Fox Sports: Ramirez SIGNS WITH CUBS!

[Guest]

At what point do we say forget 2007 and let's look next year's FA list?

I don't know about anyone else, but for me that point came about four months ago.

[ZMovieman]

A little off topic, but still applying to Aramis: did anyone see the poll at Cubs.com? It asked which Cubs free agent they most would like to see retained. At the time I voted, Aramis led with 74% of the vote (rightfully), with 0% for Wade Miller and 5% for Juan Pierre and Kerry Wood each. But how in the heck did Henry Blanco wind up with 16% of the vote!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A little off topic, but still applying to Aramis: did anyone see the poll at Cubs.com? It asked which Cubs free agent they most would like to see retained. At the time I voted, Aramis led with 74% of the vote (rightfully), with 0% for Wade Miller and 5% for Juan Pierre and Kerry Wood each. But how in the heck did Henry Blanco wind up with 16% of the vote!

 

Henry has a large family.

[circlecitycub]

A little off topic, but still applying to Aramis: did anyone see the poll at Cubs.com? It asked which Cubs free agent they most would like to see retained. At the time I voted, Aramis led with 74% of the vote (rightfully), with 0% for Wade Miller and 5% for Juan Pierre and Kerry Wood each. But how in the heck did Henry Blanco wind up with 16% of the vote!

 

Must be the Hank White fan club in full effect.

[Outshined_One]

A little off topic, but still applying to Aramis: did anyone see the poll at Cubs.com? It asked which Cubs free agent they most would like to see retained. At the time I voted, Aramis led with 74% of the vote (rightfully), with 0% for Wade Miller and 5% for Juan Pierre and Kerry Wood each. But how in the heck did Henry Blanco wind up with 16% of the vote!

 

Henry has a large family.

 

Zambrano must be busy on his laptop again.

[rsmoler]

I know we're all anxious for Hendry to sign Ramirez, but I don't see the need to rush. Ramirez is demanding top dollar and probably won't settle for less. Hendry can give him his money any time until November 11 and Ramirez will probably take it. If I'm Hendry, I'd certainly see what other options exist for me over the next week and if nothing materializes, he can always pay Ramirez.

 

Everyone's been focusing on Tejada and ARod, but whose to say Hendry couldn't put a package together and get Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera from the Marlins. Both of those guys are getting very expensive for the Marlins and I'm betting some kind of package that included Rich Hill, Donald Veal, Felix Pie and one or two other players out of Jones, Ohman, Wuertz, Aardsma, etc. would be of interest. Would you trade a bunch of young players and let ARam go if we could secure Willis and Cabrera?

[BigbadB]

I know we're all anxious for Hendry to sign Ramirez, but I don't see the need to rush. Ramirez is demanding top dollar and probably won't settle for less. Hendry can give him his money any time until November 11 and Ramirez will probably take it. If I'm Hendry, I'd certainly see what other options exist for me over the next week and if nothing materializes, he can always pay Ramirez.

 

Everyone's been focusing on Tejada and ARod, but whose to say Hendry couldn't put a package together and get Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera from the Marlins. Both of those guys are getting very expensive for the Marlins and I'm betting some kind of package that included Rich Hill, Donald Veal, Felix Pie and one or two other players out of Jones, Ohman, Wuertz, Aardsma, etc. would be of interest. Would you trade a bunch of young players and let ARam go if we could secure Willis and Cabrera?

 

That scenario vaguely reminds me of when Hendry kicked Nomar to the curb while he rolled out the red carpet for Rafael Furcal. That sure didn't work out too well.

[rawaction]

Would you trade a bunch of young players and let ARam go if we could secure Willis and Cabrera?

 

No. Because if a player like Cabrera is available, Ramirez shouldn't hinder them from going after him. I know you were getting at that the Cubs aren't dead if they lose out of Ramirez, Arod and Tejada....but the bottom line is you sign Ramirez first and you still have the money for the 2 at SS and Cabrera in the OF.

[rsmoler]

I think Nomar was out the door regardless of what happened with any other player. He's really not a shortstop anymore and we had ARam playing third, Walker/Hairston/Neifi at second and DLee playing first. I don't think Hendry viewed Nomar as an outfielder, so where did that leave him. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cubs sign Nomar for third if ARam leaves.

 

I do agree with the person that intimated that the Cubs would be better off spending their money on two solid starting pitchers, a great outfielder and a stopgap at third then pouring all their resources into ARam. That having been said, I'd have no problem giving Ramirez 5 yrs/$75 and going after 2 pitchers and a stopgap in center. With Barrett, Ramirez, Jones, Murton and a full year of DLee, the Cubs should have enough offense. Got to have a great bench though to guard against injuries. Scott Spezio anyone?

[nilodnayr]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/10/unfounded_rumor.html

 

Haven't seen this posted anywhere...some very very good news.

[Soriano12]

If that is true...just give him the $$$ Hendry.

 

You had no qualms about pissing away 7 million in combined salaries via

Rusch,Nefi,Miller last season.

 

what is the big deal about overpaying for Aram? The guy is a consistent RBI machine.

[VanceJergins]

If that is true...just give him the $$$ Hendry.

 

You had no qualms about pissing away 7 million in combined salaries via

Rusch,Nefi,Miller last season.

 

what is the big deal about overpaying for Aram? The guy is a consistent RBI machine.

