Levine reports on Tejada for Prior rumor 12/22 - 26

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

[nilodnayr]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

 

Screw the orioles, I'll take Manny and Arroyo. And if Im feeling saucy then trade prior for tejada, bedard, and penn.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

 

See, this is the kind of stuff we're used to seeing from Hendry, except for those times when he felt it was absolutely imperative to unload someone. This one would not make me lose any sleep whatsoever.

[Mark_R]

I wouldn't think Manny would waive his NTC to play in Baltimore.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I wouldn't think Manny would waive his NTC to play in Baltimore.

 

I think he would....I don't think he has much choice. None of the teams he was interested in going to want him. It may be Baltimore or back in Boston and he wants out of Boston.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wouldn't think Manny would waive his NTC to play in Baltimore.

 

I think Manny feels like NYC is the place to be but not the Mets. If the Sox will trade him to the Yankees, we ought to be able to have our way with their entire system for next to nothing.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

 

I think I'd move one of the prospects Tampa gets to Boston, they don't seem to be getting the correct return for Manny, Arroyo, and Marte. Probably move Hill to Boston.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

 

I think I'd move one of the prospects Tampa gets to Boston, they don't seem to be getting the correct return for Manny, Arroyo, and Marte. Probably move Hill to Boston.

 

You may be right there....but they are getting three holes filled by moving Manny and Arroyo. I'm not sure that Tampa would give up those three for only Dopirak, Marte and Guzman.

 

What about taking Marte out, removing Gathright and sending Patterson from the Cubs to Boston and Boston sending a lesser prospect to Tampa.

 

The deal could look like this:

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arroyo

Cubs get Tejada

Boston gets Patterson, Lugo, and Huff

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Guzman, Hill, and someone like David Murphy or Chad Spann.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

 

I think I'd move one of the prospects Tampa gets to Boston, they don't seem to be getting the correct return for Manny, Arroyo, and Marte. Probably move Hill to Boston.

 

You may be right there....but they are getting three holes filled by moving Manny and Arroyo. I'm not sure that Tampa would give up those three for only Dopirak, Marte and Guzman.

 

What about taking Marte out, removing Gathright and sending Patterson from the Cubs to Boston and Boston sending a lesser prospect to Tampa.

 

The deal could look like this:

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arroyo

Cubs get Tejada

Boston gets Patterson, Lugo, and Huff

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Guzman, Hill, and someone like David Murphy or Chad Spann.

 

Tampa might not do it, but it's probably most equitable. Marte is worth Lugo + Gathright alone, and Dopirak + Guzman is a decent return for an expensive impending FA coming off a poor year.

[Ram1380]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

 

I think I'd move one of the prospects Tampa gets to Boston, they don't seem to be getting the correct return for Manny, Arroyo, and Marte. Probably move Hill to Boston.

 

You may be right there....but they are getting three holes filled by moving Manny and Arroyo. I'm not sure that Tampa would give up those three for only Dopirak, Marte and Guzman.

 

What about taking Marte out, removing Gathright and sending Patterson from the Cubs to Boston and Boston sending a lesser prospect to Tampa.

 

The deal could look like this:

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arroyo

Cubs get Tejada

Boston gets Patterson, Lugo, and Huff

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Guzman, Hill, and someone like David Murphy or Chad Spann.

 

 

I would take Guzman out, and replace him with Harvey + $$$.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What about a 4-team deal that involves the DRays and Boston. I think in such a scenario, the Cubs could get Tejada without giving up Prior.

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arrojo.

Cubs get: Tejada

Boston gets: Lugo, Huff, and Gathright.

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Marte, Hill, and Guzman.

 

I'm sure the prospects the Cubs are sending could change, but would that trade satisfy everyone?

 

I think I'd move one of the prospects Tampa gets to Boston, they don't seem to be getting the correct return for Manny, Arroyo, and Marte. Probably move Hill to Boston.

 

You may be right there....but they are getting three holes filled by moving Manny and Arroyo. I'm not sure that Tampa would give up those three for only Dopirak, Marte and Guzman.

 

What about taking Marte out, removing Gathright and sending Patterson from the Cubs to Boston and Boston sending a lesser prospect to Tampa.

 

The deal could look like this:

 

Orioles get: Manny and Arroyo

Cubs get Tejada

Boston gets Patterson, Lugo, and Huff

Devil Rays get: Dopirak, Guzman, Hill, and someone like David Murphy or Chad Spann.

 

Tampa might not do it, but it's probably most equitable. Marte is worth Lugo + Gathright alone, and Dopirak + Guzman is a decent return for an expensive impending FA coming off a poor year.

 

I'm sure if those teams talked, the players could end up different, but I think it provides the framework. It answers three needs for Boston so I think they might think it's fair return for Manny. They'd still have Marte to deal if they needed to fill another need.

 

The Cubs get the player they are after without damaging the major league team, and retain pitching depth by keeping Williams.

 

The Orioles get Manny plus a pitcher.

 

The deal might need tinkering as the Orioles might would want a better pitcher and the Devil Rays might want better prospects. I still think the framework is there. I think the Cubs would probably throw in another prospect not named Pie if needed to get it done.

