College Football - Week of 10/21

[CuseCubFan69]

Well Auburn is blowing out a terrible Tulane team....looks like they should move to #2 now. Washington beating Cal makes the SEC not look so good now since that's their only big win out of conference.

 

Auburn #2? They lost a game.

 

I was being sarcastic. The SEC is so good they might as well just have the top 2 teams play for he National Championship.

 

it's not that good, but it's the best conference in college football. it's hard to argue otherwise.

 

Why?

 

Because Auburn, Florida, LSU and Tennessee are all very good teams; Arkansas may be in that group, and South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama all have very good defenses and can be dangerous to any of the teams above. Even Vandy has won at Georgia and played Arkansas tough. Ole Miss has been pretty competitive too... only Mississippi State and Kentucky pretty much suck.

 

Other conferences? ACC is way down this year; only Clemson and perhaps Ga Tech can be considered really good teams. UNC and Duke are atrocious, and NC St, Maryland, Virginia and hell even Miami are mediocre.

 

The Big East has two top teams - WVU and Louisville. Pitt got hammered at home by Michigan State and is 6-1 because all the other teams they've played are crappy. Rutgers' best win is over Navy. USF is mediocre and Syracuse, UConn and Cincy are all pretty bad.

 

I'll do the others later.

 

I think it proves my point when all you talk about the SEC beating are the teams in its own conference. Also, the 4 "bad" Big East gave the upper eschelon of other conferences tough games while the SEC bottom teams got blown out by about every other big name conference so at least the BE bottom teams are competitive. Cincy gave Ohio State one of it's closest games of the year. And whether you know or not Rutgers is a really good team.

 

I find it ironic when you say Clemson is a really good team and not Pitt. Have you looked at Clemsons schedule?

[Warpticon]

Well Auburn is blowing out a terrible Tulane team....looks like they should move to #2 now. Washington beating Cal makes the SEC not look so good now since that's their only big win out of conference.

 

Auburn #2? They lost a game.

 

I was being sarcastic. The SEC is so good they might as well just have the top 2 teams play for he National Championship.

 

it's not that good, but it's the best conference in college football. it's hard to argue otherwise.

 

Why?

 

Cuse,

 

Auburn does not have a national championship team...I can vouch for that...but there are about 5 other SEC teams that are just as good as Auburn.

 

They may not have the best team in the nation, but they are deeper than other conferences. I understand that they don't have strong extra-conference schedules this season. Let's revisit this in late December and early January.

 

They also have 12 teams in their conference. If Louisville, WV and Rutgers were undefeated playing the exact same schedules but they played in the SEC they would be in the top 5. IMO, too many people give them (SEC) way too much of the benefit of doubt or credit and since they play the D2 schools they pump up their stats. If I have to hear how good Auburns D is after playing the Blind Nuns of St. Marys and the like I'm going to be sick, I mean really, who's D wouldn't look good after playing teams like that? I don't deny they are a talented conference and I think Arkansas is the best team in it, thus proving to me that the "proven" SEC teams get all the votes from the good ole boys. I guess it just bugs when when people just hand the SEC this award and the reward for doing what they do without proving it. Add to that the bottom 4 completely stink. We'll see in the bowls as you said and I look forward to it.

 

Nah, the bottom 3 completely stink. Vandy is competitive. They just have a pretty brutal schedule. Speaking of which, so does SC. Their last 5 games are Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida, Tenn St., and Clemson. Ouch. If they pull off 2-3 in that batch, I'll be impressed.

[CuseCubFan69]

Well Auburn is blowing out a terrible Tulane team....looks like they should move to #2 now. Washington beating Cal makes the SEC not look so good now since that's their only big win out of conference.

 

Auburn #2? They lost a game.

 

I was being sarcastic. The SEC is so good they might as well just have the top 2 teams play for he National Championship.

 

it's not that good, but it's the best conference in college football. it's hard to argue otherwise.

 

Why?

 

Cuse,

 

Auburn does not have a national championship team...I can vouch for that...but there are about 5 other SEC teams that are just as good as Auburn.

 

They may not have the best team in the nation, but they are deeper than other conferences. I understand that they don't have strong extra-conference schedules this season. Let's revisit this in late December and early January.

 

They also have 12 teams in their conference. If Louisville, WV and Rutgers were undefeated playing the exact same schedules but they played in the SEC they would be in the top 5. IMO, too many people give them (SEC) way too much of the benefit of doubt or credit and since they play the D2 schools they pump up their stats. If I have to hear how good Auburns D is after playing the Blind Nuns of St. Marys and the like I'm going to be sick, I mean really, who's D wouldn't look good after playing teams like that? I don't deny they are a talented conference and I think Arkansas is the best team in it, thus proving to me that the "proven" SEC teams get all the votes from the good ole boys. I guess it just bugs when when people just hand the SEC this award and the reward for doing what they do without proving it. Add to that the bottom 4 completely stink. We'll see in the bowls as you said and I look forward to it.

