Levine reports on Tejada for Prior rumor 12/22 - 26

[Sarcastic]

 

Seriously. The only reason this team has been any good at all the last couple years is .

 

Did I miss something? Have they been good the last couple of years? And Prior has been injured or very mediocre during this time period. What is is that we are so desperatly holding onto? a .500 team?

 

No, that would be a young Cy young caliber pitcher. Bad teams can have good players. You don't trade your good players to get better, unless they happen to be redundant or the talent you get is obviously much much better.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm not sure how you arrived at this conclusion? Tejada would still be under contract and no older than 32, Bedard would be under contract for the next 3-4 years anyway. How would it make them any worse after this year?

 

Just being under contract doesn't mean anything. Tejada is past his prime and on his way down. Bedard is the oldest pitcher in this debate and no more accomplished than Hill and Williams.

[ThePenguin11]

Prior + Mazzone = :shock:

 

 

Oh...my...God. I didn't even think about that. This will haunt us forever. Forget Brock. Forget Maddux. Forget all of it. That would be really bad.

[Chocolate Milk]

The question is, if this is such a good deal for the O's (and I think it's obvious that it is) why haven't they pulled the trigger?

[goonys evil twin]

 

Seriously. The only reason this team has been any good at all the last couple years is .

 

Did I miss something? Have they been good the last couple of years? And Prior has been injured or very mediocre during this time period. What is is that we are so desperatly holding onto? a .500 team?

 

To say he's been very mediocre would indicate you don't know anything about baseball. And you can stop with the "did I miss anything" BS any day now.

 

I said the only reason they have been any good. I never said they were really good. 88 and 89 wins is kind of good. It's not special. But the only reason they've had any success at all, and yes, they have had some success, is the Zambrano and Prior situations.

[Sarcastic]

Prior + Mazzone = :shock:

 

 

Oh...my...God. I didn't even think about that. This will haunt us forever. Forget Brock. Forget Maddux. Forget all of it. That would be really bad.

 

On the other hand, I'd have a new team to watch every couple of days.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Seriously. The only reason this team has been any good at all the last couple years is .

 

Did I miss something? Have they been good the last couple of years? And Prior has been injured or very mediocre during this time period. What is is that we are so desperatly holding onto? a .500 team?

 

There is a whole lot of mediocrity by your standards. Prior had the ERA+ of a number one starter last year, in his supposed down year. He led the world in K/9. He wasn't historically good like in 2003, but when he pitches he's very good, not "very mediocre".

[Connor McConnor]

 

Seriously. The only reason this team has been any good at all the last couple years is .

 

Did I miss something? Have they been good the last couple of years? And Prior has been injured or very mediocre during this time period. What is is that we are so desperatly holding onto? a .500 team?

 

There is a whole lot of mediocrity by your standards. Prior had the ERA+ of a number one starter last year, in his supposed down year. He led the world in K/9. He wasn't historically good like in 2003, but when he pitches he's very good, not "very mediocre".

 

Certainly not the dominating superstar he's being held up to be around here. There were more than a few outings when he was walking people and getting hit hard. He's not always "very good" when he pitches.

 

Again....it might NOT be the thing to do. But it warrants a hard look.

[CuseCubFan69]

I would say he has a higher upside than Williams and possibly Hill, but yeah he hasn't done it in the majors and the health risks are still there.

 

The problem with touting his upside is that he is the oldest pitcher in this entire discussion. If Bedard has upside from where he is right now, what about Prior.

 

Rich Hill's older than Prior and people on this board still think he'll be the next Barry Zito even though he'll be 26 by the time the season starts. :roll:

 

Bedard's older than Rich Hill and people in this organization think he'll be the next Barry Zito. Even though he'll be 27 by the time the season starts. :roll:

 

And btw, what does what people think about Hill have anything to do with this? Nobody is mad about Hill being included in a deal for Tejada.

 

I mentioned that back on page 421. The players that will be involved (if the deal does happen Tejada for Prior) are the key in this for me.

[goonys evil twin]

Certainly not the dominating superstar he's being held up to be around here. There were more than a few outings when he was walking people and getting hit hard. He's not always "very good" when he pitches.

 

Again....it might NOT be the thing to do. But it warrants a hard look.

 

So a superstar pitcher can't walk people or get hit hard, ever? Yeah, we're talking rationally here.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Seriously. The only reason this team has been any good at all the last couple years is .

 

Did I miss something? Have they been good the last couple of years? And Prior has been injured or very mediocre during this time period. What is is that we are so desperatly holding onto? a .500 team?

 

There is a whole lot of mediocrity by your standards. Prior had the ERA+ of a number one starter last year, in his supposed down year. He led the world in K/9. He wasn't historically good like in 2003, but when he pitches he's very good, not "very mediocre".

 

Certainly not the dominating superstar he's being held up to be around here. There were more than a few outings when he was walking people and getting hit hard. He's not always "very good" when he pitches.

 

Again....it might NOT be the thing to do. But it warrants a hard look.

 

And Tejada will have some 0-4 games, does that also not make him a dominating superstar?

[YearofDaCubs]

You know really maybe we should have signed Nomar to play SS moved Cedeno to 2B and we would be better off than we are now. We wouldn't need to trade for Tejada and lose Prior. I still cannot believe this might go down.

[Jon]

Just asking: Could this mean that Guzman and Marshall are slated for Wrigley earlier than we thought?

I can't recall Marshall pitching since July and he only spent minimal time at AA. Relying on either for 2006 would be a huge mistake.

 

And I'm very said that this thing wasn't just a bad dream...

[hawkeyecub]

You know really maybe we should have signed Nomar to play SS moved Cedeno to 2B and we would be better off than we are now. We wouldn't need to trade for Tejada and lose Prior. I still cannot believe this might go down.

