Sosa & Nats looking at 1yr deal?/Possible Retirement?

[Blueheart05]

Just looking at Sammy's numbers it's amazing nobody would give him a chance at the league minimum. The GMs must know something we don't.

 

His career numbers don't say anything about what Sammy can do right now. I'm not even going to talk about performance enhancing drugs (because he hasn't been caught) but it can't be disputed that he was horrible last year (the first full season of steroid testing).

 

.221/.295/.376 with 14 homers and 45 RBI is not worth a guaranteed contract. However, more teams might have been willing to deal with him if he didn't have a reputation as a clubhouse cancer and if he were willing to come on as an NRI. The steroid rumblings also devalue his worth. The Nats offered him his best shot...

[frostwyrm]

I would bring him back its really sad , now thats Sammy has hit rock bottom is it enough where Baker could talk him into coming back for a bench role?

 

Dusty and Sammy don't like each other. If the Cubs fall out of contention it would be really cool to bring Sammy back so he could hit his last homer at Wrigley but Hendry won't do that while Dusty is here.

 

Why would it be cool? If the Cubs fall out of contention they should bring up some minor leaguers to prepare for next season not worry about aiding Sosa's selfish quest for 600. If Sosa manages to make his way to Cooperstown it will be as a Cub (the numbers are overwhelming while with Chicago) they don't owe him the chance to reach any milestones.

 

I didn't say he should play every day. I'd give him enough chances to hit a few dingers, that's it.

[Neuby]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

[Blueheart05]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

Edited February 17, 2006 by Blueheart05

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While I admit that the Cubs have no interest in bringing Sosa back, if he would agree to be the right-handed part of a platoon in rightfield, I think he could still help the team.

 

His numbers against lefties last year: 288/370/471. He could still be effective in that role. I know he wouldn't accept it, but none the less, he could still hit lefties.

[USSoccer]

While I admit that the Cubs have no interest in bringing Sosa back, if he would agree to be the right-handed part of a platoon in rightfield, I think he could still help the team.

 

His numbers against lefties last year: 288/370/471. He could still be effective in that role. I know he wouldn't accept it, but none the less, he could still hit lefties.

 

I feel the same way.

[Soul]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

BRING BACK THE GLADIATOR!!!!!

[Blueheart05]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

 

A lot of guys work hard with little production. Sosa's numbers are tainted whether or not he gets into the HOF. Wood was trying to be gracious but no one owes Sammy any extra respect much less a kiss of the feet.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

 

A lot of guys work hard with little production. Sosa's numbers are tainted whether or not he gets into the HOF. Wood was trying to be gracious but no one owes Sammy any extra respect much less a kiss of the feet.

 

I don't see in his (Wood's) quote where he was slamming on Sammy. I see the part where he said "no matter what kind of person he was". Just because Sosa wasn't Kerry's kind of person why does that make Sammy a cancer.

 

I'm sure Rodman wasn't MJ's kind of person but hey it worked out ok.

[Blueheart05]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

 

A lot of guys work hard with little production. Sosa's numbers are tainted whether or not he gets into the HOF. Wood was trying to be gracious but no one owes Sammy any extra respect much less a kiss of the feet.

 

I don't see in his (Wood's) quote where he was slamming on Sammy. I see the part where he said "no matter what kind of person he was". Just because Sosa wasn't Kerry's kind of person why does that make Sammy a cancer.

 

I'm sure Rodman wasn't MJ's kind of person but hey it worked out ok.

 

Kerry played with him longer than anyone else on the team but I guess he is the only person to ever have a problem with Sammy... I wonder what Mark Grace and Ryne Sandberg (or Kenny Lofton) would say? Heck, last year Sammy had some clubhouse problems in Baltimore.

 

It's not like I didn't enjoy his production for several years but after learning about some of the behind the scenes issues I don't view him in the same light.

