dusty is confused

[abuck1220]

Atlanta, meanwhile, is seeing its run of 14 consecutive postseason appearances come to an end. The Braves were playing their first September home game since 1993 when they weren't in first place in either the National League East or West, and Baker was asked if it was odd to be in Atlanta in September with the Braves not preparing for the playoffs.

 

"It's more weird for me not preparing for the playoffs than the Braves," Baker replied.

 

?

 

i could generously give him the benefit of the doubt and guess that he is trying to say it's more weird for him not to be prepping for the playoffs simply because he really isn't concerned about the braves. however, in any event, this guy's delusion that he perennially manages in the postseason is bordering on insanity.

[NCCubFan]

Selective amnesia. He's remembering the times when he regularly made the playoffs with the Giants, conveniently forgetting that he's made the playoffs one year out of four with the Cubs.

[frostwyrm]

Selective amnesia. He's remembering the times when he regularly made the playoffs with the Giants, conveniently forgetting that he's made the playoffs one year out of four with the Cubs.

 

If you think about the quote, it implies he may end up referring to his time with the Cubs as his "weird years".

[FloridaCubbie]

It'd be kind of cool if Jim Hendry decided to fire Dusty instead of just letting his contract run out.

 

It'd also be cool if Hendry was fired. But I think mediocrity will always be supported here.

[LeftCoastCubFan]

It'd be kind of cool if Jim Hendry decided to fire Dusty instead of just letting his contract run out.

 

It'd also be cool if Hendry was fired. But I think mediocrity will always be supported here.

That's like wanting to beat up your significant other just before the divorce is final just because you always wanted to. It's all over in 3 weeks.

[CubsInNC]

It'd be kind of cool if Jim Hendry decided to fire Dusty instead of just letting his contract run out.

 

It'd also be cool if Hendry was fired. But I think mediocrity will always be supported here.

That's like wanting to beat up your significant other just before the divorce is final just because you always wanted to. It's all over in 3 weeks.

 

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

[JeffH]

But I think mediocrity will always be supported here.

 

The Cubs used to be a mediocre franchise, but Andy and his people have turned it into what it is now - a heaping pile of garbage.

[Jon]

At least he didn't use the same "I'm not used to sitting at home in October" line that he used the past two years.

[fallingpieces]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games.

[cheapseats]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games.

 

He is not a good person.

 

He constantly shifts blames to others rather than accepting blame for his own actions.

 

He deserves nothing.

[UK1679666180]

Letting Baker go like that does more harm than good. Any prospective manager would consider that a ridiculous move and if there was any demand for a prospective manager would likely weigh heavily in deciding between 2 or 3 organizations.

 

Let Baker manager the rest of the year, no reason to humiliate him.

[CubColtPacer]

Letting Baker go like that does more harm than good. Any prospective manager would consider that a ridiculous move and if there was any demand for a prospective manager would likely weigh heavily in deciding between 2 or 3 organizations.

 

Let Baker manager the rest of the year, no reason to humiliate him.

 

Exactly, and it's not only a managerial candidate either. Take Ramirez, who I believe has said that he likes Baker a great deal. He will probably understand when the Cubs let Baker go, because that is just business. If they make it personal and humiliate Baker though, that certainly might make Ramirez less willing to come back to the organization simply out of anger due to the unnecessary need to personally hurt somebody he likes. Let Baker walk at the end of the season, be respectful about it, and move on-hopefully to better things.

[frostwyrm]

I would be OK with handling Dusty's departure the way the Giants did: let him finish his contract, politely thank him for his service, then leak the org's true feelings about him bit by bit.

[NorthsideAvenger]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games.

 

He is not a good person.

 

He constantly shifts blames to others rather than accepting blame for his own actions.

 

He deserves nothing.

 

cheapseats, being a bad manager, and 'is not a good person' are not the same thing. Don't confuse the two. Johnny B. Baker is wonderful person, nice, charming, personable. Dusty Baker the manager is dumber then a box of rocks. There are the same person, yes, but don't confused Baker's managerial persona with his off-the-field persona.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games.

 

He is not a good person.

 

He constantly shifts blames to others rather than accepting blame for his own actions.

 

He deserves nothing.

 

cheapseats, being a bad manager, and 'is not a good person' are not the same thing. Don't confuse the two. Johnny B. Baker is wonderful person, nice, charming, personable. Dusty Baker the manager is dumber then a box of rocks. There are the same person, yes, but don't confused Baker's managerial persona with his off-the-field persona.

 

That is true. Baker is an extremely nice and personable human being. The same could be said for Jim Hendry. Neither do I want running my team, but that doesn't mean they aren't good, well-intentioned individuals.

[muntjack]

Let Baker manage the rest of the year, no reason to humiliate him.

 

LOL

[A New Era]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

When did he treat me with respect? I'm sorry I'm just failing to remember when I crossed the man on the street, and he said "after you, kind sir."

 

Dusty is an excuse making whiney blame everyone else, take no responsibility, punish no mistake, terrible manager. And I'd be all for humiliating him for how he helped to make this a team I am humiliated to be a fan of. .

