2005-06 College Basketball Thread

[illiniguy]

Syracuse is in. They had a shot if they'd lost to Cincy. Beating UConn is probably gonna get them a 6 seed.

 

That's absurd. Syracuse isn't touching a 6 seed with anything less than a Big East tournament title.

 

And UConn is not losing their 1 seed either. Only teams that could jump them would be Villanova, Duke, and Ohio St.

 

If Duke or Villanova win their conference tourneys, I believe they will get the #1 overall seed in the tourney.

Yep and they will both watch when UCONN cuts down the nets. This game meant crap for UCONN and everything for the Cuse.

[dalgreen]

Syracuse is in. They had a shot if they'd lost to Cincy. Beating UConn is probably gonna get them a 6 seed.

 

That's absurd. Syracuse isn't touching a 6 seed with anything less than a Big East tournament title.

 

And UConn is not losing their 1 seed either. Only teams that could jump them would be Villanova, Duke, and Ohio St.

 

If Duke or Villanova win their conference tourneys, I believe they will get the #1 overall seed in the tourney.

Yep and they will both watch when UCONN cuts down the nets. This game meant crap for UCONN and everything for the Cuse.

 

I agree that the game meant nothing to UConn. I still hate the fact that Syracuse will get in now after playing mediocre basketball for three months.

[SouthSideRyan]

Sorry I misread, I thought you said just a #1 seed, not overall. UConn probably did lose it. The conference tourneys work both ways. Cincinatti and Seton Hall were both thought to be in, and now after losing to Syracuse and Rutgers respectively, they're talked about as bubble teams. It gives the big conference teams one last chance to play their way in, but it also gives them one last chance to play their way out. I have no problem giving teams a lot of chances to do it on the court as much as possible rather than having to play it out in the committee's minds.

[illiniguy]

Sorry I misread, I thought you said just a #1 seed, not overall. UConn probably did lose it. The conference tourneys work both ways. Cincinatti and Seton Hall were both thought to be in, and now after losing to Syracuse and Rutgers respectively, they're talked about as bubble teams. It gives the big conference teams one last chance to play their way in, but it also gives them one last chance to play their way out. I have no problem giving teams a lot of chances to do it on the court as much as possible rather than having to play it out in the committee's minds.

I hate how now a deserving Valley team who played a tough out of conference schedule will probably get left out because Syracuse, who plays no road games every year in the preconference finally decided to start playing.

[SouthSideRyan]

My point is we don't know if it's going to be a Valley team kept out, it could very well be another Big East team that winds up missing the spot because of the BE Tourney.

[illiniguy]

My point is we don't know if it's going to be a Valley team kept out, it could very well be another Big East team that winds up missing the spot because of the BE Tourney.

Well I hope that is the case but I got a feeling UNI is going to be very unhappy playing in the NIT.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My point is we don't know if it's going to be a Valley team kept out, it could very well be another Big East team that winds up missing the spot because of the BE Tourney.

Well I hope that is the case but I got a feeling UNI is going to be very unhappy playing in the NIT.

 

In the same way, UNI could have avoided their situation by not losing 5 of their last 7. I'd have to say UNI is more deserving than Syracuse though.

[Flames24Rulz]

UNI will make it in..this was a terrible day for Creighton though as it pretty much eliminated their slim hopes of making it with Syracuse winning and GW losing giving the A10 another bid.

 

SIU, Wichita St, UNI, and Bradley all have to be locks. Missouri St really has to hope that the committee likes the RPI. If they don't make it though, they would be the highest ranked team in terms of the RPI to not make the tournament (they are 22nd in the RPI.)

 

in other news, Northern Illinois was losing by 21 against Toledo today before coming back but losing by 1. A MAC West title only to lose in the quarters..pathetic. I was really hoping NIU could've won the MAC tourny seeing it is my last year in DeKalb. Unfortunately, that won't be the case.

[rawaction]

Syracuse is in. They had a shot if they'd lost to Cincy. Beating UConn is probably gonna get them a 6 seed.

 

I see them getting a 6 seed if they win the conference tourney, but an 8-9 seed if they don't.

 

I was clearly exaggerating.

[Flames24Rulz]

FSU will lose to Wake Forest.

 

their bubble is bursting.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

ESPN the Magazine has a neat piece about "Giant Killers". They took 64 of the top mid-major teams, and set 10 "commandments of successful slaying", including beating your opponents by at least 6 PPG, higher 3PT % than your opponents, A/TO ratio of more than 1. Their 5 teams that meet all 10 criteria: UNC Wilmington, Old Dominion, Northern Iowa, Murray State, and Pacific.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

FSU and Michigan both losing gives hope to the bubble teams dismayed by GW's failure and Syracuse's success.

[bukie]

Michigan falls to Minnesota. Very tenuous bubble they have.

 

Florida State falls in the ACC first round to last-place Wake Forest. So much for the good will from the Duke win (their only good win of the year).

[rawaction]

FSU and Michigan both losing gives hope to the bubble teams dismayed by GW's failure and Syracuse's success.

