Still dont want Furcal for 2006?

[imb]

Just curious. He was ice cold for April/May, warmed up a bit for June, and posted a red hot July. .390/.449/.590/1.040

 

His season numbers are .271/.333/.417/.749 which look pretty good after a few months of Everyday Neifi. Not to mention, after May, Furcal stood at .229/.292/.330/.622

 

Anyway, I really can't see him signing for less than 4/32, and if that's the case, I'd rather go with a Nomar 1 year-5 mil+Ronny situation.

 

On the other hand, Atlanta probably won't resign him, and if enough owners are turned off by his cold start, he might come cheaper than expected.

[10man]

If Furcal can improve his OBP he would make a really good leadoff man.

 

*Now who else have we said that about?*

[NorthsideAvenger]

Just curious. He was ice cold for April/May, warmed up a bit for June, and posted a red hot July. .390/.449/.590/1.040

 

His season numbers are .271/.333/.417/.749 which look pretty good after a few months of Everyday Neifi. Not to mention, after May, Furcal stood at .229/.292/.330/.622

 

Anyway, I really can't see him signing for less than 4/32, and if that's the case, I'd rather go with a Nomar 1 year-5 mil+Ronny situation.

 

On the other hand, Atlanta probably won't resign him, and if enough owners are turned off by his cold start, he might come cheaper than expected.

 

I tell you what, if Furcal stays off the sauce (Farnsy and Furcal on the same team....what up ATL bars), then he might be worth taking a look at. But seeing as he has already by busted TWICE for DUI, I would definately think long and hard about signing Furcal.

[WindyCity]

Just curious. He was ice cold for April/May, warmed up a bit for June, and posted a red hot July. .390/.449/.590/1.040

 

His season numbers are .271/.333/.417/.749 which look pretty good after a few months of Everyday Neifi. Not to mention, after May, Furcal stood at .229/.292/.330/.622

 

Anyway, I really can't see him signing for less than 4/32, and if that's the case, I'd rather go with a Nomar 1 year-5 mil+Ronny situation.

 

On the other hand, Atlanta probably won't resign him, and if enough owners are turned off by his cold start, he might come cheaper than expected.

 

I tell you what, if Furcal stays off the sauce (Farnsy and Furcal on the same team....what up ATL bars), then he might be worth taking a look at. But seeing as he has already by busted TWICE for DUI, I would definately think long and hard about signing Furcal.

 

I've always wanted Furcal -- I still wanted him in May when he was doing this...229/.292/.330/.622 -- and I still want him now.

 

We have better public transportation options in Chicago -- he won't need to drive after having a drink.

 

I love Nomar, but I would like the Cubs to go after Furcal if he indeed becomes a free agent.

[rawaction]

Furcal could have finished the year with his April/May numbers, and would still get $8M for at least 4 years this offseason (see Renteria, Cabrera, Guzman). SS's are seriously overvalued.

 

I wouldn't touch Furcal. I like him as a player, but no reason to bring in a long-term option at SS without giving Cedeno a shot. I would look to bring back Nomar and get Cedeno a ton of action if/when Nomar goes to the DL and against LHPs at 2B (assuming Hairston is not back).

[nilodnayr]

Furcal could have finished the year with his April/May numbers, and would still get $8M for at least 4 years this offseason (see Renteria, Cabrera, Guzman). SS's are seriously overvalued.

 

Don't forget Rollins...and I would agree, the emergence of Cedeno makes spending 8M a season for 4 years on a guy whos gonna OPS mid 700s a dumb dumb move. I trust that Hendry knows this. After all he did put Ronny on the 40 man seemingly too early and look what happened. Cedeno is a Hendry boy and sans Baker is a virtual lock at starting shortstop in 2007. Nomar just built a house here, wants to return, and has every GM shaking in their boots because of his freek injury...theres no way he doesnt resign.

[Jazz]

id rather sure up the pen, and add a big OF bat then shell out 10 mil+ for a

decent SS. Especially when there are less expensive options available, that could bring the same production or even more

[JC]

What big spenders will be looking for SS help this year? Not:

 

Yankees

Mets

Red Sox

Orioles

Toronto

Angels

Houston

Rangers

Detroit

Phillies

Dodgers

Giants

White Sox

Cards

 

Cheapskates not looking:

Royals

Reds

Pirates

DRays

Padres

Rockies

Brewers

A's

 

That leaves:

Seattle

Braves

Cubs

Nats (Guzman ?)

Indians

Marlins

Twins

D'Backs

 

I think Seattle might try to grab Nomar and I doubt the D'Backs will want to commit to a SS when they just draft two pretty highly. The Twins and Indians wouldn't go after Furcal. So, I'd guess the market would be between the Cubs and Marlins (isn't AGon a FA?) at best.

