Baseball This Morning Talks Trading Zambrano

[Mark Priors Calves]

Zambrano is probably the only player on the current Cubs roster that I would not trade for Abreu.

[Wheelimus]

You think? Williams had a 3.98 ERA in 17 starts with the Cubs last year, 104 innings. He'll only be 25 when next season begins, and will only have 2 years of MLB service time. He isn't even arbitration eligible yet. He isn't going to make more than $500,000 next year. His trade value should be extremely high.

 

Rich Hill is a "near MLB ready" prospect who is going to be very cheap for a long time.

 

Add in another prospect, and if we were to not make Philly eat much contract, I think we have something to work with.

[rawaction]

You think? Williams had a 3.98 ERA in 17 starts with the Cubs last year, 104 innings. He'll only be 25 when next season begins, and will only have 2 years of MLB service time. He isn't even arbitration eligible yet. He isn't going to make more than $500,000 next year. His trade value should be extremely high.

 

Rich Hill is a "near MLB ready" prospect who is going to be very cheap for a long time.

 

Add in another prospect, and if we were to not make Philly eat much contract, I think we have something to work with.

 

Jerome would give up a ton of HRs in that park. He's a flyball pitcher, and he walks a bunch of men.

[imb]

Z will probably break down this year, anyway.

[Diffusion]

You think? Williams had a 3.98 ERA in 17 starts with the Cubs last year, 104 innings. He'll only be 25 when next season begins, and will only have 2 years of MLB service time. He isn't even arbitration eligible yet. He isn't going to make more than $500,000 next year. His trade value should be extremely high.

 

Rich Hill is a "near MLB ready" prospect who is going to be very cheap for a long time.

 

Add in another prospect, and if we were to not make Philly eat much contract, I think we have something to work with.

 

Jerome would give up a ton of HRs in that park. He's a flyball pitcher, and he walks a bunch of men.

 

They're moving the fences back though, aren't they?

[JeffH]

By what measure is Jerome Williams a flyball pitcher?

[UBlink]

You think? Williams had a 3.98 ERA in 17 starts with the Cubs last year, 104 innings. He'll only be 25 when next season begins, and will only have 2 years of MLB service time. He isn't even arbitration eligible yet. He isn't going to make more than $500,000 next year. His trade value should be extremely high.

 

Rich Hill is a "near MLB ready" prospect who is going to be very cheap for a long time.

 

Add in another prospect, and if we were to not make Philly eat much contract, I think we have something to work with.

 

Forget about having Philly eat any contract - we have money. Having them eat some of the contract just means we have to give up more in talent that we don't have to spare.

[USSoccer]

That would be a terrible trade. It makes you pitching markedly worse. No way I'd do that.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Not in a million years, Zambrano owned the Cards and Astros, 4-1, 1.99 ERA,

for that alone you keep Zambrano.

 

Unfortunately, there are 3 other teams in the division.

 

Zambrano          IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA  W/L
vs. Cincy       10.7   10    9    9    6   14    3   220  5.06 11.81  2.53  1.50  7.59  0-0
vs. Milw        24.0   18   11   11   10   24    1   373  3.75  9.00  0.38  1.17  4.13  2-2
vs. Pitts       21.7   16   11   10   10   18    3   320  4.15  7.48  1.25  1.20  4.15  2-0

[CuseCubFan69]

That would be a terrible trade. It makes you pitching markedly worse. No way I'd do that.

 

Abreu did win a Gold Glove though. :D

 

If Hendry is going pitching and defense I don't see how he makes this deal unless he has 2 more pitchers ready to take Z's place. Unless, Hendry knows something that we don't about Z like an injury or he won't stay with the Cubs once he becomes a free agent.

[hardcorecubfan]

the only team I would trade Z to is Florida for Dontrell and Becket in one package and we know that won't happen.

[CuseCubFan69]

Not in a million years, Zambrano owned the Cards and Astros, 4-1, 1.99 ERA,

for that alone you keep Zambrano.

 

Unfortunately, there are 3 other teams in the division.

 

Zambrano          IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA  W/L
vs. Cincy       10.7   10    9    9    6   14    3   220  5.06 11.81  2.53  1.50  7.59  0-0
vs. Milw        24.0   18   11   11   10   24    1   373  3.75  9.00  0.38  1.17  4.13  2-2
vs. Pitts       21.7   16   11   10   10   18    3   320  4.15  7.48  1.25  1.20  4.15  2-0

 

When did they get in the Central? Oh yeah, 18 teams in the Cubs division and 4 in both of the AL/NL West divisions I forgot.

[Backtobanks]

No on this trade and probably any rumored trade with Zambrano in it. The Cubs need to use their money, spare parts (Walker, Rusch, Williams, Patterson, Mitre, Welly, etc.), and prospects to fill their holes. All of these rumored trades mentioning our "untouchables" (Lee, Prior, Zambrano, Ramirez, Pie, etc.) just fills one hole by opening a new hole. I'm confident that Hendry can fill the holes without breaking up the foundation of the team.

[rawaction]

By what measure is Jerome Williams a flyball pitcher?

 

By GB/FB ratio. 1.14. Gave up just 20 more balls on the ground than in the air. He was much better in 04, but was very similar in 03.

 

To put it in perspective, Jerome was slightly in the lower half of baseball in GB/FB ratio.

