Marlins trade Castillo to Twins (Complete)

[UK1679666180]

Completely agree. If we don;t land Furcal we might be in a good amount of trouble.

 

I disagree with that, but it would have to take some extremely productive measures. Getting an above avg. CF'er and an elite OF'er would eliminate the trouble of not landing Castillo or overspending on Furcal.

[E.J.]

Just reported on ESPN News. Gammons is saying it's a done deal. Marlins get 2 minor league pitchers (didn't say who).

 

Could one be Justin Jones? I thought the Marlins inquired about him a couple of times when he was a Cub.

 

Nope. It's pitchers Travis Bowyer and Scott Tyler.

[muntjack]

You know Dontrelle and Cabrera can't be too pleased with this either.

 

If Miggy publicly says ANYTHING negative about this, I immediately offer a huge package (Pie, Cedeno, Nolasco, Hill, Williams, Patterson..whatever)

just in case the Marlins are willing.

[cubbyvirus00]

If we don't get furcal, we NEED to trade a good amount of prospects away to field a strong team.

 

This is absolutely pathetic. Hendry has put all his eggs in the basket for Furcal.

[YearofDaCubs]

If we don't get furcal, we NEED to trade a good amount of prospects away to field a strong team.

 

This is absolutely pathetic. Hendry has put all his eggs in the basket for Furcal.

Yes, he indeed did do that.

[CubfaninCA]

I do think this was a missed opportunity. Of all the Marlins players that have or will likely be moved, Castillo was the best option for the Cubs. He can hit well in the one or two hole, get on base, and play stellar defense. He's also the one whose salary is most comensurate with his abilities.

 

I'm not upset with Hendry for not acquiring him, but I do think we could have matched what Minnesota gave up to get him.

 

I've been hoping for Castillo ever since I realized that they'll probably move Walker. I'm a little disapointed to see him get away. If we fail to get Furcal, we could now really find ourselves with a Cedeno-Perez MI if Hendry is still so pre-disposed to trading Walker. While I'll reserve judgement until that happens, if it does, I will lose all confindence in Hendry and his philosophy of guys who can catch the ball. In Castillo you could have gotten offense from someone who also can catch the ball.

Completely agree. If we don;t land Furcal we might be in a good amount of trouble.

 

Quite possible, but there's still Pierre and Lofton out there, and they could always bring Walker back. Slim shot, but ya never know. There's still options after Furcal, but yes the Cubs will be limited.

Edited December 2, 2005 by CubfaninCA

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think the Cubs could have matched and/or beaten that offer, but I don't think Hendry was about to trade for Castillo with Walker still on the team. That takes away a good bit of leverage, since neither can really play any other position(Walker could be a 1B, but we have someone okay there). If we didn't already have a very good offensive player at 2B, I would be much more upset.

[JC]

Completely agree. If we don;t land Furcal we might be in a good amount of trouble.

 

I disagree with that, but it would have to take some extremely productive measures. Getting an above avg. CF'er and an elite OF'er would eliminate the trouble of not landing Castillo or overspending on Furcal.

 

With the growing rumors about Manny wanting to go to the Angels, I wonder if Hendry will look west to G. Anderson, Finley or Vladdy daddy (yeah, right :cloud9: ).

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I cooled on Castillo after hearing about the injury issues.

 

I can't imagine why Hendry wasn't pursuing him b/c he can catch the ball and provides pretty decent offense if it wasn't b/c of those health issues. I'll give Jimbo a pass on this one. We don't need another lemon.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Completely agree. If we don;t land Furcal we might be in a good amount of trouble.

 

I disagree with that, but it would have to take some extremely productive measures. Getting an above avg. CF'er and an elite OF'er would eliminate the trouble of not landing Castillo or overspending on Furcal.

 

With the growing rumors about Manny wanting to go to the Angels, I wonder if Hendry will look west to G. Anderson, Finley or Vladdy daddy (yeah, right :cloud9: ).

 

Hoops brought Finley to the table yesterday, straight up for Patterson. I am not on board with that move. And Vlad...ah, that is a dream for us !!!

[CubbieSouthpaw]

If we don't get furcal, we NEED to trade a good amount of prospects away to field a strong team.

 

This is absolutely pathetic. Hendry has put all his eggs in the basket for Furcal.