[cheapseats]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games.

 

He is not a good person.

 

He constantly shifts blames to others rather than accepting blame for his own actions.

 

He deserves nothing.

 

cheapseats, being a bad manager, and 'is not a good person' are not the same thing. Don't confuse the two. Johnny B. Baker is wonderful person, nice, charming, personable. Dusty Baker the manager is dumber then a box of rocks. There are the same person, yes, but don't confused Baker's managerial persona with his off-the-field persona.

 

That is true. Baker is an extremely nice and personable human being. The same could be said for Jim Hendry. Neither do I want running my team, but that doesn't mean they aren't good, well-intentioned individuals.

 

To be clear, I'm not saying he beats up homeless people or makes child pornography in his spare time.

 

However, he does put himself ahead of others. He is perfectly willing to sacrifice the future good of a team if it will help his own career. He constantly blames others for his own failure. Many of his peers believe he used to abuse cocaine. He cheated on his taxes to the tune of $400,000 (which became more than $1 million with interest). He brings his son to interviews as a calculated way to dodge tough questions.

 

Calling him a "bad person" was a bit of hyperbole, but it's not as if he's Mother Theresa off the field.

 

Whether he's a good guy or not shouldn't impact his employment status one whit, but it has, it does, and it will.

[Soul]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games.

 

He is not a good person.

 

He constantly shifts blames to others rather than accepting blame for his own actions.

 

He deserves nothing.

 

cheapseats, being a bad manager, and 'is not a good person' are not the same thing. Don't confuse the two. Johnny B. Baker is wonderful person, nice, charming, personable. Dusty Baker the manager is dumber then a box of rocks. There are the same person, yes, but don't confused Baker's managerial persona with his off-the-field persona.

 

That is true. Baker is an extremely nice and personable human being. The same could be said for Jim Hendry. Neither do I want running my team, but that doesn't mean they aren't good, well-intentioned individuals.

 

Completely agree. There's never been anything to make me think Dusty Baker is not a good human being. This is professional baseball, however: I'll take someone who is less-than-personable if they win games.

 

Since the season has been over for awhile, and Baker's departure has been assured since probably the All-Star break, I prefer to focus on what matters for this team: the future.

 

I'm just watching our young players, seeing which pitchers have something to offer, what is Matty doing in the final weeks, etc. etc.

 

What burns me the most is that I'm almost certain the Cubs will hire another manager who won't rock the boat, rather than someone with the balls to light a few fires if necessary.

[JeffH]

Don't write RumDum off just yet!

 

Harry Hendry might just bring him back!

[CubsInNC]

And what kind of slap in the face would it be to fire him right before the last game?

 

Please don't tell me this is a statement of endorsement. Does the man deserve to be let go... yes. Did he help at all in his tenure with the Cubs...somewhat. Should he still be treated with respect, because he has treated the fans with respect... yes.

 

Dusty needs to part way. He hasn't really worked out with the organization, and I'm sure he can find a better fit elsewhere. This doesn't mean he should be trashed and humiliated on his way out. He can probably say something to do it on his own. Show him the class he shows the fans when he is speaking to them after games.

 

I am not endorsing firing him, since we've kept him this long. But if I were to show him the same respect he shows reporters and fans, I would fire him 2 games before the end of the season. He's tried to blame rookies, not having his horses, and a few other errata. He's blamed injuries, some of which he's had a big hand in. He's put sub-par lineups out there frequently (Neifi, Macias, Holla, Mabry, Lenny Harris, Bynum, etc). Many things he's done make no sense to Cubs fans. So, backing him all season, vowing to hold him thru the season, etc, and firing him 2 days before the end (or 1 week, or something aside from the last day) would make no sense and thusly be fitting.

 

In reality, I'd rather he just keep his mouth shut, and the reporters not ask him questions that lead to these responses. Because at some point really soon here, he's gonna say one thing too much and it's gonna peave a lot of people, and get him labeled, again. He spoke out in San Fran before he left, stating many things that indicated he wasn't happy there. And now he's trying to burn his media bridges in Chicago too, so he can get out, and the org looks like the bad guy. So, Dusty, shut up. And beat reporters, stick to asking him about baseball. At least then we get stories about fishing.

[Guest]

I'm glad we finally get to see what henry blanco can do at the big league level.

[abuck1220]

When shortstop Cesar Izturis returns Monday from his hamstring injury, Baker will have another dilemma. Does he stick with the original game plan and move Ronny Cedeno back to second, or give the job to Ryan Theriot? "We'll see," Baker said. "Theriot has done pretty good. We're in the producing business."

 

how can he say that with a straight face?

[Soul]

When shortstop Cesar Izturis returns Monday from his hamstring injury, Baker will have another dilemma. Does he stick with the original game plan and move Ronny Cedeno back to second, or give the job to Ryan Theriot? "We'll see," Baker said. "Theriot has done pretty good. We're in the producing business."

 

how can he say that with a straight face?

 

Probably thinking of all the millions he produced for himself managing the Cubs into the cellar.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

'member that one time, when Dusty was the manager, and we were like totally playing in October? That was cool.