Levine reports on Tejada for Prior rumor 12/22 - 26

[CuseCubFan69]

Needless to say, I'm incredibly thankful the Orioles are being quite greedy in this whole process.

 

Look, I like Tejada and think he would be an automatic upgrade over what we currently have at SS. He'll produce nicely in this lineup and his contract is reasonable. I have no problem with Hendry making a move to acquire him.

 

But...he's not the kind of bat that would turn this offense into a juggernaut for the next few years. He's not a Manny Ramirez, a Miguel Cabrera, or an Albert Pujols. Heck, he's not even a Bobby Abreu or a Lance Bekman. As it's been said, Tejada would make a solid 5th hitter. I don't think he'll out-produce Aramis Ramirez next season and I think there's a reasonable chance that Derrek Lee out-produces Tejada, as well.

 

If the Cubs are going to trade Prior, my hope would be that it would be for some one who could make this team an offensive force. I don't see that in Tejada. I'm also worried that Tejada's production and range will continue to decline over the length of his contract. If he has to move from SS because his range has taken a nosedive, then his value will go flying out the window.

 

I really do hope that if the Cubs trade Prior to the Orioles that they get some worthwhile prospects from the Orioles. Trading Prior for just Tejada and Bedard would be a mistake, imo. At least some decent prospects would make it suck less.

 

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2? You are getting a stud SS AND a 1 or 2 while trading a 1 in Prior. I'd do that trade if I was confident that Bedard could be a 1 or 2 in a second.

[AramisRamirez]

[quote name="Outshined_One"

 

But...he's not the kind of bat that would turn this offense into a juggernaut for the next few years. He's not a Manny Ramirez' date=' a Miguel Cabrera, or an Albert Pujols. Heck, he's not even a Bobby Abreu or a Lance Bekman. As it's been said, Tejada would make a solid 5th hitter. I don't think he'll out-produce Aramis Ramirez next season and I think there's a reasonable chance that Derrek Lee out-produces Tejada, as well.

.[/quote]

 

i agree that cabrera, manny, and albert put up better numbers than miguel. but he's definitely a better bet than abreu or berkman. i would take him instead of either of those 2 any day.

 

with that said, prior stays in my book.

[Outshined_One]

Or, and this is what I'm clinging to, the reporting of what's going on is completely unrelated to the reality.

 

I'm hoping that this is the result of a telephone game-like situation gone out of control. As in...

 

Jim Hendry to Assistant GM: I asked the Orioles about Tejada and they said that they'd trade him only for Prior. I told them I'd only do that trade if they threw in Erik Bedard, Daniel Cabrera, Nick Markakis, Adam Loewen, JJ Johnson, and Hayden Penn.

 

Assistant GM to Intern: Jimbo said that he'd trade Prior for Tejada, Bedard, and prospects.

 

Intern to Ken Rosenthal: Jim Hendry said he'd trade Prior for Tejada and some other dudes...I dunno who they were.

 

Ken Rosenthal in his article: Jim Hendry would trade Mark Prior for Miguel Tejada!

 

Journalists who rip off Rosenthal's article: Jim Hendry is deadset on trading Prior for Tejada!

 

Journalists who rip off of each other: Jim Hendry is close to dealing Mark Prior for Miguel Tejada...purple monkey dishwasher!

Edited December 24, 2005 by Outshined_One

[Diffusion]

I'm hoping that this is the result of a telephone game-like situation gone out of control. As in...

 

Jim Hendry to Assistant GM: I asked the Orioles about Tejada and they said that they'd trade him only for Prior. I told them I'd only do that trade if they threw in Erik Bedard, Daniel Cabrera, Nick Markakis, Adam Loewen, JJ Johnson, and Hayden Penn.

 

Assistant GM to Intern: Jimbo said that he'd trade Prior for Tejada, Bedard, and prospects.

 

Intern to Ken Rosenthal: Jim Hendry said he'd trade Prior for Tejada and some other dudes...I dunno who they were.

 

Ken Rosenthal in his article: Jim Hendry would trade Mark Prior for Miguel Tejada!

 

Journalists who rip off Rosenthal's article: Jim Hendry is deadset on trading Prior for Tejada!

 

Journalists who rip off of each other: Jim Hendry is close to dealing Mark Prior for Miguel Tejada...purple monkey dishwasher!