[muntjack]

Maybe for Miguel Cabrera. Maybe.

 

Not only is Z already one of the top 10 starters in baseball, It's obvious he's on the doorstep of something MUCH better.

 

Come to think of it, I don't trade him for anyone straight up.

[bc2k]

Not in a million years, Zambrano owned the Cards and Astros, 4-1, 1.99 ERA,

for that alone you keep Zambrano.

 

I agree with this. Especially since I've heard from a couple Phillies fans that Abreu doesn't hit in the clutch and his swing was messed up the entire second half from the home run derby.

 

When is Zambrano scheduled to become a FA?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Not in a million years, Zambrano owned the Cards and Astros, 4-1, 1.99 ERA,

for that alone you keep Zambrano.

 

I agree with this. Especially since I've heard from a couple Phillies fans that Abreu doesn't hit in the clutch and his swing was messed up the entire second half from the home run derby.

 

When is Zambrano scheduled to become a FA?

 

Abreu hits "in the clutch". He had a poor second half by his standards, and that's apparently causing some things to be said about him(much like A-Rod) that simply aren't true.

 

Zambrano is a Free Agent after the 2007 season.

[Andy]

Not in a million years, Zambrano owned the Cards and Astros, 4-1, 1.99 ERA,

for that alone you keep Zambrano.

 

I agree with this. Especially since I've heard from a couple Phillies fans that Abreu doesn't hit in the clutch and his swing was messed up the entire second half from the home run derby.

 

When is Zambrano scheduled to become a FA?

 

Abreu hits "in the clutch". He had a poor second half by his standards, and that's apparently causing some things to be said about him(much like A-Rod) that simply aren't true.

Zambrano is a Free Agent after the 2007 season.

I'd expect an extension for Carlos before the 07 season unless he breaks down sometime in 2006 (which I don't think he'll do).

[Careless]

You think? Williams had a 3.98 ERA in 17 starts with the Cubs last year, 104 innings. He'll only be 25 when next season begins, and will only have 2 years of MLB service time. He isn't even arbitration eligible yet. He isn't going to make more than $500,000 next year. His trade value should be extremely high.

 

Rich Hill is a "near MLB ready" prospect who is going to be very cheap for a long time.

 

Add in another prospect, and if we were to not make Philly eat much contract, I think we have something to work with.

Only 2 years of service? he pitched 22 games in 2003

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You think? Williams had a 3.98 ERA in 17 starts with the Cubs last year, 104 innings. He'll only be 25 when next season begins, and will only have 2 years of MLB service time. He isn't even arbitration eligible yet. He isn't going to make more than $500,000 next year. His trade value should be extremely high.

 

Rich Hill is a "near MLB ready" prospect who is going to be very cheap for a long time.

 

Add in another prospect, and if we were to not make Philly eat much contract, I think we have something to work with.

Only 2 years of service? he pitched 22 games in 2003

 

He'll be under 3 years, he only had 1.120 going into this year.

[katway]

Abreu has a big contract, will be 32 when the season starts, and can't man center field. It would make no sense to trade either Prior or Zambrano for him.

[NorthsideAvenger]

There is no such thing as "untradeable" in baseball, to me that became readily true, when the Dodgers dealt Piazza to the Marlins. So, I wouldn't say I wouldn't trade Zambrano, but it would take alot more then a 32 yr old, productive OFer. (remember you don't trade YOUNG VALUABLE PITCHING, for an older, more expensive hitter).

 

There are only two people I'd trade Zambrano for: Albert Pujols, and Vladimir Guerrero, that's it. And seeing as I love Zambrano fiery passion, and bulldog mentality, not to mention he is on the grasp of winning a Cy Young, I don't know if I would even trade Zambrano for Pujols or Guerrero. (and no I am not drunk)

 

For those who say, they would trade Prior before Zambrano, I'd say...I wouldn't unless you get Rich Harden, Johan Santana, or Roy Halladay type pitcher in return. Other then that, IMO, you're trading Prior just to trade Prior, in a hypethethical situation, and IMO, Prior still has as much value as Zambrano, the question is health.

Edited November 4, 2005 by NorthsideAvenger

[nt3d]

Buck Martinez this morning suggested Philly trading Abreu for Zambrano. Would any of you do this trade? I'm sure he talking hypothetically. At least I think he was?

 

I'd do it for Bobby Abreu and Brett Meyers, and Utley. I would trade Zambrano before Prior.

Edited November 3, 2005 by nt3d

[USSoccer]

Buck Martinez this morning suggested Philly trading Abreu for Zambrano. Would any of you do this trade? I'm sure he talking hypothetically. At least I think he was?

 

I'd do it for Bobby Abreu and Brett Meyers.

 

That would be a disaster of massive proportions for this team.

[nt3d]

Buck Martinez this morning suggested Philly trading Abreu for Zambrano. Would any of you do this trade? I'm sure he talking hypothetically. At least I think he was?

 

I'd do it for Bobby Abreu and Brett Meyers.

 

That would be a disaster of massive proportions for this team.

 

I don't think it would be a bad trade. Zambrano is a great pitcher. Abreu is a great hitter. Myers has comparable stuff to Z (maybe better), strikes out a ton of guys, is the same age. I edited the post if you included Utley, I do it, you solve 3 problems. For a guy who still has control problems from time to time, and the big inning sometimes.