 

I agree...if that unfounded rumor is true there's no reason this shouldnt get done. But as for saying Hendry "had no qualms about pissing away 7 million in combined salaries via Rusch,Nefi,Miller last season." I think the argument is better if you leave Miller off that list. He was only 1 million and could have been a big boost, I think that was a good deal for Hendry. I'm nitpicking, but wanted to point that out.

[Chocolate Milk]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

[E.J.]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

 

Yeah, I just read that. I was thinking about sending Mr. Couch an email. :club:

[CubColtPacer]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

 

Wow-that's all I have to say to that. I guess everybody has their scapegoat, and I guess it is Ramirez for him. I could at least accept that as his opinion if he then didn't want to go out and re-sign Pierre even if I don't agree with him. The fact that he can't even be consistent drains the remaining credibility that the rest of the article works so hard to destroy.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm still laughing at the level of idiocy reached in that article.

[soapy]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

 

OH JESUS!! I'm going to freaking lose it. What a sham.

 

When people used to say that Sammy Sosa's 60 homers were all hit at meaningless times, I used to laugh at such a stupid thought. But, really, Ramirez's homers were, in fact, all meaningless.

 

So you laugh about said "meaningless" arguement...and then make said arguement. Cool.

 

No, there are better ways to spend $15 million. For example, Alfonso Soriano apparently wants $17 million.

 

Three year splits

Soriano: .275/.329/.519 (will be 31 years old in January)

A. Ramirez: .304/.361/.569 (28 years old)

 

So, Mr. Couch, your solution is to deny $15 to Ramirez and instead spend $17 on Soriano who is a) older; and b) less productive.

 

YOU ARE A GENIUS!!

 

Edit: I just noticed that the stats I pulled off of ESPN are 2004-2006 for Soriano, but 2003-2005 for Ramirez. If you factor in 2006 for Ramirez, it's probably even more lopsided.

Edited November 1, 2006 by soapy

[soapy]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

 

Wow-that's all I have to say to that. I guess everybody has their scapegoat, and I guess it is Ramirez for him. I could at least accept that as his opinion if he then didn't want to go out and re-sign Pierre even if I don't agree with him. The fact that he can't even be consistent drains the remaining credibility that the rest of the article works so hard to destroy.

It's not just him!! People are piling on this whole "Ramirez is lazy" story because one person ran with it and they are either too stupid or too lazy to come up with their own stories (see: Eckstein or Arod).

[CubsInNC]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

 

OH JESUS!! I'm going to freaking lose it. What a sham.

 

When people used to say that Sammy Sosa's 60 homers were all hit at meaningless times, I used to laugh at such a stupid thought. But, really, Ramirez's homers were, in fact, all meaningless.

 

So you laugh about said "meaningless" arguement...and then make said arguement. Cool.

 

No, there are better ways to spend $15 million. For example, Alfonso Soriano apparently wants $17 million.

 

Three year splits

Soriano: .275/.329/.519 (will be 31 years old in January)

A. Ramirez: .304/.361/.569 (28 years old)

 

So, Mr. Couch, your solution is to deny $15 to Ramirez and instead spend $17 on Soriano who is a) older; and b) less productive.

 

YOU ARE A GENIUS!!

 

http://www.dhadm.com/images/uploads/guinness_6pack_thumb.jpg

 

Brilliant!!!

[CubColtPacer]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

 

Wow-that's all I have to say to that. I guess everybody has their scapegoat, and I guess it is Ramirez for him. I could at least accept that as his opinion if he then didn't want to go out and re-sign Pierre even if I don't agree with him. The fact that he can't even be consistent drains the remaining credibility that the rest of the article works so hard to destroy.

It's not just him!! People are piling on this whole "Ramirez is lazy" story because one person ran with it and they are either too stupid or too lazy to come up with their own stories (see: Eckstein or Arod).

 

That's true. I guess if this writer is that lazy, maybe he shouldn't be asking for a raise anytime soon, or else his boss might throw this article, especially the first couple sentences, back at him-wouldn't that be poetic justice? :D

[CoolHandLuke]

When people used to say that Sammy Sosa's 60 homers were all hit at meaningless times, I used to laugh at such a stupid thought. But, really, Ramirez's homers were, in fact, all meaningless.

 

I guess you could also probably argue that anything any player does on any team besides the world series champions is meaningless.

[goonys evil twin]

When people used to say that Sammy Sosa's 60 homers were all hit at meaningless times, I used to laugh at such a stupid thought. But, really, Ramirez's homers were, in fact, all meaningless.

 

I guess you could also probably argue that anything any player does on any team besides the world series champions is meaningless.

 

Derrek Lee's 2005 was meaningless.

[Laura]

I'm amused that Couch doesn't want Aramis signed because of his attitude but is A-OK with trading for Sheff & signing Soriano.

[soapy]

When people used to say that Sammy Sosa's 60 homers were all hit at meaningless times, I used to laugh at such a stupid thought. But, really, Ramirez's homers were, in fact, all meaningless.

 

I guess you could also probably argue that anything any player does on any team besides the world series champions is meaningless.

 

Derrek Lee's 2005 was meaningless.

Don't forget Ramirez' 2003 playoffs and September 2004 (yes, I'm going to keep saying this over, and over, and over).

[VanceJergins]

This article makes me want to punch faces.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/couch/118987,CST-SPT-greg01.article

 

I know that line from Billy Madison about incoherent rambling that has made everyone stupider for hearing it is WAAAAY over used and is just kind of annoying now.....but its never fit better.