 

Also, comparing Rodman with Sosa isn't fair. Sammy was the superstar which is why he had no problem being overbearing. Rodman only got a spot on the roster with MJ's approval (IIRC, Reinsdorf asked both Jordan and Pippen if they would play with Rodman. They only agreed after talking to him)..

Edited February 17, 2006 by Blueheart05

[noisesquared]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

 

Biggest pitching bust of a generation? I tend to think a 70-54 record with a 3.67ERA and 1286K's in 1109IP aren't 'bust' numbers. Kerry's health has been disappointing, but he's not what I'd call a bust, much less the biggest bust of his generation.

 

And how would being lazy have anything to do with labrum problems? If anything Kerry has impressed me the last few years with at least looking to be in excellent shape reporting to camp. He has been injury prone, but I don't know if any amount of hard-work can make his elbow, shoulder, or back not be problematic.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

 

A lot of guys work hard with little production. Sosa's numbers are tainted whether or not he gets into the HOF. Wood was trying to be gracious but no one owes Sammy any extra respect much less a kiss of the feet.

 

I don't see in his (Wood's) quote where he was slamming on Sammy. I see the part where he said "no matter what kind of person he was". Just because Sosa wasn't Kerry's kind of person why does that make Sammy a cancer.

 

I'm sure Rodman wasn't MJ's kind of person but hey it worked out ok.

 

Kerry played with him longer than anyone else on the team but I guess he is the only person to ever have a problem with Sammy... I wonder what Mark Grace and Ryne Sandberg (or Kenny Lofton) would say? Heck, last year Sammy had some clubhouse problems in Baltimore.

 

It's not like I didn't enjoy his production for several years but after learning about some of the behind the scenes issues I don't view him in the same light.

 

Also, comparing Rodman with Sosa isn't fair. Sammy was the superstar which is why he had no problem being overbearing. Rodman only got a spot on the roster with MJ's approval (IIRC, Reinsdorf asked both Jordan and Pippen if they would play with Rodman. They only agreed after talking to him)..

 

 

But the name of the game is to win. There is no way that all the Yankees (choose them since they are "winners") get along nor should someone expect 25 grown men to get along.

 

I like your analogy of the Rodman/Sosa comparison. Kerry, who has been more of a role player, like Rodman, seemed to have an issue with the superstar of the team. Now that I think about it, that is life Kerry and if you don't like then become the superstar you've been projected to be but yet become.

[Blueheart05]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

 

A lot of guys work hard with little production. Sosa's numbers are tainted whether or not he gets into the HOF. Wood was trying to be gracious but no one owes Sammy any extra respect much less a kiss of the feet.

 

I don't see in his (Wood's) quote where he was slamming on Sammy. I see the part where he said "no matter what kind of person he was". Just because Sosa wasn't Kerry's kind of person why does that make Sammy a cancer.

 

I'm sure Rodman wasn't MJ's kind of person but hey it worked out ok.

 

Kerry played with him longer than anyone else on the team but I guess he is the only person to ever have a problem with Sammy... I wonder what Mark Grace and Ryne Sandberg (or Kenny Lofton) would say? Heck, last year Sammy had some clubhouse problems in Baltimore.

 

It's not like I didn't enjoy his production for several years but after learning about some of the behind the scenes issues I don't view him in the same light.

 

Also, comparing Rodman with Sosa isn't fair. Sammy was the superstar which is why he had no problem being overbearing. Rodman only got a spot on the roster with MJ's approval (IIRC, Reinsdorf asked both Jordan and Pippen if they would play with Rodman. They only agreed after talking to him)..

 

 

But the name of the game is to win. There is no way that all the Yankees (choose them since they are "winners") get along nor should someone expect 25 grown men to get along.

 

I like your analogy of the Rodman/Sosa comparison. Kerry, who has been more of a role player, like Rodman, seemed to have an issue with the superstar of the team. Now that I think about it, that is life Kerry and if you don't like then become the superstar you've been projected to be but yet become.

