Corey Patterson

[Larry Horse]

From Toni Ginneti's column:

 

COREY'S QUANDARIES: Corey Patterson didn't play in Class AAA Iowa's 6-0 loss to Tacoma on Thursday. In 14 games with Iowa, Patterson was hitting .185 (10-for-54) with three home runs, six RBI, 11 strikeouts, four walks and five stolen bases in six attempts.

 

Well, good to see he's made some adjustments.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Call him up!

[imb]

He was actually doing pretty well, then he got into a horrible slump, something like 2-22. He got sick, they took him out for 2 or 3 games, and he came back last night and went 2 for 4.

[anemic offense]

??? Corey has almost as many stolen bases in 14 AAA than he did in half a season in the big leagues. As bad has he had been at the plate, this was maybe the most inexcusable facet of his game. Not that he was on base much, but when you have the speed he has only to stand at first and show no clue as to when to steal, you're really asking to be sent down. Personally I'm sick and tired of his ineptitude in a Cub uniform. Time for him to stink it up elsewhere.

[Jimy is a misspell]

I feel bad for the kid, but that's life.

[indifferent]

I feel bad for the kid, but that's life.

 

Have to admit I feel bad for Corey and for the Cubs. With Hairston slumping also, what looked to be a strength in CF is becoming a weakness.

[Cubfanintheknow]

Except for the occasional update, it seems as though Corey Patterson has fallen off the planet. Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker have been talking a lot about getting Kerry Wood, Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson on the 25-man, but there's been no mention at all about Patterson.

 

Corey, it seems, has fallen very, very far.

[playthekids]

Wow, hitting below the Mendoza line, I had no idea he was doing that bad.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wow, hitting below the Mendoza line, I had no idea he was doing that bad.

 

Welcome to the forum!

[Larry Horse]

Except for the occasional update, it seems as though Corey Patterson has fallen off the planet. Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker have been talking a lot about getting Kerry Wood, Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson on the 25-man, but there's been no mention at all about Patterson.

 

Corey, it seems, has fallen very, very far.

 

I'll never forget how Hendry said that Corey was a true 5 tool player and how many teams had inquired about trading for him while he was in the minors, but alas, he was untouchable. Another swing and miss by the Cubs regarding a star position player in the minors. Hopefully Pie will pan out, I would like to see at least 1 stud position player come through the system and contribute in the next five years. Corey and Kid DL, two sure fire studs that it seems have lost their trade value. Let's hope not.

[Electron Blue]

Except for the occasional update, it seems as though Corey Patterson has fallen off the planet. Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker have been talking a lot about getting Kerry Wood, Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson on the 25-man, but there's been no mention at all about Patterson.

 

Corey, it seems, has fallen very, very far.

 

I'll never forget how Hendry said that Corey was a true 5 tool player and how many teams had inquired about trading for him while he was in the minors, but alas, he was untouchable. Another swing and miss by the Cubs regarding a star position player in the minors. Hopefully Pie will pan out, I would like to see at least 1 stud position player come through the system and contribute in the next five years. Corey and Kid DL, two sure fire studs that it seems have lost their trade value. Let's hope not.

 

That seems a little harsh on the Cubs Front Office. Did you really think at the time, that they should have traded Corey before he even hit the majors? If you can't say yes to that, then you can't blame the Cubs for not doing it either. What about the 2003? He was having a great year, even getting mentioned for the All-Star Game.

 

Don't get me wrong. As of right now, I want him gone. Whether or not he ever puts it together and becomes the star he could have been, I will always admit to loving him in '03 and hating him in '05 - regardless of how it turns out, I can't blame the Cubs. They kept him as long as they should have, and if they get minimum value for him, then so be it. Just Bad Luck.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I would just like to note that Corey has gone 2/4 with a double on back to back days. Perhaps now that he has gotten over this whole cold thing he will start picking it up.

[OldHappyCubFan]

I have faith in Corey Patterson, and I believe he'll come around again.

 

He seems like such a nice guy too.

[Larry Horse]

Except for the occasional update, it seems as though Corey Patterson has fallen off the planet. Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker have been talking a lot about getting Kerry Wood, Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson on the 25-man, but there's been no mention at all about Patterson.

 

Corey, it seems, has fallen very, very far.

 

I'll never forget how Hendry said that Corey was a true 5 tool player and how many teams had inquired about trading for him while he was in the minors, but alas, he was untouchable. Another swing and miss by the Cubs regarding a star position player in the minors. Hopefully Pie will pan out, I would like to see at least 1 stud position player come through the system and contribute in the next five years. Corey and Kid DL, two sure fire studs that it seems have lost their trade value. Let's hope not.