 

Best sounding post in this entire thread.

[Jon]

Well, we'll show Hendry. Especially for that purple monkey dishwasher remark.

[Diffusion]

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2?

 

He can't, and I'm one of his biggest fans. Well, okay, maybe he can be a marginal 2. He's got no shot at being a 1.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2?

 

He can't, and I'm one of his biggest fans. Well, okay, maybe he can be a marginal 2. He's got no shot at being a 1.

 

I don't know his stuff, but he certainly was pitching like a 1 before he got hurt last year.

[CuseCubFan69]

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2?

 

He can't, and I'm one of his biggest fans. Well, okay, maybe he can be a marginal 2. He's got no shot at being a 1.

 

Yeah but even for a dominate 3 let's say and a top 3 SS for a 1/2 pitcher? I think it would be worth it.

[nilodnayr]

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2?

 

He can't, and I'm one of his biggest fans. Well, okay, maybe he can be a marginal 2. He's got no shot at being a 1.

 

I don't know his stuff, but he certainly was pitching like a 1 before he got hurt last year.

 

I agree, I love Bedard, but his ceiling is a 2, no way he becomes a 1. Overwhelming odds have him at a good three.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm not saying that Bedard will become one, but the guy had a 2 ERA and a 1 WHIP before he got hurt last year, so I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility of him becoming a 1 starter.

[Diffusion]

I'm not saying that Bedard will become one, but the guy had a 2 ERA and a 1 WHIP before he got hurt last year, so I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility of him becoming a 1 starter.

 

I'm well aware, he was on my fantasy team at the time. For the record, before he was shutdown last year...

 

60.2 IP, 49 H, 3 HR, 14 BB, 52 K, 2.08 ERA

 

Superficially very good. But, CPat, you know as well as I do that 49 hits allowed in 60.2 innings with just 52 strikeouts means luck on balls in play.

 

His FIPS ERA is a whole run higher at 3.02. Make an adjustment for a flukishly low number of flyballs going out for home runs (in the long term, there's evidence to suggest that there's a universal trend amongst pitchers of 1 in 10 flyballs going for home runs), and his sustainable ERA is probably nearer around about 3.45. Still very good for the AL. But we're talking about the best spell Bedard's ever had.

[nilodnayr]

I'm not saying that Bedard will become one, but the guy had a 2 ERA and a 1 WHIP before he got hurt last year, so I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility of him becoming a 1 starter.

 

And if you exclude one game against detroit, pre injury his ERA was .95 and his whip was .93. However, stamina and injuries are a big concern. After the injury he only went 7 innings twice in 16 starts and left the game before the 6th because of pitch counts 6 times. Like Clement he has flashes (or something longer than a flash) of brilliance, mixed in with mediocrity and implosion games. Thats what keeps him from being a top of the rotation guy.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm not saying that Bedard will become one, but the guy had a 2 ERA and a 1 WHIP before he got hurt last year, so I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility of him becoming a 1 starter.

 

I'm well aware, he was on my fantasy team at the time. For the record, before he was shutdown last year...

 

60.2 IP, 49 H, 3 HR, 14 BB, 52 K, 2.08 ERA

 

Superficially very good. But, CPat, you know as well as I do that 49 hits allowed in 60.2 innings with just 52 strikeouts means luck on balls in play.

 

His FIPS ERA is a whole run higher at 3.02. Make an adjustment for a flukishly low number of flyballs going out for home runs (in the long term, there's evidence to suggest that there's a universal trend amongst pitchers of 1 in 10 flyballs going for home runs), and his sustainable ERA is probably nearer around about 3.45. Still very good for the AL. But we're talking about the best spell Bedard's ever had.

 

Isn't Camden Yards a hitters park?

[Diffusion]

I'm not saying that Bedard will become one, but the guy had a 2 ERA and a 1 WHIP before he got hurt last year, so I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility of him becoming a 1 starter.

 

I'm well aware, he was on my fantasy team at the time. For the record, before he was shutdown last year...

 

60.2 IP, 49 H, 3 HR, 14 BB, 52 K, 2.08 ERA

 

Superficially very good. But, CPat, you know as well as I do that 49 hits allowed in 60.2 innings with just 52 strikeouts means luck on balls in play.

