Giles a redbird???(sigh......)

[WrigleyinEngland]

This mornings article on rusch contains a chilling line from Sullivan' Giles who appera on his way to St Louis'. Man i concede the season on Nov 1st if this happens!!!!

[E.J.]

Here's the article (Registration Required):

 

Chicago Sports

 

With free-agent right fielder Brian Giles appeared headed for St. Louis, the Cubs are likely to sign or trade for one or possibly two outfielders, depending on the Patterson decision. Florida center fielder Juan Pierre reportedly is on the market, and despite a down year with a .276 average and .326 on-base percentage, his 57 steals and experience as a leadoff man would aid the Cubs.

 

It's Sullivan though. Grain of Salt comes to mind in a hurry.

[David]

Yep. I can't remember the last time Sullivan had a scoop on anything.

 

Here's hoping he's wrong about this and his "right fielder with more speed than power" idea.

[Banedon]

Bruce mentioned something about Pierre as well.

 

Leading man: One of the top priorities for the Cubs this winter will be a leadoff man. If the Florida Marlins make center fielder Juan Pierre available, look for the Cubs to get involved.

 

If the Cubs can land Pierre, they’d likely try to deal center fielder Corey Patterson, who suffered through a miserable year at the plate.

 

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[CubbieRich]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

[Backtobanks]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

 

They're in so much trouble that they will probably win the Central Division by only 10-12 games next year. Their policy of overspending for 1 player and hurting the overall team should hasn't seemed to hurt them the last few seasons.

[David]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

 

Outside of the aging problem, you pretty much just described the Cubs outfield situation as well.

 

I don't want Giles anywhere near St. Louis...bring him here, Jim.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Pierre? Come on, Hendry. You'd better get the giles brothers if you're going to pull that crap.

[WrigleyinEngland]

If Healthy,

 

1. SS Eckstien

2. CF Edmonds

3. 1B Pujols

4. RF B Giles

5. 3B Role

 

 

'Wake up wake up its just a nightmare'...thanks Mom!!!!!!

[CubbieRich]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

 

They're in so much trouble that they will probably win the Central Division by only 10-12 games next year. Their policy of overspending for 1 player and hurting the overall team should hasn't seemed to hurt them the last few seasons.

 

When last seen, the Cards were packing their cars after the Stros buried them. How did that Larry Walker deal work out for you?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

 

They're in so much trouble that they will probably win the Central Division by only 10-12 games next year. Their policy of overspending for 1 player and hurting the overall team should hasn't seemed to hurt them the last few seasons.

 

When last seen, the Cards were packing their cars after the Stros buried them. How did that Larry Walker deal work out for you?

 

First of all, Cards is really stupid.

 

Second of all, There's not one of us who wouldn't have wanted the Cards' success this year. The playoffs are a crapshoot, losing in them doesn't make you inferior, especially coming from a fan of a team who missed the playoffs.

 

Thirdly, I'm pretty sure the Walker deal worked out fine for them. They got him for basically nothing, and at a discount, and now I don't think they have to pay his buyout since he retired. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

[David]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

 

They're in so much trouble that they will probably win the Central Division by only 10-12 games next year. Their policy of overspending for 1 player and hurting the overall team should hasn't seemed to hurt them the last few seasons.

 

When last seen, the Cards were packing their cars after the Stros buried them. How did that Larry Walker deal work out for you?

 

First of all, Cards is really stupid.

 

Second of all, There's not one of us who wouldn't have wanted the Cards' success this year. The playoffs are a crapshoot, losing in them doesn't make you inferior, especially coming from a fan of a team who missed the playoffs.

 

Thirdly, I'm pretty sure the Walker deal worked out fine for them. They got him for basically nothing, and at a discount, and now I don't think they have to pay his buyout since he retired. Sounds like a sweet deal to me.

 

I second every part of this.

 

BTW, I highly doubt Backtobanks is a Cards fan... :wink: He's just acknowledging, as most of us with a brain do, that the Cards have run their organization far better than the Cubs have the last few years (er, always).

[Banedon]

They need a LF and RF, plus Edmonds is getting older and has been showing signs the last couple years of being injured later in the year. They have no position players in the minors ready to step up and only questionable pitching(Marquis) to trade. It wouldn't surprise me for them to go after Giles hard. I hope they do what they always do, overspend for 1 player and hurt their overall team.

 

They're in so much trouble that they will probably win the Central Division by only 10-12 games next year. Their policy of overspending for 1 player and hurting the overall team should hasn't seemed to hurt them the last few seasons.

 

When last seen, the Cards were packing their cars after the Stros buried them. How did that Larry Walker deal work out for you?