 

That seems a little harsh on the Cubs Front Office. Did you really think at the time, that they should have traded Corey before he even hit the majors? If you can't say yes to that, then you can't blame the Cubs for not doing it either. What about the 2003? He was having a great year, even getting mentioned for the All-Star Game.

 

Don't get me wrong. As of right now, I want him gone. Whether or not he ever puts it together and becomes the star he could have been, I will always admit to loving him in '03 and hating him in '05 - regardless of how it turns out, I can't blame the Cubs. They kept him as long as they should have, and if they get minimum value for him, then so be it. Just Bad Luck.

 

I don't think it's harsh because Corey is the biggest example of the problem. Hendry hung his hat on him for quite a while. I'm just puzzled how the Cubs have failed to have one good starting position player come to the big club in recent memory. When not one of your starting 8 didn't come through your system, I would say it's a little more than bad luck.

[BigbadB]

How many of the Cardinals starting 8 came through their system? Pujols.

[Larry Horse]

How many of the Cardinals starting 8 came through their system? Pujols.

 

If we can pull a Pujols out of our system, I'll quit worrying about it.

 

That's a pretty big score, IMHO.

[BigbadB]

How many of the Cardinals starting 8 came through their system? Pujols.

 

If we can pull a Pujols out of our system, I'll quit worrying about it.

 

That's a pretty big score, IMHO.

 

But, it's only one player. And I don't think the Cardinals really knew what they were getting when they signed him.

 

I think it is important to develop from within. However, I don't think it's the be all, end all. If prospects like Bobby Hill and Matt Bruback can be included in a deal that nets Aramis Ramirez, I call it a major "SCORE". If Hee Seop Choi can be the centerpiece in the deal that lands Derrek Lee, "SCORE". If Brendan Harris and Justin Jones can net Nomar, "SCORE".

 

While we don't currently have an everyday starter from the system, we have 3 guys listed above that we acquired in trade for guys from our system. How many of the Cardinals starting rotation came from their farm system? Matt Morris? The Cubs have Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Hill, Maddux and Mitre. In the pen, we have more guys who are from the farm.

 

I think it's more important to develop pitching from the farm than position players. Both would be nice, but for some reason, pitching seems to be what the Cubs organization is better at developing.

[10man]

Good post BBB.

 

It's not really who you bring up from your farm system, but who your farm system ends up bringing to you. I'm happy with the fact that Aram and DLee came to us because of players that came from the farm.

 

If it don't grow on your tree then get it from somebody else's.

[Electron Blue]

Except for the occasional update, it seems as though Corey Patterson has fallen off the planet. Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker have been talking a lot about getting Kerry Wood, Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson on the 25-man, but there's been no mention at all about Patterson.

 

Corey, it seems, has fallen very, very far.

 

I'll never forget how Hendry said that Corey was a true 5 tool player and how many teams had inquired about trading for him while he was in the minors, but alas, he was untouchable. Another swing and miss by the Cubs regarding a star position player in the minors. Hopefully Pie will pan out, I would like to see at least 1 stud position player come through the system and contribute in the next five years. Corey and Kid DL, two sure fire studs that it seems have lost their trade value. Let's hope not.

 

That seems a little harsh on the Cubs Front Office. Did you really think at the time, that they should have traded Corey before he even hit the majors? If you can't say yes to that, then you can't blame the Cubs for not doing it either. What about the 2003? He was having a great year, even getting mentioned for the All-Star Game.

 

Don't get me wrong. As of right now, I want him gone. Whether or not he ever puts it together and becomes the star he could have been, I will always admit to loving him in '03 and hating him in '05 - regardless of how it turns out, I can't blame the Cubs. They kept him as long as they should have, and if they get minimum value for him, then so be it. Just Bad Luck.

 

I don't think it's harsh because Corey is the biggest example of the problem. Hendry hung his hat on him for quite a while. I'm just puzzled how the Cubs have failed to have one good starting position player come to the big club in recent memory. When not one of your starting 8 didn't come through your system, I would say it's a little more than bad luck.

 

My point is: at what point did the Cubs screw up with Corey? Despite a tough situation we're in now, I don't think they ever did. It wasn't just Hendry who felt Patterson would be a huge 5-tool guy, like the earlier post sai, all of the other GMs did too. Corey has shown just enough of his potential and promise during the last four years to warrant keeping him, until (arguably) now.