 

His FIPS ERA is a whole run higher at 3.02. Make an adjustment for a flukishly low number of flyballs going out for home runs (in the long term, there's evidence to suggest that there's a universal trend amongst pitchers of 1 in 10 flyballs going for home runs), and his sustainable ERA is probably nearer around about 3.45. Still very good for the AL. But we're talking about the best spell Bedard's ever had.

 

Isn't Camden Yards a hitters park?

 

Well, for 2003-05...

 

Baltimore, 0.94 R, 0.98 H, 0.92 2B, 1.00 HR, 1.06 BB, 0.96 K

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/weighted_park_factors_2003_2005/

 

1.00 is neutral, below is pitcher friendly, higher is hitter friendly.

 

So, not really.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm not saying that Bedard will become one, but the guy had a 2 ERA and a 1 WHIP before he got hurt last year, so I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility of him becoming a 1 starter.

 

I'm well aware, he was on my fantasy team at the time. For the record, before he was shutdown last year...

 

60.2 IP, 49 H, 3 HR, 14 BB, 52 K, 2.08 ERA

 

Superficially very good. But, CPat, you know as well as I do that 49 hits allowed in 60.2 innings with just 52 strikeouts means luck on balls in play.

 

His FIPS ERA is a whole run higher at 3.02. Make an adjustment for a flukishly low number of flyballs going out for home runs (in the long term, there's evidence to suggest that there's a universal trend amongst pitchers of 1 in 10 flyballs going for home runs), and his sustainable ERA is probably nearer around about 3.45. Still very good for the AL. But we're talking about the best spell Bedard's ever had.

 

Isn't Camden Yards a hitters park?

 

Well, for 2003-05...

 

Baltimore, 0.94 R, 0.98 H, 0.92 2B, 1.00 HR, 1.06 BB, 0.96 K

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/weighted_park_factors_2003_2005/

 

1.00 is neutral, below is pitcher friendly, higher is hitter friendly.

 

So, not really.

 

Since Bedard is a lefty how did righties hit there?

[USSoccer]

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2?

 

He can't, and I'm one of his biggest fans. Well, okay, maybe he can be a marginal 2. He's got no shot at being a 1.

 

Yeah but even for a dominate 3 let's say and a top 3 SS for a 1/2 pitcher? I think it would be worth it.

 

Not when the top 3 SS will decline over the next 3 years, wheras the 1/2 pitcher is 3 years away from FA and still reaching his peak.

[Mike Aller]

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2?

 

He can't, and I'm one of his biggest fans. Well, okay, maybe he can be a marginal 2. He's got no shot at being a 1.

 

Yeah but even for a dominate 3 let's say and a top 3 SS for a 1/2 pitcher? I think it would be worth it.

 

Not when the top 3 SS will decline over the next 3 years, wheras the 1/2 pitcher is 3 years away from FA and still reaching his peak.

This is the only post I've read in this thread.

[USSoccer]

What if Bedard can be a 1 or 2?

 

He can't, and I'm one of his biggest fans. Well, okay, maybe he can be a marginal 2. He's got no shot at being a 1.

 

Yeah but even for a dominate 3 let's say and a top 3 SS for a 1/2 pitcher? I think it would be worth it.

 

Not when the top 3 SS will decline over the next 3 years, wheras the 1/2 pitcher is 3 years away from FA and still reaching his peak.

This is the only post I've read in this thread.

 

is that a good thing or a bad thing? :D

[Mizzou]

1. Hendry isn't denying the reports of Prior's name being mentioned because he's in a negotiation. He's not going to negotiate through the media. He never negotiated with Philly for Abreu... that's why that rumor was shot down so quickly. Don't let the fact that he's not going public lead you to believe that he's going to trade Prior. That's just silly.

 

2. No way Hendry does this trade. He gives out stupid contracts here and there, but he doesn't get flat out fleeced in a trade. Why the hell would he trade a starting pitcher, especially a damn good one, when we don't even know when Wood will pitch next year?

 

3. Enough about Prior not likeing the organization. Here: my source says Kerry Wood hates the Cubs... worry about that for awhile. (No offense JeffH, just sick of "source" stuff getting blown out of proportion).