Edited August 5, 2005 by JC

[rawaction]

What big spenders will be looking for SS help this year? Not:

 

Yankees

Mets

Red Sox

Orioles

Toronto

Angels

Houston

Rangers

Detroit

Phillies

Dodgers

Giants

White Sox

Cards

 

Cheapskates not looking:

Royals

Reds

Pirates

DRays

Padres

Rockies

Brewers

A's

 

That leaves:

Seattle

Braves

Cubs

Nats (Guzman ?)

Indians

Marlins

Twins

D'Backs

 

I think Seattle might try to grab Nomar and I doubt the D'Backs will want to commit to a SS when they just draft two pretty highly. The Twins and Indians would go after Furcal. So, I'd guess the market would be between the Cubs and Marlins (isn't AGon a FA?) at best.

 

If Seattle gets Nomar, I'd rather set my sights on a Lugo trade or simply hand Cedeno the job. The Cubs would probably give the position to Neifi though. :pukel:

[Inthecards]

Furcal could have finished the year with his April/May numbers, and would still get $8M for at least 4 years this offseason (see Renteria, Cabrera, Guzman). SS's are seriously overvalued.

 

Don't forget Rollins...and I would agree, the emergence of Cedeno makes spending 8M a season for 4 years on a guy whos gonna OPS mid 700s a dumb dumb move. I trust that Hendry knows this. After all he did put Ronny on the 40 man seemingly too early and look what happened. Cedeno is a Hendry boy and sans Baker is a virtual lock at starting shortstop in 2007. Nomar just built a house here, wants to return, and has every GM shaking in their boots because of his freek injury...theres no way he doesnt resign.

 

I think rollins signed like a 4 yr. extension lately...but i may be wrong

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Furcal could have finished the year with his April/May numbers, and would still get $8M for at least 4 years this offseason (see Renteria, Cabrera, Guzman). SS's are seriously overvalued.

 

Don't forget Rollins...and I would agree, the emergence of Cedeno makes spending 8M a season for 4 years on a guy whos gonna OPS mid 700s a dumb dumb move. I trust that Hendry knows this. After all he did put Ronny on the 40 man seemingly too early and look what happened. Cedeno is a Hendry boy and sans Baker is a virtual lock at starting shortstop in 2007. Nomar just built a house here, wants to return, and has every GM shaking in their boots because of his freek injury...theres no way he doesnt resign.

 

I think rollins signed like a 4 yr. extension lately...but i may be wrong

 

That was his point, that Rollins, in addition to Guzman, Renteria, and Cabrera, were overpaid when they got their long term deals.

[chicubs]

Just start Cedeno everday next year and keep Macias/Neifi on the bench. Its time to go to the future.

[Tim]

I would guess that Seattle will almost certainly be looking internally next year at SS. They have several options that could work very well for them. Between Lopez, Morse and Adam Jones I think they'll find a hot hitter to man the position.

[JC]

I would guess that Seattle will almost certainly be looking internally next year at SS. They have several options that could work very well for them. Between Lopez, Morse and Adam Jones I think they'll find a hot hitter to man the position.

 

Thanks, Tim. I don't know anything about their farm system.

[reggiemiller rules]

I dont see the Indians looking for a SS either Peralta is putting up pretty good numbers this year and is still young, plus they have ton of leadoff type hitters in Crisp and Sizemore. They need a big slugger more then a Furcal type player.

[Diffusion]

I would guess that Seattle will almost certainly be looking internally next year at SS. They have several options that could work very well for them. Between Lopez, Morse and Adam Jones I think they'll find a hot hitter to man the position.

 

Betancourt?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not opposed to going after Furcal, but I'd rather not pay him what he'll be asking. I believe that Cedeno would be a decent option.

 

The Cubs will have money to spend, but I hope that they can use the wealth of prospects to take a contract off of another team's hands rather than spend the money on the lack luster crop of FA this offseason.

[Brian]

This offseason I think the Cubs should get 2/3 of Burnett/BJ Ryan/Billy Wagner. Try to throw a bunch of pitching at Cincinatti for Dunn.

[SwisherSweet]

This offseason I think the Cubs should get 2/3 of Burnett/BJ Ryan/Billy Wagner. Try to throw a bunch of pitching at Cincinatti for Dunn.