 

Why is Kerry Wood being blamed for having an opinion about Sosa? It's easy to get on Wood because he has underperformed but I didn't hear many Cubs fans get after Sandberg's HOF speech where he obviously mocked Sosa's shenanigans. In fact, Sandberg was lauded for his words. I also haven't heard too many people blast Mark Grace about his not so flattering Sosa comments over the years.

 

Speaking of analogies, lets compare superstars like Jordan with Sosa. On the surface it seems like an unfair comparison (and even I'll concede that MJ, unlike Sosa, was the best in the game while he played) but the point I want to make is that MJ understood the value of making his teammates better and deflecting the fame. Sosa cared about his individual stats to a fault and would hop and celebrate while the team was being blown out. Meanwhile, Jordan would be angry that the team was losing (in the early years). Furthermore, Sosa was in a position to put pressure on management to build stong teams but he was content being the spotlight on a loser. I distinctly remember Sammy being asked by reporters, at the end of different losing seasons, about his feelings on the year; He always talked about his personal success and never offered much commentary on the team. When he was traded he talked about wanting to reach 700 homers but never once mentioned playing on a World Series team. Sammy was not a winner and never openly aspired to win but he did want to hit homers...

[abuck1220]

man, it's been a while since i've heard the 'it's kerry wood's fault that he has arm problems' crap. ah, baseball season is back.

[Soul]

Wood was on comcast had some postive things to say about Sosa. I want Sosa's on the teams bench.

 

Wood is also rumored to have been the boom box attacker. :lol: I saw that interview and Woody actually said something very subtle about Sosa; something like "no matter what you thought of him or what kind of person he was he always came to play." LOL, that tells me he was a troublemaker.

 

Sosa wouldn't accept a Cubs bench position and, more importantly, the Cubs aren't offering.

 

EDIT: Here is Kerry's exact quote:"The impact he had on the game -- he brought the fans back, him and McGwire," Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood said. "They filled the stadiums. That was fun to be a part of. Like I've always said about Sammy, he always came ready to play. No matter what kind of person he was, or what people wrote about him, or people said about him, he was ready to play for 162 games. I've still yet to see somebody prepare the way he did. He was a superstar."

 

Sosa's work ethic makes Kerry look like a lazy dog. I think Kerry might have suddenly realized that. Sosa became a superstar by taking the field every single day----tired or not, hurt or not. Then there's Kerry: a man who was blessed with amazing talent, sat on his laurels, refused to learn how to pitch, and blew himself up in his mid-20's.

 

Kerry should bow down and kiss Sosa's feet. Sosa's a Hall of Fame candidate and Wood is the biggest pitching bust of a generation. He has no place saying anything *BUT* what he just said.

 

Biggest pitching bust of a generation? I tend to think a 70-54 record with a 3.67ERA and 1286K's in 1109IP aren't 'bust' numbers. Kerry's health has been disappointing, but he's not what I'd call a bust, much less the biggest bust of his generation.

 

And how would being lazy have anything to do with labrum problems? If anything Kerry has impressed me the last few years with at least looking to be in excellent shape reporting to camp. He has been injury prone, but I don't know if any amount of hard-work can make his elbow, shoulder, or back not be problematic.

 

Considering his potential? Yeah, he's easily the biggest pitching bust of our time. When he takes the ball for all of his scheduled starts and wins 20 games in just *ONE* season I will reconsider.

 

Kerry Wood was supposed to be the next Roger Clemens. Anyone who denies that now either wasn't paying attention in '98 or has fallen into denial. I'm not saying you are----I'm just saying let's not suddenly pull back on the expectations of this guy and call him "passable" when he was tagged for true greatness and fell unbelievably short.

 

I can't even tell you if Kerry Wood will pitch a single start this year. He can't either. For a guy who struck out 20 and was universally expected to be the next great pitcher of our generation-----he's a bust on a level I've seldom seen. Maybe never.