 

Nah, the bottom 3 completely stink. Vandy is competitive. They just have a pretty brutal schedule. Speaking of which, so does SC. Their last 5 games are Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida, Tenn St., and Clemson. Ouch. If they pull off 2-3 in that batch, I'll be impressed.

 

Vandy plays or played Michigan, Tenn St, Temple and Duke out of conference schedule. 1 very good team and 3 horrible ones. SCarolina has Wofford, Fla Atlantic, M.Tenn and as you said Clemson. This is the illusion of the SEC. If a BE teams teams like this out of schedule their ridiculed but it's ok for the SEC because it's so competitive. Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

[fiver]

I don't deny they are a talented conference and I think Arkansas is the best team in it, thus proving to me that the "proven" SEC teams get all the votes from the good ole boys. I guess it just bugs when when people just hand the SEC this award and the reward for doing what they do without proving it. Add to that the bottom 4 completely stink. We'll see in the bowls as you said and I look forward to it.

 

I don't deny that are probably a touch overrated, but the SEC is still the best conference in college football currently, IMO...and that's all that I'm asserting.

 

Arkansas may very well be the best team now that they are healthy...they certainly exploited Auburn's weakness at nose tackle/defensive tackle...Josh Thompson, Auburn's NT, seemed to start playing much better during the second half of the Florida game, and I'm hoping that he's grown as a player over the past few weeks. If Arkansas wins the SEC championship, they will absolutely be ranked ahead of the other SEC teams...no matter what the "good ole boys" have to say...lol. BTW, "good ole boys" aren't the only voters per my understanding. I'd be willing to bet that most non-SEC coaches have either Florida or Tennessee or Auburn ahead of Arkansas right now as well.

 

Cuse..something tells me that you don't like the SEC teams non-conference schedule this year...Auburn didn't play a tough non-conference schedule in '04 either, but they were at very least the second best team in the nation that season....I don't think the SEC teams are as bad as you perceive, and I'll be happy to admit that I'm wrong if I'm proven so during the bowl season.

[fiver]

 

Vandy plays or played Michigan.

 

Yes, and it was 13-7 Michigan at halftime. That somewhat contradicts your assertion that Vandy is absolutely horrible.

 

Again...I'm just stating that the SEC is better than other conferences this season when one evaluates the conferences from top to bottom...This is a factor when SEC ADs schedule out of conference games.

[Guest]

How badly did U of I lose today? Did we at least make it competitive?

 

Illinois pretty much dominated Penn State and lost on special teams and freshman mistakes. they need some receivers.

[Warpticon]

Vandy plays or played Michigan, Tenn St, Temple and Duke out of conference schedule. 1 very good team and 3 horrible ones. SCarolina has Wofford, Fla Atlantic, M.Tenn and as you said Clemson. This is the illusion of the SEC. If a BE teams teams like this out of schedule their ridiculed but it's ok for the SEC because it's so competitive. Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

I didn't say Vanderbilt was a world beater, just that they were competitive. Yes, there's a part of the idiotic system that affords credit based on presumption. That's what creates scenarios like #2 undefeated Auburn a few years ago. I'ts not really fair, but that's part of the package.

 

And really, what top level conference doesn't play scrubs? The Big East teams play weak nonconference teams, too. The SEC teams largely blow out their scrubs, while the Big East lower tier teams flirt with losses. Not that that means all that much, but it doesn't really validate your cliam of superiority. Football is football, and a win's a win. But 10 point wins over Akron, Miami (OH), or Wyoming aren't really any better than blowout victories over Temple or Tulane.

[Guest]

I agree with 'Cuse that conferences can't be judged by only playing themselves. hence, there is no way to judge until the bowl games. this is really why a playoff is imperative to have a fair national championship.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

[snoodmonger]

Baylor just scored with 1:15 left to take a 36-35 lead over Kansas. Baylor has scored 19 points in the fourth quarter to take that lead after being down 35-17 at half.

 

I'm sure glad we gave mangino a monster extension to never win a road game. That's the second huge lead we've blown in a row, and the fourth consecutive loss that should be, at worst, 3 wins and one loss. Shameful. I guess that's why "Thank God it's basketball season" is actually on our university seal.

 

You move around a lot it seems.

 

Gotta stay one step ahead of the law.

[Warpticon]

I agree with 'Cuse that conferences can't be judged by only playing themselves. hence, there is no way to judge until the bowl games. this is really why a playoff is imperative to have a fair national championship.

 

And that's why I awnt to see 4-5 undefeated teams survive. The more absurd scenarios, the more outcries, and the more likely reform becomes.

[fiver]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

Yeah...I didn't realize Cuse made this statement. I respectfully disagree with him.

[Warpticon]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

I skipped over that. I'd wager that if a league were constructed of the bottom 3 in the SEC (Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State) and the bottom 3 in the Big East (Cinci, Syracuse, UConn), the SEC teams would win 6 out of 10 games. The Big East is a very top-heavy conference. They really have no mid tier, and the bottom tier is as bad as any bottom tier, and takes up too big a percentage of the total teams to be considered top. The only conferences I could see getting serious consideration are the Big 10 (too weak at the bottom) and the Pac-10 (I have no problem with the claim that they're better because their mid-tier is extremely strong and deep).