[badger1679666666]

Ok....forget the wins part. Although everyone will jump and down and point if he becomes a 20 game winner.......wins are not important if you get 10 of them....but they are if you get 20.

 

My point is.....doesn't Prior have to be a totally dominating pitcher to live up to expectations at this point? Clemons, Johnson, Schilling, Ryan, etc....sort of dominant? Anything less will be a disappointment....and certainly not warrant the type of gnashing of teeth presented here in the last few days over the discussion of possibly trading him.

I'd like to go back to what a Cards' fan pointed out earlier in the discussion. If Prior qualified with enough innings at this point, he would rank 6th among active pitchers in ERA. Sixth!

 

How on earth is that not dominant enough for you?

 

I think I saw many posts go by that said they wouldnt trade Prior for anyone.....certainly no other pitcher. My point was that he needs to be the pitching stud of the next decade to live up to expectations.

 

I wouldnt pretend to be the stats guy that many around here are......but if he's sixth....that means there are at least 5 better. Right? I'm sure age and many other things need to be factored in.......but he has a lot to prove. From a lot of the sentiment around here you would think that he has proved it already. Is it that unreasonable to be somewhat skeptical as to whether or not he can live up to expectations?

 

I'd say that his numbers in 2003 at age 22 proved what he can do.

 

It proved what he could do at age 22 in 2003. If the 2003 Prior is whats in the future...you dont trade him for anyone. Of course none of us know....but I don't see how people can be so sure that his future greatness is inevitable. It is possible that his 2003 performance will not happen again. I think its fair to say that we all hope that we will get more than just one year or occasional glimpses of greatness?

 

I wouldnt trade him for another pticher. THe only reason I'd even think about it...is because we need offense....and a lineup of Lee, Ramirez, Tejada.....is something I would really enjoying watching. Granted.....might be a mistake.....but that lineup would keep me in front of my TV many hours at a time.

 

I don't think the object is to keep you in front of the TV many hours at a time, or creating something that you would really enjoy watching.

 

I think the goal is to create a team that wins. And if every single game ALL year was a 1-0, 2-1, 2-0, 3-2, 3-1, or 3-0 game, and we won 95 of them, and you were bored out of your mind, and didn't have fun watching them or spending hours in front of your tv, sign me up for an eternity of your boredom.

[Ram1380]

Oh yea, and Merry Christmas...Happy Channuka, God Bless you and yours Vance....and anyone else who stumbles across here.

 

 

 

Now for Santa to fill hendry's stocking with that lump of coal, and drop it on his dink head before it's to late on the Prior front.

[Ram1380]

Ok....forget the wins part. Although everyone will jump and down and point if he becomes a 20 game winner.......wins are not important if you get 10 of them....but they are if you get 20.

 

My point is.....doesn't Prior have to be a totally dominating pitcher to live up to expectations at this point? Clemons, Johnson, Schilling, Ryan, etc....sort of dominant? Anything less will be a disappointment....and certainly not warrant the type of gnashing of teeth presented here in the last few days over the discussion of possibly trading him.

I'd like to go back to what a Cards' fan pointed out earlier in the discussion. If Prior qualified with enough innings at this point, he would rank 6th among active pitchers in ERA. Sixth!

 

How on earth is that not dominant enough for you?

 

I think I saw many posts go by that said they wouldnt trade Prior for anyone.....certainly no other pitcher. My point was that he needs to be the pitching stud of the next decade to live up to expectations.

 

I wouldnt pretend to be the stats guy that many around here are......but if he's sixth....that means there are at least 5 better. Right? I'm sure age and many other things need to be factored in.......but he has a lot to prove. From a lot of the sentiment around here you would think that he has proved it already. Is it that unreasonable to be somewhat skeptical as to whether or not he can live up to expectations?

 

I'd say that his numbers in 2003 at age 22 proved what he can do.

 

It proved what he could do at age 22 in 2003. If the 2003 Prior is whats in the future...you dont trade him for anyone. Of course none of us know....but I don't see how people can be so sure that his future greatness is inevitable. It is possible that his 2003 performance will not happen again. I think its fair to say that we all hope that we will get more than just one year or occasional glimpses of greatness?

 

I wouldnt trade him for another pticher. THe only reason I'd even think about it...is because we need offense....and a lineup of Lee, Ramirez, Tejada.....is something I would really enjoying watching. Granted.....might be a mistake.....but that lineup would keep me in front of my TV many hours at a time.

 

I don't think the object is to keep you in front of the TV many hours at a time, or creating something that you would really enjoy watching.

 

I think the goal is to create a team that wins. And if every single game ALL year was a 1-0, 2-1, 2-0, 3-2, 3-1, or 3-0 game, and we won 95 of them, and you were bored out of your mind, and didn't have fun watching them or spending hours in front of your tv, sign me up for an eternity of your boredom.

 

 

 

 

Exactly Badger.

 

 

 

 

That's what X box is for.

[Connor McConnor]

I don't think the object is to keep you in front of the TV many hours at a time, or creating something that you would really enjoy watching.

