Giles a redbird???(sigh......)

[nick23]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

I disagree. What the Cardinals do this offseason has no effect on our success next season. As long as we improve in the areas that need improving we'll be fine. My ideal offseason would be trade for Huff, sign Furcal, and improve the bullpen. I'm fine with the rotation the way it is. Williams is a good 5th starter imo.

Furcal

Walker

Lee

Aramis

Huff

Murton

Barret

Corey

 

With an improved bullpen, we can make the playoffs with that team. Regardless of what the Cards do.

[HoopsCubs]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

And, if he goes there, nobody should be surprised.

 

The Cards are consistent winners, have an opening in OF, and have the cash to pay him.

[BigbadB]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

And, if he goes there, nobody should be surprised.

 

The Cards are consistent winners, have an opening in OF, and have the cash to pay him.

 

Wasn't I just hearing that St. Louis was not going to increase their budget. If that's the case, I'm not sure they have the money to spend on Giles. Besides, with the guys they have, a guy like Jacque Jones makes much more sense.

[daske17]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

And, if he goes there, nobody should be surprised.

 

The Cards are consistent winners, have an opening in OF, and have the cash to pay him.

 

Wasn't I just hearing that St. Louis was not going to increase their budget. If that's the case, I'm not sure they have the money to spend on Giles. Besides, with the guys they have, a guy like Jacque Jones makes much more sense.

 

I thought they would increase their budget because of the increased revenue from their new ballpark. Unless they have already spent that money elsewhere?

[YearofDaCubs]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

I disagree. What the Cardinals do this offseason has no effect on our success next season. As long as we improve in the areas that need improving we'll be fine. My ideal offseason would be trade for Huff, sign Furcal, and improve the bullpen. I'm fine with the rotation the way it is. Williams is a good 5th starter imo.

Furcal

Walker

Lee

Aramis

Huff

Murton

Barret

Corey

 

With an improved bullpen, we can make the playoffs with that team. Regardless of what the Cards do.

In this instance I think it does matter because it will be difficult to trade for a player the caliber of Giles. If he indeed goes to the Cards our options in RF just diminished.

[wastra]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

I disagree. What the Cardinals do this offseason has no effect on our success next season. As long as we improve in the areas that need improving we'll be fine. My ideal offseason would be trade for Huff, sign Furcal, and improve the bullpen. I'm fine with the rotation the way it is. Williams is a good 5th starter imo.

Furcal

Walker

Lee

Aramis

Huff

Murton

Barret

Corey

 

With an improved bullpen, we can make the playoffs with that team. Regardless of what the Cards do.

 

 

IMO, that offense doesn't even mildly compare to St. Louis'.

 

Furcal is highly overrated. he's simply not a great offensive player, and I think many of our fans are placing far too much hope in how much he would "improve" the offense. He steals a lot of bases, but he's not particularly good at getting on base for a leadoff hitter. Huff is coming off a terrible year, so that's a gamble at best. Corey was darn near the worst player in baseball last year. BArret's fine, Lee is very good, but we have to question whether he'll be 2005 DLee or somehwere between '05 (batting champ, slugging the snot out of the ball) and the rest of his career (very good, but not one of the top 3 hitters in baseball.) Don't get me wrong, I want him to be a Cub for a looong time now, but I don't know that we should expect him to repeat his '05 numbers every year.

 

Ramirez is great, and I really hope Walker is back. But to be honest, as a whole, I don't like that lineup. I don't see it as a significant upgrade to what we already have, and it's far and away short of a Cardinals offense with Giles.

 

 

I really think the Cubs need to be the big players this off-season in adding top-notch talent. they must add one impact bat (at least) and at least one or two above average bats in addition to a bullpen arm or two. Furcal and Huff don't cut it, IMO.

[CubfaninCA]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

And, if he goes there, nobody should be surprised.

 

The Cards are consistent winners, have an opening in OF, and have the cash to pay him.

