Predict the Apology

[SouthSideRyan]

Haven't read through the thread, but in case it hasn't been posted, here's a link to the highlights from yesterday. (Click yesterday, then Angels/White Sox, then Escobar strikes out the side.)

 

The last strike out in the set is in the dirt. Eddings makes the swing and miss call with his right arm, and then after the tag is applied he pumps the fist.

 

Not only is Eddings incompetent, he's a liar.

[Chris]

Can someone post the video? We can call it a new server test, ha ha

[CuseCubFan69]

That means the ump put the Angels in a disadvantage.

 

I went home for lunch and watched ESPNEWS and they discussed it. They said that essentially the umpire balked on the call and he deceived the players for the Angels.

 

So they assumed it was an out when it wasn't. I don't deny that the ump screwed up but the Angels are not without fault in this.

 

I don't like this line of thinking. It works to excuse the initial mistake that caused all the trouble. The Angels "mistake" was only a "mistake" because the ump screwed up. That's like saying a driver is at fault when an oncoming car is heading straight at them, and he swerves to avoid the head on collision, then ticketing that driver for changing lanes without signaling. The Angels did nothing wrong. They just failed to make up for the ump's huge blunder.

 

I am not excusing the initial mistake by the ump. Watch the replay and tell me if Paul isn't sprintiing for the clubhouse and already rolls the ball before the ump pumps his hand.

 

He rolled the ball right after the ump pumped his hand. But, Paul never looked at the ump.

 

We saw two different games because Paul took off right after he caught the ball. AJP took a couple of steps towards his bench..looked at the ump and didn't see the out sign and ran. Only then did the ump pump his hand once AJP already took off.

[goonys evil twin]

I watched the replay and Paul was in a dead sprint for the bench before the fist pump. IMO he was trying to sell the strike as much as AJP was selling the bounce.

 

How can you have such an opinion when he had nothing to sell. It was clearly a strike. Why would a catcher try to sell the fact that he caught the ball when all he'd have to do if he didn't catch the ball, or thought it was close enough to justify "selling" something, is tag the runner. There was nothing to sell. It was already called.

[Andy]

Haven't read through the thread, but in case it hasn't been posted, here's a link to the highlights from yesterday. (Click yesterday, then Angels/White Sox, then Escobar strikes out the side.)

 

The last strike out in the set is in the dirt. Eddings makes the swing and miss call with his right arm, and then after the tag is applied he pumps the fist.

 

Not only is Eddings incompetent, he's a liar.

That's not the only instance either. Same thing with Jose Molina's K back in the 6th, or around that time. Pumps the first once the tag is applied. Eddings is a liar and so is the rest of that umpiring crew.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Can someone post the video? We can call it a new server test, ha ha

 

I posted a link to it.

[XZero771679666304]

I am not excusing the initial mistake by the ump. Watch the replay and tell me if Paul isn't sprintiing for the clubhouse and already rolls the ball before the ump pumps his hand.

 

I've seen it, and that is definitely not the case. The ump called him out, paul rolled (and didn't sprint anywhere), then AJ ran, the ump froze, looked confused as hell, then panicked and didn't know what to do, then just stood around like an indignant idiot defending his ineptitude.

 

You're right. I saw the fist pump while Paul was still in his crouch. If the Angels are at fault there, then everyone better tag every batter after every strike 3 call, everytime.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

That means the ump put the Angels in a disadvantage.

 

I went home for lunch and watched ESPNEWS and they discussed it. They said that essentially the umpire balked on the call and he deceived the players for the Angels.

 

So they assumed it was an out when it wasn't. I don't deny that the ump screwed up but the Angels are not without fault in this.

 

I don't like this line of thinking. It works to excuse the initial mistake that caused all the trouble. The Angels "mistake" was only a "mistake" because the ump screwed up. That's like saying a driver is at fault when an oncoming car is heading straight at them, and he swerves to avoid the head on collision, then ticketing that driver for changing lanes without signaling. The Angels did nothing wrong. They just failed to make up for the ump's huge blunder.