 

I think the goal is to create a team that wins. And if every single game ALL year was a 1-0, 2-1, 2-0, 3-2, 3-1, or 3-0 game, and we won 95 of them, and you were bored out of your mind, and didn't have fun watching them or spending hours in front of your tv, sign me up for an eternity of your boredom.

 

 

Exactly Badger.

 

 

That's what X box is for.

 

THanks for the "goal is to win" speech.....I did not realize. Far to often the Cubs have been the team with 0-1-2 runs. You have to be able to score some runs too.

 

And what was I thinking? Enjoy a lineup of Lee, Ramirez, and Tejajda? How dare I.

 

X-box? Ok..at least now I have an idea of the age group Im dealing with.

[sethuel1]

I don't think the object is to keep you in front of the TV many hours at a time, or creating something that you would really enjoy watching.

 

I think the goal is to create a team that wins. And if every single game ALL year was a 1-0, 2-1, 2-0, 3-2, 3-1, or 3-0 game, and we won 95 of them, and you were bored out of your mind, and didn't have fun watching them or spending hours in front of your tv, sign me up for an eternity of your boredom.

 

 

Exactly Badger.

 

 

That's what X box is for.

 

THanks for the "goal is to win" speech.....I did not realize. Far to often the Cubs have been the team with 0-1-2 runs. You have to be able to score some runs too.

 

And what was I thinking? Enjoy a lineup of Lee, Ramirez, and Tejajda? How dare I.

 

X-box? Ok..at least now I have an idea of the age group Im dealing with.

 

Humbug to you too.

[badger1679666666]

I don't think the object is to keep you in front of the TV many hours at a time, or creating something that you would really enjoy watching.

 

I think the goal is to create a team that wins. And if every single game ALL year was a 1-0, 2-1, 2-0, 3-2, 3-1, or 3-0 game, and we won 95 of them, and you were bored out of your mind, and didn't have fun watching them or spending hours in front of your tv, sign me up for an eternity of your boredom.

 

 

Exactly Badger.

 

 

That's what X box is for.

 

THanks for the "goal is to win" speech.....I did not realize. Far to often the Cubs have been the team with 0-1-2 runs. You have to be able to score some runs too.

 

And what was I thinking? Enjoy a lineup of Lee, Ramirez, and Tejajda? How dare I.

 

X-box? Ok..at least now I have an idea of the age group Im dealing with.

 

I don't own an x-box, so with your assumptions, I now know who I'm dealing with.

 

You were the one who posted about having fun, and keeping you in front of the TV for hours. I didn't make that ridiculous post. Give me boring winning ALL DAY LONG please.

 

I suppose you can enjoy Lee, Ramirez, and Tejada and instead of scoring 0, 1, 2, and 3 runs a game and losing we can score 5, 6, 7 runs a game and still lose.

 

It will be much more exciting to watch on TV afterall.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I think the goal is to create a team that wins. And if every single game ALL year was a 1-0, 2-1, 2-0, 3-2, 3-1, or 3-0 game, and we won 95 of them, and you were bored out of your mind, and didn't have fun watching them or spending hours in front of your tv, sign me up for an eternity of your boredom.

 

That would be a personal heaven for me...nothing better than watching a great pitchers duel.

 

ESPECIALLY if we came out on top of 95 of those.

[Careless]

X-box? Ok..at least now I have an idea of the age group Im dealing with.

Those darned juvenile 18 to 35 year olds

[CUBZ99]

If I were the Orioles I would trade Prior for Tejeda straight up any day of the week and would have taken this offer along time ago.

 

Is the hold up that the Cubs are insisting on Bedard along with Tejada?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If I were the Orioles I would trade Prior for Tejeda straight up any day of the week and would have taken this offer along time ago.

 

Is the hold up that the Cubs are insisting on Bedard along with Tejada?

 

Most O's fans think that Tejada is worth more than Prior.

[Ram1380]

X-box? Ok..at least now I have an idea of the age group Im dealing with.

Those darned juvenile 18 to 35 year olds

 

 

 

 

LOL. Let's say I am on the "extreme" end of your scale, and still pretty juvenile as well.

 

 

:D

 

 

I am though, thanful for his concern.

[CUBZ99]

If I were the Orioles I would trade Prior for Tejeda straight up any day of the week and would have taken this offer along time ago.

 

Is the hold up that the Cubs are insisting on Bedard along with Tejada?

 

Most O's fans think that Tejada is worth more than Prior.

 

Most O's fans are crazy then.

[Sarcastic]

If I were the Orioles I would trade Prior for Tejeda straight up any day of the week and would have taken this offer along time ago.

 

Is the hold up that the Cubs are insisting on Bedard along with Tejada?

 

Most O's fans think that Tejada is worth more than Prior.

 

Most O's fans are crazy then.

 

According to the various rumors, the O's want both Prior and Pie for Tejada (if they can't get Zambrano instead of Prior), whereas the Cubs don't want to give up Pie and won't make the deal without getting Bedard.

 

That said, I don't believe that these people really know the specifics of any trade proposals. Maybe they do, I'm just doubtful.

[Deeg]

Either that, or Cub fans dramatically overvalue their own players...