 

There's a reason no team in baseball thinks Nomar can play SS next year.

 

I don't understand why people can't get that.

[YearofDaCubs]

You know really maybe we should have signed Nomar to play SS moved Cedeno to 2B and we would be better off than we are now. We wouldn't need to trade for Tejada and lose Prior. I still cannot believe this might go down.

 

There's a reason no team in baseball thinks Nomar can play SS next year.

 

I don't understand why people can't get that.

Put him at 2B then and place Cedeno at SS. When we are talking about losing Mark Prior for a SS you have to wonder and think what other options were available.

[ThePenguin11]

You know really maybe we should have signed Nomar to play SS moved Cedeno to 2B and we would be better off than we are now. We wouldn't need to trade for Tejada and lose Prior. I still cannot believe this might go down.

 

There's a reason no team in baseball thinks Nomar can play SS next year.

 

I don't understand why people can't get that.

Put him at 2B then and place Cedeno at SS. When we are talking about losing Mark Prior for a SS you have to wonder and think what other options were available.

 

Good answer, I agree.

[hawkeyecub]

You know really maybe we should have signed Nomar to play SS moved Cedeno to 2B and we would be better off than we are now. We wouldn't need to trade for Tejada and lose Prior. I still cannot believe this might go down.

 

There's a reason no team in baseball thinks Nomar can play SS next year.

 

I don't understand why people can't get that.

Put him at 2B then and place Cedeno at SS. When we are talking about losing Mark Prior for a SS you have to wonder and think what other options were available.

 

There's really no difference at 2B though and again no one in baseball was willing to put him there. He's restricted to 1B, 3B and LF at this point in his career.

[ThePenguin11]

You know really maybe we should have signed Nomar to play SS moved Cedeno to 2B and we would be better off than we are now. We wouldn't need to trade for Tejada and lose Prior. I still cannot believe this might go down.

 

There's a reason no team in baseball thinks Nomar can play SS next year.

 

I don't understand why people can't get that.

Put him at 2B then and place Cedeno at SS. When we are talking about losing Mark Prior for a SS you have to wonder and think what other options were available.

 

There's really no difference at 2B though and again no one in baseball was willing to put him there. He's restricted to 1B, 3B and LF at this point in his career.

 

I'm pretty sure there were some less than desirable teams that were willing to let him play 2b, but the Dodgers were a better situation so he decided to go home where the money is.

[YearofDaCubs]

You know really maybe we should have signed Nomar to play SS moved Cedeno to 2B and we would be better off than we are now. We wouldn't need to trade for Tejada and lose Prior. I still cannot believe this might go down.

 

There's a reason no team in baseball thinks Nomar can play SS next year.

 

I don't understand why people can't get that.

Put him at 2B then and place Cedeno at SS. When we are talking about losing Mark Prior for a SS you have to wonder and think what other options were available.

 

There's really no difference at 2B though and again no one in baseball was willing to put him there. He's restricted to 1B, 3B and LF at this point in his career.

Yes, there is a difference playing 2B over SS are you serious? Imagine Walker playing SS? Be real if you ask me Nomar would fit right in at 2B that way Hendry can trade the "maligned" Walker away put Cedeno at SS, Perez the backup of SS and 2B as well as have Hairston there. If you ask me that works great and at the same time have Prior in the rotation.

[hawkeyecub]

No there's not a difference as far as injury risk goes. If teams felt confident that he could play 2nd base effectively and stayed healthy, he would have been signed to do that. Instead nearly all of baseball felt he was resigned to 1B, 3B and LF.

[YearofDaCubs]

No there's not a difference as far as injury risk goes. If teams felt confident that he could play 2nd base effectively and stayed healthy, he would have been signed to do that. Instead nearly all of baseball felt he was resigned to 1B, 3B and LF.

Having Nomar at 2B is a better risk to take than trading Prior for Tejada. Considering we also have Cedeno and Hairston I would risk having Nomar for one more year.

[Bergy92]

The question is, if this is such a good deal for the O's (and I think it's obvious that it is) why haven't they pulled the trigger?

 

sorry, been out of it for a while, but maybe they have not pulled the trigger because it is a rumor. Just a rumor. I have failed to see anything of significant value than some reporters stating that the Cubs should do it. When does something cross that line from being a report from a rumor? Just wondering...

 

All I want for Christmas is Prior in the rotation...I am getting sick thinking about trading him...

[ThePenguin11]

The question is, if this is such a good deal for the O's (and I think it's obvious that it is) why haven't they pulled the trigger?

 

sorry, been out of it for a while, but maybe they have not pulled the trigger because it is a rumor. Just a rumor. I have failed to see anything of significant value than some reporters stating that the Cubs should do it. When does something cross that line from being a report from a rumor? Just wondering...

 

All I want for Christmas is Prior in the rotation...I am getting sick thinking about trading him...

 

Usually when this kind of thing happens, and its false, Hendry comes out of his lair to do some PR damage control. The fact that he isn't refuting the Prior trade discussions is alarming.

[TXCubsFan]

The question is, if this is such a good deal for the O's (and I think it's obvious that it is) why haven't they pulled the trigger?

 

sorry, been out of it for a while, but maybe they have not pulled the trigger because it is a rumor. Just a rumor. I have failed to see anything of significant value than some reporters stating that the Cubs should do it. When does something cross that line from being a report from a rumor? Just wondering...

 

All I want for Christmas is Prior in the rotation...I am getting sick thinking about trading him...

 

The O's ownership is not being smart by asking for Prior unless they plan to spin him into a trade with either the Dodgers or the Angels for prospects. Asking for Zambrano is just stupid and greedy, IMO.

[Mark Priors Calves]

this thread makes me sad.