Fox Sports: Ramirez SIGNS WITH CUBS!

[YearofDaCubs]

I think 18mil for ARam is excessive. I wouldn't give him more than 15. We lose ARam and we're done for.

[BigbadB]

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

 

So, because you say I can't use that against Hendry, I can't? Okay. How foolish of me to think that the GM of a major league baseball team can't lock down the necessary players to keep the team competitive for years to come. How foolish of me not to realize EVERY other single player in MLB has an opt out clause.

 

That contract was signed quite some time ago. Hendry has had plenty of time to work out a new arrangement to avoid having Aramis opt out of this deal when he did.

 

Aramis is no longer the property of the Chicago Cubs. He's free to sign wherever he wants. He's free to sign for however much he wants.

 

Hendry basically just put himself in a position to pay top dollar for a free agent that he had under his own control. I can understand paying top dollar to lure a free agent away from another team, like Vlady or Beltran a few years back. It's totally different being one of 30 teams making an offer in comparison to working out an arrangement before the 29 other teams have a chance to outbid you.

 

I'll be absolutely shocked if Aramis is wearing a Cub uniform in 2007.

 

The ball is definitely in Aramis' court now. But, no one can sit there and tell me that the ball was never in Hendry's court and have me believe it.

[rocket]

aramis is my favorite offensive cub player. i'll be really mad if we lose him.

[Pinktermite]

We'll never know the real story, the Cubs can contain a secret better than the NSA. It's simple: resign Aramis for up to 15mil, or our goose is cooked for the new World Series goal for next year...as if it wasn't already.

[YearofDaCubs]

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

 

So, because you say I can't use that against Hendry, I can't? Okay. How foolish of me to think that the GM of a major league baseball team can't lock down the necessary players to keep the team competitive for years to come. How foolish of me not to realize EVERY other single player in MLB has an opt out clause.

 

That contract was signed quite some time ago. Hendry has had plenty of time to work out a new arrangement to avoid having Aramis opt out of this deal when he did.

 

Aramis is no longer the property of the Chicago Cubs. He's free to sign wherever he wants. He's free to sign for however much he wants.

 

Hendry basically just put himself in a position to pay top dollar for a free agent that he had under his own control. I can understand paying top dollar to lure a free agent away from another team, like Vlady or Beltran a few years back. It's totally different being one of 30 teams making an offer in comparison to working out an arrangement before the 29 other teams have a chance to outbid you.

 

I'll be absolutely shocked if Aramis is wearing a Cub uniform in 2007.

 

The ball is definitely in Aramis' court now. But, no one can sit there and tell me that the ball was never in Hendry's court and have me believe it.

Bringing back Hendry back for another year is already starting to spell disaster. Please for the love of God somebody get this lazy fat pos GM out of here already. He's terrible!

[UMFan83]

I think 18mil for ARam is excessive. I wouldn't give him more than 15. We lose ARam and we're done for.

 

You seem to be supporting two opposite arguments in this post

[Balsa]

aramis is my favorite offensive cub player. i'll be really mad if we lose him.

Not only that, but his defense was WAY improved this year.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

From earlier reports, it sounds like MacPhail was the lead on the Aramis negotiations and giving the opt-out clause. MacPhail should be blamed for that, not Hendry.

 

Aramis was going to opt out no matter what. He'd be stupid not to. If Hendry was able to get Aramis to re-sign before he opted out, he would have had to have paid out a ridiculous contract that would have upset even the most ardent sign-Aramis backer. Aramis had all the leverage in the world and would likely have spurned any offer before he had the chance to opt out. I can't blame Hendry for anything that has happened thus far. But now, the ball is in Hendry's court. He has two weeks of exclusive negotiation time and if he fails during this time, then he deserves the blame if Aramis walks away.

 

And the Cubs should just blow it up if Aramis doesn't return. Making up his production AND adding the needed pitching and hitting to contend would be far too difficult for any GM in one offseason, let alone one like Hendry who has struggled mightily at times.

[mg420]

and to think that the angels might have been willing to give a package of santana, izturis & aybar for aram just a few short months ago.

 

if he walks it will be a calamity of epic proportions.