Yes, he indeed did do that.

 

Hendry probably knows how many eggs are in that basket and we don't.

[cubbyvirus00]

It would be great to trade Pie/hill for Miggy, and move anybody else for him.

[gflore34]

Solid move for the Twins, I was hoping Hendry could have put together something for Castillo but, at least we won't see him in Cardinal uniform next season. I'm starting to believe Furcal is going to resign with Atlanta, all this Cubs and Dodgers posturing is just to squeeze a few more bucks out the Braves. A Walker and Cedeno MI may not be so bad after all, someone's got to make clear to Baker that Cedeno is the Cub SS.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Realistically, for the Marlins it's better to have a complete fire sale than a partial one. Trading Pierre is next because he's going to be a FA. It's obvious that this team isn't going to be competitive next season, so they might as well completely re-stock with the idea of being competitive two or three years down the road.

 

Does anyone think the Marlins would be that much better if they traded just Beckett, Lowell, and Delgado? No, they weren't winning a division with Castillo-Pierre-Dontrelle-Cabrera and no one else, so they might as well finish it off and get some more players.

 

They'll keep Dontrelle and Cabs, because those guys will still be under team control when they hope to be competetive again.

 

Loduca and Pierre are next. If you're going to tear it down and rebuild it, you might as well do it right. It might drive the fans away? They only had about 5000 of those anyway.

[JC]

Completely agree. If we don;t land Furcal we might be in a good amount of trouble.

 

I disagree with that, but it would have to take some extremely productive measures. Getting an above avg. CF'er and an elite OF'er would eliminate the trouble of not landing Castillo or overspending on Furcal.

 

With the growing rumors about Manny wanting to go to the Angels, I wonder if Hendry will look west to G. Anderson, Finley or Vladdy daddy (yeah, right :cloud9: ).

 

Hoops brought Finley to the table yesterday, straight up for Patterson. I am not on board with that move. And Vlad...ah, that is a dream for us !!!

 

I'd rather keep Patterson in that scenerio, too.

[YearofDaCubs]

Completely agree. If we don;t land Furcal we might be in a good amount of trouble.

 

I disagree with that, but it would have to take some extremely productive measures. Getting an above avg. CF'er and an elite OF'er would eliminate the trouble of not landing Castillo or overspending on Furcal.

 

With the growing rumors about Manny wanting to go to the Angels, I wonder if Hendry will look west to G. Anderson, Finley or Vladdy daddy (yeah, right :cloud9: ).

Finley and Anderson are terrible options when you consider age and injury problems and we all know Vlad isn't going anywhere.

[YearofDaCubs]

Realistically, for the Marlins it's better to have a complete fire sale than a partial one. Trading Pierre is next because he's going to be a FA. It's obvious that this team isn't going to be competitive next season, so they might as well completely re-stock with the idea of being competitive two or three years down the road.

 

Does anyone think the Marlins would be that much better if they traded just Beckett, Lowell, and Delgado? No, they weren't winning a division with Castillo-Pierre-Dontrelle-Cabrera and no one else, so they might as well finish it off and get some more players.

 

They'll keep Dontrelle and Cabs, because those guys will still be under team control when they hope to be competetive again.

 

Loduca and Pierre are next. If you're going to tear it down and rebuild it, you might as well do it right. It might drive the fans away? They only had about 5000 of those anyway.

If I was a Marlins fan I would be irritated but the fact that they have won two World Series within 10 years makes me have a bit more trust that they will be back. I wish I could say the same about our organization.

[JC]

Completely agree. If we don;t land Furcal we might be in a good amount of trouble.

 

I disagree with that, but it would have to take some extremely productive measures. Getting an above avg. CF'er and an elite OF'er would eliminate the trouble of not landing Castillo or overspending on Furcal.

 

With the growing rumors about Manny wanting to go to the Angels, I wonder if Hendry will look west to G. Anderson, Finley or Vladdy daddy (yeah, right :cloud9: ).

Finley and Anderson are terrible options when you consider age and injury problems and we all know Vlad isn't going anywhere.

 

For the record, I wouldn't want Finley or Anderson. It just seems like team that may have a surplus of big name outfielders which may grab Hendry's attention. We all know that Hendry gets tunnel vision about players he gets enamored with (Burnitz, Barrett, Neifi). And, he has expressed interest in Finley in the past. Thus, it seems like a reasonable suggestion. We shall see.