Edited October 22, 2006 by Warpticon

[Jazz]

This is the way I'd rank the conferences

 

#1 - SEC

#2 - Pac-10

#3 - Big 10

#4 - Big 12

#5 - Big East

#6 - ACC

[fiver]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

Cuse,

 

The more I think about this, the angrier I become. You made such a HUGE stink about the SEC throughout this thread and others and finally suggest that the Big East is the top conference? Remind me which games West Virginia or Lousiville or Rutgers or Pitt have played this season that make you believe this.

[imb]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

Cuse,

 

The more I think about this, the angrier I become. You made such a HUGE stink about the SEC throughout this thread and others and finally suggest that the Big East is the top conference? Remind me which games West Virginia or Lousiville or Rutgers or Pitt have played this season that make you believe this.

 

Yeah, saying that the big east is the best conference in college football is about as indefensible as you can get. Cuse is probably the biggest homer in the thread, which is saying something considering that ndistops has half the posts in here.

[Andy]

Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

There's simply no way this is true. There are 3 downright bad teams out of only 8.

 

Cuse,

 

The more I think about this, the angrier I become. You made such a HUGE stink about the SEC throughout this thread and others and finally suggest that the Big East is the top conference? Remind me which games West Virginia or Lousiville or Rutgers or Pitt have played this season that make you believe this.

 

Yeah, saying that the big east is the best conference in college football is about as indefensible as you can get. Cuse is probably the biggest homer in the thread, which is saying something considering that ndistops has half the posts in here.

I wonder how long this will go on.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Thanks for winning this week, IMB. Next Saturday is gonna be great.

 

ps thx aTm for making us look like pansies. Losing to OSU, unreal. At least we'll jump them in the polls.

Edited October 22, 2006 by Transmogrified Tiger

[Guest]

until you stop being a homer?

[imb]

Thanks for winning this week, IMB. Next Saturday is gonna be great.

 

Fears confirmed.

 

No AD = no passing

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Thanks for winning this week, IMB. Next Saturday is gonna be great.

 

Fears confirmed.

 

No AD = no passing

 

Well, you'll have more time to try, Brian Smith fractured his hip today and is done until bowl season.

[Andy]

until you stop being a homer?

If I made the same exact posts in this thread and rooted for, say, Clemson, no one would be uttering a word. Guaranteed.

[rawaction]

This is the way I'd rank the conferences

 

#1 - SEC

#2 - Pac-10

#3 - Big 10

#4 - Big 12

#5 - Big East

#6 - ACC

 

Does the Big Ten get extra points for having the best 2 teams in the country? Ohio St. is by far the best team. Michigan looks to be the best of the 2nd tier. Wisconsin is a very good team and could give any of the SEC teams a run for their money, although they have only played 1 respectable team and lost. Iowa and Penn St. could beat most conferences' 4-5's, although the SEC has the advantage there.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

ps thx aTm for making us look like pansies. Losing to OSU, unreal. At least we'll jump them in the polls.

 

Or you could drive for a td to send the game to OT, whatever.

 

And I take back the bad things I said about Clemson. Spiller is only a freshman? That guy can run.

[TruffleShuffle]

Vandy plays or played Michigan, Tenn St, Temple and Duke out of conference schedule. 1 very good team and 3 horrible ones. SCarolina has Wofford, Fla Atlantic, M.Tenn and as you said Clemson. This is the illusion of the SEC. If a BE teams teams like this out of schedule their ridiculed but it's ok for the SEC because it's so competitive. Top to bottom the best conference is the Big East, not the SEC. Their are no gimmes in the Big East.

 

UConn? Cincy? South Florida?

 

As for out of conference schedule, I guess not every team can run the gauntlet of UNC, Illinois, Ohio, Howard and Navy like Rutgers did. Or USF, they really challenged themselves by playing McNeese State, FIU, UCF, Kansas and UNC. And Pitt's schedule is a joke. Even the best team in the Big East, West Virginia. I'm sure they enjoyed fattening up on Marshall, Eastern Washington, Maryland, East Carolina and Mississippi State. Not a good team in the lot. Playing 1 good team and 3 bad ones is more dangerous than playing 4 or 5 pretty bad teams.

 

If Big East teams could have a schedule that includes road games against Florida, Auburn, Tennessee and Arkansas - which LSU has this year - I'd be just fine with them playing soft OOC schedule. But what does WVU have to be afraid of? They walked over Syracuse and UConn; home games against Cincy and USF are easy too. So, they go to Louisivile - yes, tough game. They go to Pitt, whose best wins en route to a 6-2 record have been over Syracuse and Virginia. And then Rutgers, whose best wins are over Pitt and Navy. Come on.

 

The fact of the matter is, if Florida, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Arkansas, and probably South Carolina and Alabama had played Rutgers' schedule, they'd be undefeated too.