 

4. Merry Christmas, NSBB.

[YearofDaCubs]

1. Hendry isn't denying the reports of Prior's name being mentioned because he's in a negotiation. He's not going to negotiate through the media. He never negotiated with Philly for Abreu... that's why that rumor was shot down so quickly. Don't let the fact that he's not going public lead you to believe that he's going to trade Prior. That's just silly.

 

2. No way Hendry does this trade. He gives out stupid contracts here and there, but he doesn't get flat out fleeced in a trade. Why the hell would he trade a starting pitcher, especially a damn good one, when we don't even know when Wood will pitch next year?

 

3. Enough about Prior not likeing the organization. Here: my source says Kerry Wood hates the Cubs... worry about that for awhile. (No offense JeffH, just sick of "source" stuff getting blown out of proportion).

 

4. Merry Christmas, NSBB.

Logically, it all makes sense but this is the Cubs we are talking about.

[NorthsideAvenger]

1. Hendry isn't denying the reports of Prior's name being mentioned because he's in a negotiation. He's not going to negotiate through the media. He never negotiated with Philly for Abreu... that's why that rumor was shot down so quickly. Don't let the fact that he's not going public lead you to believe that he's going to trade Prior. That's just silly.

 

2. No way Hendry does this trade. He gives out stupid contracts here and there, but he doesn't get flat out fleeced in a trade. Why the hell would he trade a starting pitcher, especially a damn good one, when we don't even know when Wood will pitch next year?

 

3. Enough about Prior not likeing the organization. Here: my source says Kerry Wood hates the Cubs... worry about that for awhile. (No offense JeffH, just sick of "source" stuff getting blown out of proportion).

 

4. Merry Christmas, NSBB.

Logically, it all makes sense but this is the Cubs we are talking about.

 

Hendry did NOT trade Clement for Nomar, and I fully believe he will land Tejada WITHOUT giving up Prior. Granted it will prolly take Hill/Pie third prospect, but I am willing to give up prospects for Tejada, then Prior.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Hendry did NOT trade Clement for Nomar, and I fully believe he will land Tejada WITHOUT giving up Prior. Granted it will prolly take Hill/Pie third prospect, but I am willing to give up prospects for Tejada, then Prior.

 

Wouldn't it be pretty darn sweet if we hear "the Cubs have just traded for Miguel Tejada" and it included a bunch of people that made all of us say "WHO???".

 

I doubt it, but I did have a similar reaction to the Nomar deal. I knew who the players were, I just couldn't believe that's all it took to get Nomar AND Murton.

 

I'm still holding onto that ray of sunshine that Hendry has been able to produce on occasion. He has a history of making the big trade while giving up little in return, and I just refuse to believe he will do something incredibly stupid now. And maybe I've been drinking too much tonight.

[USSoccer]

Hendry did NOT trade Clement for Nomar, and I fully believe he will land Tejada WITHOUT giving up Prior. Granted it will prolly take Hill/Pie third prospect, but I am willing to give up prospects for Tejada, then Prior.

 

Wouldn't it be pretty darn sweet if we hear "the Cubs have just traded for Miguel Tejada" and it included a bunch of people that made all of us say "WHO???".

 

I doubt it, but I did have a similar reaction to the Nomar deal. I knew who the players were, I just couldn't believe that's all it took to get Nomar AND Murton.

 

I'm still holding onto that ray of sunshine that Hendry has been able to produce on occasion. He has a history of making the big trade while giving up little in return, and I just refuse to believe he will do something incredibly stupid now. And maybe I've been drinking too much tonight.

 

given how disasterously poor our offseason has been, i'd say we Cubs fans are due a little good luck

[Ding Dong Johnson]

given how disasterously poor our offseason has been, i'd say we Cubs fans are due a crap load of good luck

 

Fixed

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Wouldn't it be pretty darn sweet if we hear "the Cubs have just traded for Miguel Tejada" and it included a bunch of people that made all of us say "WHO???".

 

I doubt it, but I did have a similar reaction to the Nomar deal. I knew who the players were, I just couldn't believe that's all it took to get Nomar AND Murton.

 

That would be the best Christmas present I've gotten in a while, but I'm positive it'd have to involve a third team for that to happen. Hendry pulled off a miracle on the Nomar deal when I didn't want to trade Clement. Hopefully he can pull off a similar deal with a similar type of player (all star ss).