[cubs121]

hey i have a question... Isnt Aramis supposed to be at Walt Disney, with a some other players in like december?

[Outshined_One]

hey i have a question... Isnt Aramis supposed to be at Walt Disney, with a some other players in like december?

 

His agent probably isn't with him at the moment.

[ZFan38]

I can't see the Cubs letting ARam go not after saying that they will raise payroll and try to compete next year. How could the Cubs possibly compete without ARam? But then then again this is Jim Hendry at work so you never know. I just hope to God that we don't lose him.

[Mizzou]

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

 

So, because you say I can't use that against Hendry, I can't? Okay. How foolish of me to think that the GM of a major league baseball team can't lock down the necessary players to keep the team competitive for years to come. How foolish of me not to realize EVERY other single player in MLB has an opt out clause.

You're free to do whatever you like. If you want to "lynch" Hendry for agreeing to include an opt out clause, that's your prerogative and you're certainly entitled to it. I just look at it from an outsider's perspective... and I see it as a product of a negotiation. There are many reasons why Jim Hendry shouldn't be the Cubs GM. Agreeing to an opt out clause is certainly not one of them. In my opinion, of course.

[abuck1220]

I think 18mil for ARam is excessive. I wouldn't give him more than 15. We lose ARam and we're done for.

 

wow, you're all over the place there.

[Sammy Sofa]

No, it's not. Not at all. You have no idea what Aramis and his agent dropped from their request after Hendry agreed (not suggested) to include an opt out clause. Maybe they were asking for a hell of a lot more money. You have no idea. And therefore you can't use it against Hendry.

 

So, because you say I can't use that against Hendry, I can't? Okay. How foolish of me to think that the GM of a major league baseball team can't lock down the necessary players to keep the team competitive for years to come. How foolish of me not to realize EVERY other single player in MLB has an opt out clause.

 

That contract was signed quite some time ago. Hendry has had plenty of time to work out a new arrangement to avoid having Aramis opt out of this deal when he did.

 

Aramis is no longer the property of the Chicago Cubs. He's free to sign wherever he wants. He's free to sign for however much he wants.

 

Hendry basically just put himself in a position to pay top dollar for a free agent that he had under his own control. I can understand paying top dollar to lure a free agent away from another team, like Vlady or Beltran a few years back. It's totally different being one of 30 teams making an offer in comparison to working out an arrangement before the 29 other teams have a chance to outbid you.

 

I'll be absolutely shocked if Aramis is wearing a Cub uniform in 2007.

 

The ball is definitely in Aramis' court now. But, no one can sit there and tell me that the ball was never in Hendry's court and have me believe it.

Bringing back Hendry back for another year is already starting to spell disaster. Please for the love of God somebody get this lazy fat pos GM out of here already. He's terrible!

 

So if Hendry hadn't been extended or had been fired after this last season, Aramis wouldn't have opted out?

 

I don't understand how this situation is any more of a "disaster" under him or any other possible GM at this moment. I don't believe for a second Aramis would have accepted any offer before he could opt out short of something insanely huge.

[RynoRules]

From earlier reports, it sounds like MacPhail was the lead on the Aramis negotiations and giving the opt-out clause. MacPhail should be blamed for that, not Hendry.

 

Aramis was going to opt out no matter what. He'd be stupid not to. If Hendry was able to get Aramis to re-sign before he opted out, he would have had to have paid out a ridiculous contract that would have upset even the most ardent sign-Aramis backer. Aramis had all the leverage in the world and would likely have spurned any offer before he had the chance to opt out. I can't blame Hendry for anything that has happened thus far. But now, the ball is in Hendry's court. He has two weeks of exclusive negotiation time and if he fails during this time, then he deserves the blame if Aramis walks away.

 

And the Cubs should just blow it up if Aramis doesn't return. Making up his production AND adding the needed pitching and hitting to contend would be far too difficult for any GM in one offseason, let alone one like Hendry who has struggled mightily at times.

 

QFT - Aramis would have been flat out dumb to not opt out. Its a win-win for him; a no-brainer. If I were Aramis I wouldn't take anything Hendry offered me before I filed. He probably just made $10-$15 mill more by filing, and if Hendry doesn't pony it up you know that someone else will.