[UK1679666180]

You get someone like Bradley, Michaels, or even Pierre for CF and get a quality RF'er Dunn, Abreu, or to a lesser extent Huff and Furcal doesn't become a must have.

 

Obviously, that's a nearly impossible task at this stage as far as improving the OF to that extent, but it should be the goal, even at the expense of Furcal.

 

To me, it shouldn't depend on Furcal as far as how much to improve the OF as Furcal doesn't improve the OF.

[HerbalK]

The Twins traded Travis Bower to the Marlins as part of the Luis Castillo deal.

During the 2005 season, Bower had 99 strikeouts and 51 hits allowed in 74 1/3 IP. Potentially, he is a candidate to close for the Marlins in 2006.

 

From rotoworld.

 

Who were we going to send that could match that? Hill? When apparently he wouldn't be sent for Dunn? I would have liked Castillo as well, but it looks like the Marlins got solid value for him.

[gflore34]

You get someone like Bradley, Michaels, or even Pierre for CF and get a quality RF'er Dunn, Abreu, or to a lesser extent Huff and Furcal doesn't become a must have.

 

Obviously, that's a nearly impossible task at this stage as far as improving the OF to that extent, but it should be the goal, even at the expense of Furcal.

 

To me, it shouldn't depend on Furcal as far as how much to improve the OF as Furcal doesn't improve the OF.

 

For me, the main reason Furcal is must have is Baker' illogical loyalty to Nefi, I believe, many of us would be content with Walker - despite his defensive shortcomings - and Cedeno.

[goonys evil twin]

I think Hendry defending is the new Dusty defending. People pretty much gave up defending Dusty after repeated errors in judgement. I wonder how long the defense of Hendry will last.

 

 

Why is it wrong to express disappointment when your team doesn't get a player that could help your team and was acquired by somebody else for not a whole lot?

 

 

 

Castillo wasn't a must have in my mind, but again, if Hendry is insisting on trading Walker, there's only a couple guys out there who can replace him, Castillo was one. And if Walker is traded, and these other options are no longer available, that just makes it more likely that Neifi will see a lot of playing time next year.

 

It's December and Hendry has yet to do a thing to improve the biggest problem on the team, people should be allowed to be concerned.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Twins traded Travis Bower to the Marlins as part of the Luis Castillo deal.

During the 2005 season, Bower had 99 strikeouts and 51 hits allowed in 74 1/3 IP. Potentially, he is a candidate to close for the Marlins in 2006.

 

From rotoworld.

 

Who were we going to send that could match that? Hill? When apparently he wouldn't be sent for Dunn? I would have liked Castillo as well, but it looks like the Marlins got solid value for him.

 

1.32 WHIP, 10.59 K/9, 7.14 H/9, 4.76 BB/9, 0.71 HR/9

 

1.22 WHIP, 11.62 K/9, 6.17 H/9, 4.84 BB/9, 0.48 HR/9

 

One of these is Bowyer's numbers at AAA, and the other is Wuertz's numbers at the Major League level.

[UK1679666180]

You get someone like Bradley, Michaels, or even Pierre for CF and get a quality RF'er Dunn, Abreu, or to a lesser extent Huff and Furcal doesn't become a must have.

 

Obviously, that's a nearly impossible task at this stage as far as improving the OF to that extent, but it should be the goal, even at the expense of Furcal.

 

To me, it shouldn't depend on Furcal as far as how much to improve the OF as Furcal doesn't improve the OF.

 

For me, the main reason Furcal is must have is Baker' illogical loyalty to Nefi, I believe, many of us would be content with Walker - despite his defensive shortcomings - and Cedeno.

 

You can't "dumb" a team down b/c of a manager, I think they've done it to an extent with the bullpen this off-season as far as taking away the need for Baker to become creative with his pen to try and make it productive. This isn't my opinion but, if you have to overspend on Furcal to prevent the manager from playing the wrong guy, there are huge issues beyond those players involved.

 

Personally, I'll give Baker the benefit of the doubt as far as starting Cedeno over Perez. If it doesn't work out that way simply b/c of Neifi's expereince, I'll be furious.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

No worries, guys. We still have Neifi.