 

Both are out if it were up to me. Michigan's done, without my say-so. FSU is probably one of the last teams in at best.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

FSU and Michigan both losing gives hope to the bubble teams dismayed by GW's failure and Syracuse's success.

 

Both are out if it were up to me. Michigan's done, without my say-so. FSU is probably one of the last teams in at best.

 

True, I didn't have either in at this point, but it's two less teams that could pull a Syracuse.

[bukie]

FSU and Michigan both losing gives hope to the bubble teams dismayed by GW's failure and Syracuse's success.

 

Both are out if it were up to me. Michigan's done, without my say-so. FSU is probably one of the last teams in at best.

 

Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's, and especially FSU's. Even with today's loss. Main question will be what sticks in the minds of the committee tonight and tomorrow while they pick the field.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Colorado trails Baylor, yes Baylor, by 5 with 8:27 remaining. Another bubble team who probably wasn't in at the moment making it easy to be excluded from the tourney.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

FSU and Michigan both losing gives hope to the bubble teams dismayed by GW's failure and Syracuse's success.

 

Both are out if it were up to me. Michigan's done, without my say-so. FSU is probably one of the last teams in at best.

 

Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's, and especially FSU's. Even with today's loss. Main question will be what sticks in the minds of the committee tonight and tomorrow while they pick the field.

 

I'm having a tough time seeing how Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's. KenPom's breakdown showing their records v. different ranges of RPI's is very similar, and Syracuse has a much better SOS. Add in the fact that Michigan is fading hard while Syracuse appears to be coming on strong and I'd say that Syracuse has a better case.

[rawaction]

FSU and Michigan both losing gives hope to the bubble teams dismayed by GW's failure and Syracuse's success.

 

Both are out if it were up to me. Michigan's done, without my say-so. FSU is probably one of the last teams in at best.

 

Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's, and especially FSU's. Even with today's loss. Main question will be what sticks in the minds of the committee tonight and tomorrow while they pick the field.

 

I'm having a tough time seeing how Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's. KenPom's breakdown showing their records v. different ranges of RPI's is very similar, and Syracuse has a much better SOS. Add in the fact that Michigan is fading hard while Syracuse appears to be coming on strong and I'd say that Syracuse has a better case.

 

FSU has wins over Maryland, Duke, and Miami in the last month. Granted Michigan has had injuries, but FSU's resume is just as good/bad. I agree with TT, Cuse has a better one than both.

[bukie]

I'm having a tough time seeing how Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's. KenPom's breakdown showing their records v. different ranges of RPI's is very similar, and Syracuse has a much better SOS. Add in the fact that Michigan is fading hard while Syracuse appears to be coming on strong and I'd say that Syracuse has a better case.

 

I think Michigan and Syracuse's recent play mirror each other's, aside from today (which admittedly favors Syracuse). Their overall numbers vs. the RPI are similar, but Michigan has much better efficiency numbers (which perhaps I take more stock in than others).

 

I am of the opinion based on efficiency numbers that Michigan looks good more often than Syracuse does, and looks bad less often than Syracuse does. However, today is likely fresh in the mind of the committee.

 

As for Florida State, they have 1 good win all year, and have made a habit of beating up on bad teams while losing close to good teams. If beating Duke is grounds for making the tournament (which I wouldn't put past the committee, citing past year's invites), then they are in. If having the numbers is grounds, they are further out than Albany.

[SouthSideRyan]

FSU and Michigan both losing gives hope to the bubble teams dismayed by GW's failure and Syracuse's success.

 

Both are out if it were up to me. Michigan's done, without my say-so. FSU is probably one of the last teams in at best.

 

Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's, and especially FSU's. Even with today's loss. Main question will be what sticks in the minds of the committee tonight and tomorrow while they pick the field.

 

I'm having a tough time seeing how Michigan's resume is much better than Syracuse's. KenPom's breakdown showing their records v. different ranges of RPI's is very similar, and Syracuse has a much better SOS. Add in the fact that Michigan is fading hard while Syracuse appears to be coming on strong and I'd say that Syracuse has a better case.

 

FSU has wins over Maryland, Duke, and Miami in the last month. Granted Michigan has had injuries, but FSU's resume is just as good/bad. I agree with TT, Cuse has a better one than both.

 

Miami is not a good basketball team, and Maryland is a borderline bubble team at best. Michigan has beaten MSU, Wisconsin, and Illinois.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I swear Colorado has 28 players on their team. I watched them play Mizzou twice, and several other teams on TV, and there's players I hear the names of that I've never heard before. They lead Baylor by 3 with half a minute remaining, Baylor ball.

 

 

Update: Colorado wins.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Arizona beats Stanford 73-68 to advance to the semifinals. They'll play the winner of UCLA/Oregon State. If the Wildcats were on the bubble, that's gotta get them in the tourney.

[hawkeyecub]

Go Oregon State. By most accounts Iowa is right with UCLA for a 3/4 seed.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Go Oregon State. By most accounts Iowa is right with UCLA for a 3/4 seed.

 

Boo!