[DivineBovine]

Except for the occasional update, it seems as though Corey Patterson has fallen off the planet. Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker have been talking a lot about getting Kerry Wood, Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson on the 25-man, but there's been no mention at all about Patterson.

 

Corey, it seems, has fallen very, very far.

 

I'll never forget how Hendry said that Corey was a true 5 tool player and how many teams had inquired about trading for him while he was in the minors, but alas, he was untouchable. Another swing and miss by the Cubs regarding a star position player in the minors. Hopefully Pie will pan out, I would like to see at least 1 stud position player come through the system and contribute in the next five years. Corey and Kid DL, two sure fire studs that it seems have lost their trade value. Let's hope not.

 

That seems a little harsh on the Cubs Front Office. Did you really think at the time, that they should have traded Corey before he even hit the majors? If you can't say yes to that, then you can't blame the Cubs for not doing it either. What about the 2003? He was having a great year, even getting mentioned for the All-Star Game.

 

Don't get me wrong. As of right now, I want him gone. Whether or not he ever puts it together and becomes the star he could have been, I will always admit to loving him in '03 and hating him in '05 - regardless of how it turns out, I can't blame the Cubs. They kept him as long as they should have, and if they get minimum value for him, then so be it. Just Bad Luck.

 

I don't think it's harsh because Corey is the biggest example of the problem. Hendry hung his hat on him for quite a while. I'm just puzzled how the Cubs have failed to have one good starting position player come to the big club in recent memory. When not one of your starting 8 didn't come through your system, I would say it's a little more than bad luck.

 

 

The Cubs are guilt free in my mind regarding CPatt. The Cubs have a bad recent history in playing youngsters, but CPatt got all the opportunity to play.

 

The fact is, he was just plain overrrated since the day he was drafted. It was poor judgement of talent if anything. He just didn't pan out. He had ONE GOOD YEAR in the minors. He may be a MLB role player, but its doubtful he'll ever be more than that.

 

What has it taught me? Never ever put any stake in a player that doesn't walk at all and strikes out a ton. Then almost never change. I don't care how many "tools" they have, don't ever think that they'll be a franchise player. Sosa changed and was good for a a while, but he had 60 home run power and might have been taking some performance enhancing substances.

[gflore34]

The most dissappointing aspect of Patterson' minor league stint thus far is I've seen no mention of pitch selection. That's been his biggest problem from day one, I was hoping he was going down to work on this but, apparently that's not the problem. Its his long swing...

 

I've heard you've got to hit rock bottom before you can ascend again, Patterson' real close to rock bottom if he's not already there.

[Larry Horse]

How many of the Cardinals starting 8 came through their system? Pujols.

 

If we can pull a Pujols out of our system, I'll quit worrying about it.

 

That's a pretty big score, IMHO.

 

But, it's only one player. And I don't think the Cardinals really knew what they were getting when they signed him.

 

I think it is important to develop from within. However, I don't think it's the be all, end all. If prospects like Bobby Hill and Matt Bruback can be included in a deal that nets Aramis Ramirez, I call it a major "SCORE". If Hee Seop Choi can be the centerpiece in the deal that lands Derrek Lee, "SCORE". If Brendan Harris and Justin Jones can net Nomar, "SCORE".

 

While we don't currently have an everyday starter from the system, we have 3 guys listed above that we acquired in trade for guys from our system. How many of the Cardinals starting rotation came from their farm system? Matt Morris? The Cubs have Wood, Prior, Zambrano, Hill, Maddux and Mitre. In the pen, we have more guys who are from the farm.

 

I think it's more important to develop pitching from the farm than position players. Both would be nice, but for some reason, pitching seems to be what the Cubs organization is better at developing.

 

Sadly, I don't think you can count on trading for a starting third and first baseman when the need arises. The Cubs will eventually have to start developing these players. It took them 30 years to find a decent starting third baseman. And Nomar has played in 65 games since being traded for, I wouldn't qualify that as a "SCORE", more like a non-factor. Murton may be the key to that trade.

 

As far as our pitchers. Wood-injury prone, Prior-stud in the making, also has some injury problems. Big Z-best of the bunch IMO, Hill-way too early to call on him, Maddux-had his best years elsewhere, Mitre-OK but nothing special. Here's a name we've heard about for years: Angel Guzman. Does he actually exist?

 

Sure, you can point to the Cardinals as not having any home grown talent in their rotation, but that is nixed by the fact that they find guys like Marquis and Carpenter and Suppan who somehow turn it around and do the job.