 

Exactly, but you forgot to add that they have the world's greatest fans. ;)

 

They aren't invincible though. An injury to Carpenter and another starter brings them back to the pack. That rotation's due for some bad health.

[Jehrico]

I don't think there's much of a chance he goes to St L. Both us and St L will have to significantly top any offer that SD extends to him. I don't think the Cards will be able to offer him above and beyond what SD is likely to offer him. We will be able to, but the question is, will we? I put the likelihood of him going to the Cards at about 5-10%.

[CubfaninCA]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

[TB_11]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

[YearofDaCubs]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

very big if.

[gflore34]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

very big if.

 

Very, very big if, getting 25 - 30 starts out of each is the key to 2006, if that happens the Cubs make the playoffs.

[snoodmonger]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

And if Prior returns to old form, too. The prior of the second half of the season won't be enough.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

very big if.

 

:pig:

[CubfaninCA]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

 

The law of averages are with the Cubs. Hopefully the baseball gods are too. Prior and Z should be fine. If Wood goes down again, I hope he isn't wearing Cubbie blue after 2006.

[LoneStarCubFan]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

very big if.

 

It's also a very big if that Rolen and Edmonds will stay healthy for an entire year or that the Cards' bullpen will remain solid. Or that the Cards rotation will remain healthy for that matter.

 

The Cardinals signing Giles by itself doesn't doom the Cubs. Hendry failing to improve the ballclub at all would be a bigger factor.

[YearofDaCubs]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

 

The law of averages are with the Cubs. Hopefully the baseball gods are too. Prior and Z should be fine. If Wood goes down again, I hope he isn't wearing Cubbie blue after 2006.

Law of averages with the Cubs? I'm going to go out on a limb and say I wont expect anything positive about our pitchers pertaining to injuries.

[sethuel1]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

 

The law of averages are with the Cubs. Hopefully the baseball gods are too. Prior and Z should be fine. If Wood goes down again, I hope he isn't wearing Cubbie blue after 2006.

 

"I just threw a coin and got heads five times in a row. Therefore, this time I will get tails."

[CubfaninCA]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

 

The law of averages are with the Cubs. Hopefully the baseball gods are too. Prior and Z should be fine. If Wood goes down again, I hope he isn't wearing Cubbie blue after 2006.

Law of averages with the Cubs? I'm going to go out on a limb and say I wont expect anything positive about our pitchers pertaining to injuries.

 

This is why Cardinal fans are sooo great. They're not negative. :o

[Magnetic Curses]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

And if Prior returns to old form, too. The prior of the second half of the season won't be enough.

 

good pitchers have bad years, especially after getting hit in the freaking pitching elbow with a line drive. if it's the worst we see from prior, i'll be happy.

 

prior makes more than 30 starts next season, puts up an era under 3 and wins the k title, book it.

[YearofDaCubs]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

 

The law of averages are with the Cubs. Hopefully the baseball gods are too. Prior and Z should be fine. If Wood goes down again, I hope he isn't wearing Cubbie blue after 2006.

Law of averages with the Cubs? I'm going to go out on a limb and say I wont expect anything positive about our pitchers pertaining to injuries.

 

This is why Cardinal fans are sooo great. They're not negative. :o

They are not negative because they have positive things to talk about. When I start seeing positive things happening within this organization then I will be too. Until then, it's misery time. What exactly should be be happy about? 4th place in our division? Having the best manager in this world? Having no fundamentals and league low OBP? Ahh, it's the healthiest pitching staff that I should be happy with. I'm sure you get the gist of it. At this point in time there is nothing to be optimistic about.

[erik316wttn]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

I disagree. What the Cardinals do this offseason has no effect on our success next season. As long as we improve in the areas that need improving we'll be fine. My ideal offseason would be trade for Huff, sign Furcal, and improve the bullpen. I'm fine with the rotation the way it is. Williams is a good 5th starter imo.

