win the bid for Igawa and sign Schmidt.

[Jazz]

Hopefully, the speculation ends when the Cubs win the bid for Igawa and sign Schmidt.

 

Schmidt, Igawa, and Westbrook anyone? :D

[Guest]

too many injury risks for my taste vance. a couple of those guys go down, and they are all big risks with the exception of hill, and you end up with last year - hoping those guys have matured enough to be better.

[UMFan83]

I really don't like seeing people including Prior in their projected rotations for next year. Not going to happen folks

[XZero771679666304]

I really don't like seeing people including Prior in their projected rotations for next year. Not going to happen folks

 

I believe Prior+Miller= 1 rotation spot

[soccer10k]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

why would a FA sign a deal when there is someone out there that plays the same position and is on a deadline to get a deal done? obviously we cant look at what Mats signs for and equate it to what the market will bear, but it will give a general ballpark range. adding Mats posting price to the total deal he recieves and dividing by years is where i'd expect the bidding to begin for my services, if i were Schmidt. yes the sox have him over a barrel, but when you consider that they have already commited 50+ million to sign him, the Sox are going to be paying alot/year to retain his services. as an established front line starter, Schmidt would be a fool to take less...i dont see him signing anywhere till the other deal(Sox/Mats) is done

 

The difference is Matsuzaka doesn't have much leverage. The Red Sox don't have to worry about him going anywhere but back to Japan. They're not bidding against any other team. It's likely that multiple teams are interested in Schmidt so he can use that as leverage.

 

Plus don't the Sox have 40 days to negotiate with Matsuzaka? Schmidt isn't going to wait that long before signing.

[Guest]

dont expect anything to happen here until after the BoSox and Mats work something out, this will set the bar for FA pitchers this offseason

Why? he's not a FA, the red sox have him over a barrel.

that situation is too disconnected to make a big impact, I'd think

why would a FA sign a deal when there is someone out there that plays the same position and is on a deadline to get a deal done? obviously we cant look at what Mats signs for and equate it to what the market will bear, but it will give a general ballpark range. adding Mats posting price to the total deal he recieves and dividing by years is where i'd expect the bidding to begin for my services, if i were Schmidt. yes the sox have him over a barrel, but when you consider that they have already commited 50+ million to sign him, the Sox are going to be paying alot/year to retain his services. as an established front line starter, Schmidt would be a fool to take less...i dont see him signing anywhere till the other deal(Sox/Mats) is done

 

The difference is Matsuzaka doesn't have much leverage. The Red Sox don't have to worry about him going anywhere but back to Japan. They're not bidding against any other team. It's likely that multiple teams are interested in Schmidt so he can use that as leverage.

 

Plus don't the Sox have 40 days to negotiate with Matsuzaka? Schmidt isn't going to wait that long before signing.

 

 

30 days I believe soccer. When is the offering arbitration deadline? Or has that passed? I don't see him signing before then.

[nilodnayr]

No thanks on signing a soon to be 34 year old who's past his prime to a huge contract.

 

It definitely depends on the contract, but from reports the marginal production between Schmidt and the likes of Lilly/Meche/Suppan FAR outweigh the marginal difference in their contracts. Thats how you have to look at it. The second tier of FAs are really no better than #4 guys in the rotation but will get contracts that are only 5M or so cheaper than Schmidt. And outside of 2005 hes pretty much been an Ace.