 

I am not excusing the initial mistake by the ump. Watch the replay and tell me if Paul isn't sprintiing for the clubhouse and already rolls the ball before the ump pumps his hand.

 

He rolled the ball right after the ump pumped his hand. But, Paul never looked at the ump.

 

We saw two different games because Paul took off right after he caught the ball. AJP took a couple of steps towards his bench..looked at the ump and didn't see the out sign and ran. Only then did the ump pump his hand once AJP already took off.

 

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article_perspectives.jsp?ymd=20051013&content_id=1248589&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I am not excusing the initial mistake by the ump. Watch the replay and tell me if Paul isn't sprintiing for the clubhouse and already rolls the ball before the ump pumps his hand.

 

I've seen it, and that is definitely not the case. The ump called him out, paul rolled (and didn't sprint anywhere), then AJ ran, the ump froze, looked confused as hell, then panicked and didn't know what to do, then just stood around like an indignant idiot defending his ineptitude.

 

You're right. I saw the fist pump while Paul was still in his crouch. If the Angels are at fault there, then everyone better tag every batter after every strike 3 call, everytime.

 

The Angels definitely will.

[Andy]

I am not excusing the initial mistake by the ump. Watch the replay and tell me if Paul isn't sprintiing for the clubhouse and already rolls the ball before the ump pumps his hand.

 

I've seen it, and that is definitely not the case. The ump called him out, paul rolled (and didn't sprint anywhere), then AJ ran, the ump froze, looked confused as hell, then panicked and didn't know what to do, then just stood around like an indignant idiot defending his ineptitude.

 

You're right. I saw the fist pump while Paul was still in his crouch. If the Angels are at fault there, then everyone better tag every batter after every strike 3 call, everytime.

 

The Angels definitely will.

And I hope they stand up, glare at the ump to make sure he is watching, then exaggeratedly tag him and leave the glove applied for a good 3 seconds. It would be humorous and it would get their point across better than anything verbal would.

[Chris]

What will be funny is when they start tagging every runner on strike three and someone gets ejected for showing up an umpire

[CaliforniaRaisin]

What will be funny is when they start tagging every runner on strike three and someone gets ejected for showing up an umpire

 

The ump wouldn't want to do that during the 3 games in Anaheim. Wouldn't want to do something that might get the home crowd mad (or whatever that was Eddings used to make an excuse about the home fans).

Edited October 13, 2005 by CaliforniaRaisin

[Chris]

What will be funny is when they start tagging every runner on strike three and someone gets ejected for showing up an umpire

 

The ump wouldn't want to do that during the 3 games in Anaheim. Wouldn't want to do something that might get the home crowd mad.

 

He had better not show up then :lol:

[CuseCubFan69]

I watched the replay and Paul was in a dead sprint for the bench before the fist pump. IMO he was trying to sell the strike as much as AJP was selling the bounce.

 

How can you have such an opinion when he had nothing to sell. It was clearly a strike. Why would a catcher try to sell the fact that he caught the ball when all he'd have to do if he didn't catch the ball, or thought it was close enough to justify "selling" something, is tag the runner. There was nothing to sell. It was already called.

 

A catchers job is to sell he caught the ball and it didn't hit the dirt. You can not tell me it wasn't close and thus Paul acting like it was a no doubt strike took off. IMO, it's Pauls job to tag the runner just to make sure there is no doubt about it.

 

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I watched the replay and Paul was in a dead sprint for the bench before the fist pump. IMO he was trying to sell the strike as much as AJP was selling the bounce.

 

How can you have such an opinion when he had nothing to sell. It was clearly a strike. Why would a catcher try to sell the fact that he caught the ball when all he'd have to do if he didn't catch the ball, or thought it was close enough to justify "selling" something, is tag the runner. There was nothing to sell. It was already called.

 

A catchers job is to sell he caught the ball and it didn't hit the dirt. You can not tell me it wasn't close and thus Paul acting like it was a no doubt strike took off. IMO, it's Pauls job to tag the runner just to make sure there is no doubt about it.

 

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

No point in selling anything. Paul just tags AJP and it's an out. Paul wasn't selling anything and didn't have to.