[Mizzou]

man, it's been a while since i've heard the 'it's kerry wood's fault that he has arm problems' crap. ah, baseball season is back.

 

Wait... are you saying it's not his fault that he gets injured all the time?

[abuck1220]

man, it's been a while since i've heard the 'it's kerry wood's fault that he has arm problems' crap. ah, baseball season is back.

 

Wait... are you saying it's not his fault that he gets injured all the time?

 

how would it be his fault?

 

if his mechanics are causing the injuries, it is the job of the coaching and training staff to fix it. that's not the responsibility of a 25 year old who has never coached nor gone to college. if rothschild came out and said 'we've been telling him to change his motion for three years, and he refuses to make adjustments' then that would be wood's fault. but that apparently isn't the case. why would kerry be asked to do the job of the pitching coach and the trainer?

[badger1679666666]

 

When he takes the ball for all of his scheduled starts and wins 20 games in just *ONE* season I will reconsider.

 

 

well that pretty much cements the fact that your opinions on anything baseball related won't be listened to or respected by me.

[abuck1220]

 

Yeah, he's easily the biggest pitching bust of our time.

 

tagged for true greatness and fell unbelievably short.

 

he's a bust on a level I've seldom seen.

 

wow, i hadn't realized that he'd retired.

[RynoRules]

man, it's been a while since i've heard the 'it's kerry wood's fault that he has arm problems' crap. ah, baseball season is back.

 

Wait... are you saying it's not his fault that he gets injured all the time?

 

how would it be his fault?

 

if his mechanics are causing the injuries, it is the job of the coaching and training staff to fix it. that's not the responsibility of a 25 year old who has never coached nor gone to college. if rothschild came out and said 'we've been telling him to change his motion for three years, and he refuses to make adjustments' then that would be wood's fault. but that apparently isn't the case. why would kerry be asked to do the job of the pitching coach and the trainer?

 

Perhaps Kerry is uncoachable. Its conceivable that he refuses to do things differently. Stone intimated as much last season with his infamous "used car salesman" comment.

[UK1679666180]

Kerry has had poor mechanics since being drafted, god gave him a great arm and he developed a great and costly way of spinning a breaking pitch early on.

 

If Kerry has refused to adjust his mechanics (not overhaul as that's impossible at his age), it would impact his stature among the Cubs.

 

I don't think Kerry is one that is uncoachable, they just haven't been able to correct his mechanics. Wood also gets into a pattern of improving his mechanics for stretch and falling back to poor mechanics when he gets fatigued.

 

He's been programmed early on to throw w/often w/poor mechanics dating back to his HS days, it's a difficult task to try and work from that premise.

[Mizzou]

man, it's been a while since i've heard the 'it's kerry wood's fault that he has arm problems' crap. ah, baseball season is back.

 

Wait... are you saying it's not his fault that he gets injured all the time?

 

how would it be his fault?

 

if his mechanics are causing the injuries, it is the job of the coaching and training staff to fix it. that's not the responsibility of a 25 year old who has never coached nor gone to college. if rothschild came out and said 'we've been telling him to change his motion for three years, and he refuses to make adjustments' then that would be wood's fault. but that apparently isn't the case. why would kerry be asked to do the job of the pitching coach and the trainer?

Do you really think that no coaches, trainers, or doctors have talked to Kerry and gave recommendations as to how to not get hurt every two weeks? I think it's pretty safe to assume that Kerry has been given plenty of advice over the past few years. It's his own fault that he hasn't followed it.

[USSoccer]

You do realize that Clemens only won 20 games 5 times in 21 years?

 

Wood hasn't been in the league for 10 years yet.

[cl smooth]

if we're talking about pitching busts of our generation, wouldn't todd van poppel or bill pulsipher (sp?) or first round picks who turned into journeymen be on that short list? i really wouldn't put wood in that category...