[Connor McConnor]

Except for the occasional update, it seems as though Corey Patterson has fallen off the planet. Jim Hendry and Dusty Baker have been talking a lot about getting Kerry Wood, Nomar Garciaparra and Scott Williamson on the 25-man, but there's been no mention at all about Patterson.

 

Corey, it seems, has fallen very, very far.

 

I'll never forget how Hendry said that Corey was a true 5 tool player and how many teams had inquired about trading for him while he was in the minors, but alas, he was untouchable. Another swing and miss by the Cubs regarding a star position player in the minors. Hopefully Pie will pan out, I would like to see at least 1 stud position player come through the system and contribute in the next five years. Corey and Kid DL, two sure fire studs that it seems have lost their trade value. Let's hope not.

 

That seems a little harsh on the Cubs Front Office. Did you really think at the time, that they should have traded Corey before he even hit the majors? If you can't say yes to that, then you can't blame the Cubs for not doing it either. What about the 2003? He was having a great year, even getting mentioned for the All-Star Game.

 

Don't get me wrong. As of right now, I want him gone. Whether or not he ever puts it together and becomes the star he could have been, I will always admit to loving him in '03 and hating him in '05 - regardless of how it turns out, I can't blame the Cubs. They kept him as long as they should have, and if they get minimum value for him, then so be it. Just Bad Luck.

 

I don't think it's harsh because Corey is the biggest example of the problem. Hendry hung his hat on him for quite a while. I'm just puzzled how the Cubs have failed to have one good starting position player come to the big club in recent memory. When not one of your starting 8 didn't come through your system, I would say it's a little more than bad luck.

 

 

Choi, Hill, Patterson......all Hendry "cant miss" players. He gets paid to evaluate talent and make decisions with the idea to get us to the series. Doesnt look like it is going to happen anyitme soon. He's made a few good moves.....but Hendry.....like his growing list of cant miss players (and our current head coach) is WAY overrated.

[Radar3454]

Good post BBB.

 

It's not really who you bring up from your farm system, but who your farm system ends up bringing to you. I'm happy with the fact that Aram and DLee came to us because of players that came from the farm.

 

If it don't grow on your tree then get it from somebody else's.

 

It is nice to be able to use your farm system to trade for players but it is better to be able to use players from you farm system b/c it saves a lot of $$$ that can be spent elsewhere.

[NewUserName]

This may get kind of long so forgive me. I'll start with the subject at had Corey Patterson. If he was handled properly he may at least be a productive player. Ever calling him a future star was a serious miscalculation by anyone who made such claims. When a player has no plate discipline in the minor leagues HE WILL NOT FIND IT IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES. That being said if he was made a 7th or 8th hitter where plate discipline isnt as important, he would probably be a ok hitter now. Trying to make him something he is not is only going to have negitive effects. So hitting him lead-off or in the middle of the order and then trying to change what he is only make matters worse. Basically like several other players, Dusty has missused him to the point he is worthless.

 

About bringing players up through your own system. It has to be the most successful way to build a team. Now I am not saying dont make trades or pick up free agents. I am just saying that ALL of the world champions of the last 10 years(except the 97 marlins) have had a core group of players that were developed in their own system. Last years Red Sox are almost another exception but they do have several key players who they did develop.

 

The Cubs have only developed 2 position players who started more than 3 years for the Cubs in my lifetime. Dunston and Grace. Almost Patterson. They have traded away 3 Hall of Famers who are position players in my lifetime (Brock, Carter, Palmero).

 

Also the Cardinals have two position players in their starting lineup from their system (Molina) Also how many players have they, the Braves, the Astros brought up and used in the last 20 years. These 3 teams are probably the 3 best teams in the NL over the last 20 years and are not afraid to use their minor league systems. For as long as I have been alive the Cubs seem to try to figure out what young players cant do instead of sending them out to play in a role they can be successful at. This isnt just Dusty either this has been happening since I can remember. Heck Tony LaRussa played Molina when he was hitting below >100 in April. He just said go out and play good defense and I will bat you 8th. Whats he hitting now 270.

 

To sum up I have always thought this is why the Cubs are a Losing organization. Playing guys like Hollandsworth and Perez and barely being a 500 team is sad. I would rather be 5 games below with Cedeno, Murton or Dubois(yes i know he is gone, just referring to earlier in the season or last year) then go 500 with Proven Veterans. The young players have room to grow, we pretty much already know what we are getting from the veterans. 500 baseball