Furcal

Walker

Lee

Aramis

Huff

Murton

Barret

Corey

 

With an improved bullpen, we can make the playoffs with that team. Regardless of what the Cards do.

 

 

IMO, that offense doesn't even mildly compare to St. Louis'.

 

Furcal is highly overrated. he's simply not a great offensive player, and I think many of our fans are placing far too much hope in how much he would "improve" the offense. He steals a lot of bases, but he's not particularly good at getting on base for a leadoff hitter. Huff is coming off a terrible year, so that's a gamble at best. Corey was darn near the worst player in baseball last year. BArret's fine, Lee is very good, but we have to question whether he'll be 2005 DLee or somehwere between '05 (batting champ, slugging the snot out of the ball) and the rest of his career (very good, but not one of the top 3 hitters in baseball.) Don't get me wrong, I want him to be a Cub for a looong time now, but I don't know that we should expect him to repeat his '05 numbers every year.

 

Ramirez is great, and I really hope Walker is back. But to be honest, as a whole, I don't like that lineup. I don't see it as a significant upgrade to what we already have, and it's far and away short of a Cardinals offense with Giles.

 

 

I really think the Cubs need to be the big players this off-season in adding top-notch talent. they must add one impact bat (at least) and at least one or two above average bats in addition to a bullpen arm or two. Furcal and Huff don't cut it, IMO.

 

I don't know if I"d want Huff here.

 

Maybe if we could get him for a bargain, as he's coming off a bad year and doesn't seem to be welcome in Tampa, I'd give it a shot. But I wouldn't be willing to give up too much for him.

[XZero771679666304]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

 

The law of averages are with the Cubs. Hopefully the baseball gods are too. Prior and Z should be fine. If Wood goes down again, I hope he isn't wearing Cubbie blue after 2006.

 

"I just threw a coin and got heads five times in a row. Therefore, this time I will get tails."

 

I think people forget that Wood did pitch 200+ innngs in 2002 and 2003. Now he has his shoulder cleaned up. It is far from a sure thing he will pitch a full season, but the chances are at least even that he will, IMO.

[TB_11]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

 

hyperbole

 

If Prior, Z and Wood are all healthy, the Cubs can beat anyone.

 

That's proven to be a big if.

 

The law of averages are with the Cubs. Hopefully the baseball gods are too. Prior and Z should be fine. If Wood goes down again, I hope he isn't wearing Cubbie blue after 2006.

 

We haven't won the World Series in 97 years. If the law of averages applies to baseball, it certainly is not with the Cubs.

[Backtobanks]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

 

They're in so much trouble that they will probably win the Central Division by only 10-12 games next year. Their policy of overspending for 1 player and hurting the overall team should hasn't seemed to hurt them the last few seasons.

 

When last seen, the Cards were packing their cars after the Stros buried them. How did that Larry Walker deal work out for you?

 

First of all, Cards is really stupid.

 

Second of all, There's not one of us who wouldn't have wanted the Cards' success this year. The playoffs are a crapshoot, losing in them doesn't make you inferior, especially coming from a fan of a team who missed the playoffs.

 

Thirdly, I'm pretty sure the Walker deal worked out fine for them. They got him for basically nothing, and at a discount, and now I don't think they have to pay his buyout since he retired. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

 

I second every part of this.

 

BTW, I highly doubt Backtobanks is a Cards fan... :wink: He's just acknowledging, as most of us with a brain do, that the Cards have run their organization far better than the Cubs have the last few years (er, always).

 

I certainly am not a Cards fan. I've been a Cubs fan since 1954 (hence the name) and I am acknowledging that I respect teams that are contenders year in and year out while the Cubs struggle with a larger budget and a bigger fan base. When all of the discussion about Giles started, I wrote that I could see him going to the Cards because he was the kind of player that would fit in with the team. I hope the rumors are false and if he is coming to the midwest, let's make it the Cubs.