 

I don't think Backtobanks is a Cardinal fan, but is just stating an observation. Let's keep the smack talk in the Rivalries forum, if we have to do it at all.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BTW, I highly doubt Backtobanks is a Cards fan... :wink: He's just acknowledging, as most of us with a brain do, that the Cards have run their organization far better than the Cubs have the last few years (er, always).

 

I agree with you, right up until you added that needless hyperbole at the end. I realize this is ancient history, but for the time being, it's all we've got.

 

          1876 thru 1925                            World Series
team                        W       L     pct    PA     W     L

Chicago Cubs             3712    2890   0.562     5     2     3
St. Louis Cardinals      2100    2878   0.422     0     0     0

[LuvChicagoSports]

The Cardinals and the Cubs are not even allowed to talk to Giles' agent at this point. The only team allowed to negotiate with him is the Padres. How one can speculate that he is expected to head to St. Louis seems a bit odd. I guess that goes with all those that expected Beltran to be a Yankee last year. No one even knows what the Cards are willing to offer Giles, or even if he has any interest in playing there.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Teams are allowed to express interest and ask if there is mutual interest. They are not allowed to discuss financial terms or negotiate a contract until the exclusive window passes.

[David]

BTW, I highly doubt Backtobanks is a Cards fan... :wink: He's just acknowledging, as most of us with a brain do, that the Cards have run their organization far better than the Cubs have the last few years (er, always).

 

I agree with you, right up until you added that needless hyperbole at the end. I realize this is ancient history, but for the time being, it's all we've got.

 

          1876 thru 1925                            World Series
team                        W       L     pct    PA     W     L

Chicago Cubs             3712    2890   0.562     5     2     3
St. Louis Cardinals      2100    2878   0.422     0     0     0

 

Wow, how did I forget the turn of the century.. :wink: :lol: :lol:

[Fred Hornkohl]

Wow, how did I forget the turn of the century.. :wink: :lol: :lol:

 

Laugh if you must.... but in the whole history of the game, only 4 teams have been able to sustain a winning pct of 56% for 50 years. Can you name them ?

 

edit: Hint. St. Louis isn't one them.

[TheDude]

I don't put much stock in these reports.

 

We've had reports saying that the Padres, Cardinals, and Cubs are all the front runners.

 

This guy is going to make bank somewhere.

[RynoRules]

Wow, how did I forget the turn of the century.. :wink: :lol: :lol:

 

Laugh if you must.... but in the whole history of the game, only 4 teams have been able to sustain a winning pct of 56% for 50 years. Can you name them ?

 

edit: Hint. St. Louis isn't one them.

 

Great trivia question. My guesses:

 

Yanks

Cubs (late 1800s through first half of 20th century?)

Athletics (beginning in Philly)

Dodgers?

[RynoRules]

And please do not put anything in what Sullivan writes. His work is full of supisition and utterly baseless, naked conclusions.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Great trivia question. My guesses:

 

Yanks

Cubs (late 1800s through first half of 20th century?)

Athletics (beginning in Philly)

Dodgers?

 

Excellent guess. Replace the A's with the NY/SF Giants, and you're dead on.

[RynoRules]

Great trivia question. My guesses:

 

Yanks

Cubs (late 1800s through first half of 20th century?)

Athletics (beginning in Philly)

Dodgers?

 

Excellent guess. Replace the A's with the NY/SF Giants, and you're dead on.

 

I guess I didn't think the Giants sustained that sort of success. I have always been Dodgers-centric b/c my family is (in large part) from Brooklyn and I lived there for some time. I have a great throw-back 1955 Brooklyn hat and a poster with the 1955 team picture, which I love. Had they been in Brooklyn during my childhood (they were long gone by then), I might never have been a Cubs fan.

 

Great question, Fred. Keep em' coming.

[YearofDaCubs]

Giles goes to Cards and we are done for.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I guess I didn't think the Giants sustained that sort of success. I have always been Dodgers-centric b/c my family is (in large part) from Brooklyn and I lived there for some time. I have a great throw-back 1955 Brooklyn hat and a poster with the 1955 team picture, which I love. Had they been in Brooklyn during my childhood (they were long gone by then), I might never have been a Cubs fan.

 

Great question, Fred. Keep em' coming.

 

Thanx for the kind words. I'm sure you'll appreciate the great contrast between the Dodgers and the Giants, with the Dodgers winning their first WS in 1955 the year after the Giants won their last one. Consider these 2 time frames......

 

          1876 thru 1954                            World Series
team                        W       L     pct    PA     W     L

Los Angeles Dodgers      4939    4740   0.510     7     0     7
San Francisco Giants     5851    4652   0.557    14     5     9


         1955 thru 2005                            World Series
team                        W       L     pct    PA     W     L

Los Angeles Dodgers      4364    3717   0.540    16     6     5
San Francisco Giants     4190    3895   0.518     8     0     3

 

That's quite a reversal of fortunes, even though neither team was ever bad for any prolonged period of time.