 

He rolled the ball simulatenously or after the out sign was made by Eddings. Watch the video.

[goonys evil twin]

I watched the replay and Paul was in a dead sprint for the bench before the fist pump. IMO he was trying to sell the strike as much as AJP was selling the bounce.

 

How can you have such an opinion when he had nothing to sell. It was clearly a strike. Why would a catcher try to sell the fact that he caught the ball when all he'd have to do if he didn't catch the ball, or thought it was close enough to justify "selling" something, is tag the runner. There was nothing to sell. It was already called.

 

A catchers job is to sell he caught the ball and it didn't hit the dirt. You can not tell me it wasn't close and thus Paul acting like it was a no doubt strike took off. IMO, it's Pauls job to tag the runner just to make sure there is no doubt about it.

 

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

No, he didn't. You're about the only person here who thinks so, and probably the only non Southsider who thinks so.

[Chris]

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

By what, 2 inches?

 

The ball was not thrown before the signal.

[CuseCubFan69]

I watched the replay and Paul was in a dead sprint for the bench before the fist pump. IMO he was trying to sell the strike as much as AJP was selling the bounce.

 

How can you have such an opinion when he had nothing to sell. It was clearly a strike. Why would a catcher try to sell the fact that he caught the ball when all he'd have to do if he didn't catch the ball, or thought it was close enough to justify "selling" something, is tag the runner. There was nothing to sell. It was already called.

 

A catchers job is to sell he caught the ball and it didn't hit the dirt. You can not tell me it wasn't close and thus Paul acting like it was a no doubt strike took off. IMO, it's Pauls job to tag the runner just to make sure there is no doubt about it.

 

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

No, he didn't. You're about the only person here who thinks so, and probably the only non Southsider who thinks so.

 

You can actually tell me that Paul looked at the ump and saw the pump and then rolled the ball? Wow you are very wrong.

[CuseCubFan69]

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

By what, 2 inches?

 

The ball was not thrown before the signal.

 

Pauls back was facing the ump. How in Gods green earth did he even see the pump?

[Chris]

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

By what, 2 inches?

 

The ball was not thrown before the signal.

 

Pauls back was facing the ump. How in Gods green earth did he even see the pump?

 

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/CXS20710130327.jpeg

 

Here is a picture of Paul walking away. Just because he's walking away doesn't mean his head isn't turned to what's going on.

[Andy]

Watching JRIB and it is clear that Classless One saw the fist before he took off. He was starting to run but he could have seen the fist. Kept running. He's a cheater. End of story.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

By what, 2 inches?

 

The ball was not thrown before the signal.

 

Pauls back was facing the ump. How in Gods green earth did he even see the pump?

 

Did you see the video? He rolled the ball after the fist and you can't tell whether he was looking at the ump or not when he did roll the ball.

[CuseCubFan69]

Paul also rolled the ball INFRONT of AJP so how could the ump give him the out sign before he rolled the ball? Watch it again because Paul rolled the ball BEFORE the out signal.

 

By what, 2 inches?

 

The ball was not thrown before the signal.

 

Pauls back was facing the ump. How in Gods green earth did he even see the pump?

 

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/CXS20710130327.jpeg

 

Here is a picture of Paul walking away. Just because he's walking away doesn't mean his head isn't turned to what's going on.

 

The ump is behind him....he can not see him. #2 the ump is NOT giving the out sign, he's giving the ball was not fouled sign. It's right there how can you not see that?

[katway]

When they slow the play down, it appears the ball does move up into the glove slightly when it's trajectory was toward the ground. so, I'm not convinced the ball never hit the ground.

 

The catcher is not looking at the ump who never uttered a word. It doesn't look like the catcher caught the umps signal, but it is odd for the ump to signal.

 

At the end of the day, this wasn't the only thing that won the game, Crede hit a legit double to capitalize.

[Careless]

A.J. is on Jim Rome's tv show atm, he just lied about how he started back to the dugout before going to 1st "I was off-balance"

At least saying you heard 2 noises is plausible (the glove hitting+ball hitting glove)