[Yeti]

From earlier reports, it sounds like MacPhail was the lead on the Aramis negotiations and giving the opt-out clause. MacPhail should be blamed for that, not Hendry.

 

Aramis was going to opt out no matter what. He'd be stupid not to. If Hendry was able to get Aramis to re-sign before he opted out, he would have had to have paid out a ridiculous contract that would have upset even the most ardent sign-Aramis backer. Aramis had all the leverage in the world and would likely have spurned any offer before he had the chance to opt out. I can't blame Hendry for anything that has happened thus far. But now, the ball is in Hendry's court. He has two weeks of exclusive negotiation time and if he fails during this time, then he deserves the blame if Aramis walks away.

 

And the Cubs should just blow it up if Aramis doesn't return. Making up his production AND adding the needed pitching and hitting to contend would be far too difficult for any GM in one offseason, let alone one like Hendry who has struggled mightily at times.

 

QFT - Aramis would have been flat out dumb to not opt out. Its a win-win for him; a no-brainer. If I were Aramis I wouldn't take anything Hendry offered me before I filed. He probably just made $10-$15 mill more by filing, and if Hendry doesn't pony it up you know that someone else will.

we'll see how much he wants to stay in Chi

[UBlink]

we'll see how much he wants to stay in Chi

 

Alternatively, we'll see how much the Cubs want him to stay in Chicago. If the Cubs won't match any offer he can get on the open market, especially after they've proclaimed their willingness to increase payroll, then we'll know the Cubs really don't want him.

 

If ARam takes a lower contract to play for someone else then I'll blame him.

[Yeti]

we'll see how much he wants to stay in Chi

 

Alternatively, we'll see how much the Cubs want him to stay in Chicago. If the Cubs won't match any offer he can get on the open market, especially after they've proclaimed their willingness to increase payroll, then we'll know the Cubs really don't want him.

 

If ARam takes a lower contract to play for someone else then I'll blame him.

i cant help but think the cubs wont match any reasonable offer, if in fact the cubs are really dedicated to winning this year...

[ronsanto10]

is it just me, or dont any of you remember how Aram picked up the slack when D-Lee got hurt?? all i remember is him dogging it and slacking?? I dont think he deserves D-Lee money, he's not a D-lee type player, hes a second tier guy, not a team leader, which he proved when Lee got hurt...so im not too sad that he opted out...do i want him back? yeah if he starts to hustle, if not, i wont be too sad if he goes....

[bhogg]

statistically, he's as good and maybe better than DLee.

 

DLee had the one outstanding year.

[rocket]

is it just me, or dont any of you remember how Aram picked up the slack when D-Lee got hurt?? all i remember is him dogging it and slacking?? I dont think he deserves D-Lee money, he's not a D-lee type player, hes a second tier guy, not a team leader, which he proved when Lee got hurt...so im not too sad that he opted out...do i want him back? yeah if he starts to hustle, if not, i wont be too sad if he goes....

 

remember how d-lee started off cold in 2004, when prior was hurt? if he would have produced more during that time, the cubs might have won 91 games and the wild card.

[synergy]

All I know is Hendry better overpay for Ramirez. Because if he loses Ramirez, they should just completely rebuild with young guys. Trade away Lee and Zambrano, because I'm sure they don't want to be part of any more rebuilding plans. They will surely give us some top of the line prospects. The problem with the rebuilding mode is we got the wrong manager for that type. We should have gotten Joe Girardi if we were going to rebuild. I can see many avenues of disaster for 2007.

[n l doormat]

ronsanto10 wrote:

is it just me, or dont any of you remember how Aram picked up the slack when D-Lee got hurt??

all i remember is him dogging it and slacking?? I dont think he deserves D-Lee money, he's not a D-lee type player, hes a second tier guy, not a team leader, which he proved when Lee got hurt...so im not too sad that he opted out..do i want him back? yeah if he starts to hustle, if not, i wont be too sad if he goes....

 

 

I have a feeling you should probably duck...

[Soriano12]

Dodgers are interested in Aram?

 

Don't they have Wilson Betemit already?

 

He is gonna be a good one IMO.