 

Wagner should be our #1 priority IMO. I'd throw 2/25 at him and laugh all the way to the bank. A pen of Wagner, Williamson, and Dempster would set up a nasty 7-8-9, much like Houston's a few years ago. Then anchor those guys with pitchers like Van Buren, Wellemeyer and Ohman or Novoa and we have a semi-reliable bullpen for once. Hopefully. Unless something goes wrong, which it most certainly will.

 

I'd throw together a package of prospects centered around Wellemeyer or Hill and send them to Cinci ASAP. Dunn's price will be steeper if he's traded mid-season, particularly since it's a contract year and he's likely to go crazy with the bat.

 

I could see Hendry making a move for a guy like Bartolo Colon. This is a pathetic free agent class all around. I wouldn't mind Bartolo for one year, considering this team's dire need for one or two more starters, and the fact that he's a FA after 06 (I believe).

 

EDIT He's signed through 07. There goes that idea.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

This offseason I think the Cubs should get 2/3 of Burnett/BJ Ryan/Billy Wagner. Try to throw a bunch of pitching at Cincinatti for Dunn.

 

Wagner should be our #1 priority IMO. I'd throw 2/25 at him and laugh all the way to the bank. A pen of Wagner, Williamson, and Dempster would set up a nasty 7-8-9, much like Houston's a few years ago. Then anchor those guys with pitchers like Van Buren, Wellemeyer and Ohman or Novoa and we have a semi-reliable bullpen for once. Hopefully. Unless something goes wrong, which it most certainly will.

 

I'd throw together a package of prospects centered around Wellemeyer or Hill and send them to Cinci ASAP. Dunn's price will be steeper if he's traded mid-season, particularly since it's a contract year and he's likely to go crazy with the bat.

 

I could see Hendry making a move for a guy like Bartolo Colon. This is a pathetic free agent class all around. I wouldn't mind Bartolo for one year, considering this team's dire need for one or two more starters, and the fact that he's a FA after 06 (I believe).

 

Wagner's age concerns me, since as a guy with his build ages, he's likely to lose a little off his stuff, IMO. Colon is a free agent after 2007, he makes 10 mil this year, 14 mil next year, and 16 mil in 2007.

[Brian]

I think Jerome Williams can be the center piece in a deal for Dunn. I'd only deal him if we get another top line starter (i.e. Burnett), and are stuck with Maddux though.

 

Williams, Welley, & a Rule V guy would be my first offer.

[CubsWin]

I agree that Furcal is a good SS, and there aren't that many available these days, but I'm intrigued by Cedeno. I think Nomar definitely wants to come back and a Nomar/Cedeno team at SS would be highly beneficial for the Cubs. Here's why...

 

Two big ifs, but I believe the Cubs have to find out the answer to the following ifs. If Cedeno can be given enough playing time between 2B against lefties and keeping Nomar fresh during the year, the Cubs can get a good idea as to how he translates to the major leagues, and if Cedeno shows he can play well, then he can impact the future of the Cubs organization more than we realize right now.

 

A young and inexpensive SS who is above average defensively and can get on base with a little pop can open up a lot financial options for the Cubs. If Cedeno shows he can play SS and play it well, that frees up whatever amount of millions of dollars the Cubs agree to pay Nomar next year. The 2006 offseason will have Nomar and Maddux come off the books, among others, of course. Assuming the Cubs pay Nomar 5 million plus incentives next year, they could be freeing up 14-18 million. If Cedeno can take over SS and one of the young starting pitchers can come through, as well, the Cubs could spend that money on just one position player. Now some of that might be used to give existing players raises, but imagine having 10-12 million dollars to spend on one player in the 2006 offseason.

 

If Pie is ready to join the OF in '07, Cedeno takes over at SS, the Cubs could easily afford to sign someone big after the '06 season. When is Dunn a free-agent again? :wink:

 

I know, lots of ifs there, but thats why I don't think it is wise to sign Furcal.

[SAMMYWHO]

Very interesting CubsWin. With all the teams interested in him now think how many teams would want him then. The Cubs might be one of few teams that could afford him with some other positions being taken by cheap farmhands. What price tag would you put on Dunn if he makes it to Free Agency?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Very interesting CubsWin. With all the teams interested in him now think how many teams would want him then. The Cubs might be one of few teams that could afford him with some other positions being taken by cheap farmhands. What price tag would you put on Dunn if he makes it to Free Agency?

 

Dunn likely gets a 5/60 deal if not more than that.

[Productive Outs]

Very interesting CubsWin. With all the teams interested in him now think how many teams would want him then. The Cubs might be one of few teams that could afford him with some other positions being taken by cheap farmhands. What price tag would you put on Dunn if he makes it to Free Agency?

 

Dunn likely gets a 5/60 deal if not more than that.

 

 

I'd do 5/60.