Cubs fans who are booing Latroy are classless!!!

[Mizzou]

How did this turn to talking about booing our own players? We were originally talking about booing a player on the other team. Did it get out of hand? Yeah, maybe it did. But Hawkins doesn't react well to booing, so when he's playing the Cubs, I hope every Cubs fan boos at the top of their lungs.

 

And WHO CARES what other fans think of us Cubs fans? Are you really that worried about someone's generalization of you? I know I'm not.

[imb]

Don't boo! Don't boo, people. Be more specific! THE WAY YOU ARE PLAYING MAKES ME FEEL BAD INSIDE!!!!

 

a million points to da people who know who said this

[rocket]

btw i agree because latroy makes a lot of money that means he doesn't have feelings so we shouldn't feel bad for booing him.

[Warpticon]

Is it okay for me to quit my job and call you all jackasses?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

 

Yes, because those of us who don't boo obviously are happy when the Cubs struggle.

 

Again, what does booing accomplish? Are the players so stupid they don't understand when they failed and need the fans booing to help them figure it out?

 

In regards to what oldcubsfan mentioned, I really liked Ryan Dempster's quotes on the topic.

[oldcubsfan]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

Well said. Also, other players notice this when they make a decision where to play. Would you rather play in front of a supportive fan base like St. Louis and the way Chicago was or in front of a bunch of childish, mean and often stupid fans who think they know everything?

[CubbieRich]

quote="oldcubsfan"]Would you rather play in front of a supportive fan base like St. Louis and the way Chicago was or in front of a bunch of childish, mean and often stupid fans who think they know everything?

 

The mystique of informed, loyal Cardinal fans is not only over-rated, but simply an overblown myth. Look at what happened at Game #3 and #4 of last year's W.S. Cardinal fans threw seat cushions, cups and other trash onto the field in the 7th inning on until after the game. In Game #4, they sold thousands of tickets to Red Sox fans. Again trashing the field with their debris.

 

This is the same franchise which ended the season a few years ago in Florida and made the players find their own travel plans back to St. Louis. real classy!

[The Voice of Reason]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

Well said. Also, other players notice this when they make a decision where to play. Would you rather play in front of a supportive fan base like St. Louis and the way Chicago was or in front of a bunch of childish, mean and often stupid fans who think they know everything?

 

 

Give me a break. Boston and New York, home of the world's "most gentle fans," never get any free agents do they. If you pay them, they will come. Hawkins insulted Cubs fans, he deserved to get booed.

[gus_dog]

No problem here with booing poor EFFORT, but poor performance does not always equal poor effort.

 

IMO, we should not boo when the opposition brings Hawkins in, we should cheer loudly. Very loudly. We should be happy that the Cubs actually get a shot at blowing his save instead of him giving it up while playing for the Cubs.

 

It makes sense to me.

 

The 'Hawkins sucks' chant was a bit much, and I am embarrassed to be a Cub fan because of that.

 

Booing is as much a part of baseball as any other aspect.

[dalgreen]

No problem here with booing poor EFFORT, but poor performance does not always equal poor effort.

 

IMO, we should not boo when the opposition brings Hawkins in, we should cheer loudly. Very loudly. We should be happy that the Cubs actually get a shot at blowing his save instead of him giving it up while playing for the Cubs.

 

It makes sense to me.

 

The 'Hawkins sucks' chant was a bit much, and I am embarrassed to be a Cub fan because of that.

 

Booing is as much a part of baseball as any other aspect.

 

I thought the "Haw-kins" "Haw-kins" chant was fine. You hear that style of chant at hockey games and basketball games. The "Hawkins sucks" chant was ridiculous. I'm willing to bet the people that didn't see anything wrong with the "Hawkins sucks" chant probably have never had that said to them with their family in the stands watching. To put it in better perspective, if you have a son or daughter playing a game and a parent told you, "your kid sucks" would you be okay with that? And spare us the, "My kid doesn't make millions of dollars" argument.

[Chocolate Milk]

Oh my gosh, the players feel bad! Can you imagine if I came to your work and boo-ed you? Even though no one roots for you for decades to "win" at your job, 40k people don't watch you on a daily basis, no one sits around you consuming beer after beer, and no one lives and dies by your companies performance, this is still a flawless comparison. Working in a cube and playing for the Cubs is exactly the same!

 

This is the most despicable, awful thing in the history of mankind! I will immediately call everyone who does this a classless loser who most likely steals candy from children. I am totally embarrassed to be a Cubs fan! Even some of the players said they don't like booing! Can you imagine what it would take for a player to come out and say that he doesn't like to see other players booed? This is a completely unforeseen and amazing turn of events!

 

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Can we stop with this? Booing is obviously an emotional reaction by fans (who have probably been drinking) and are very emotionally attached to the team's performance. Many people have players who the irrationally love and irrationally hate (I think we have seen this here) and a lot of people say things they don't mean in the heat of an emotional moment. God, just look at the game thread. People threaten to kill players there on occasion. It doesn't have anything to do with "Teaching the player a lesson" or anything like that 95% of the time. People who think they are teaching someone a lesson, are...well... Not everyone who boos is some classless loser. Hawkins isn't even on our team anymore. Who cares about this guy anymore?

[CubbieRich]

The best way to stop such chants is to play well and succeed, not berate the Cubs fans by telling us "I'm not playing for the fans". Latroy was a tool here with the media and the fans. Effort means nothing in the BIG LEAGUES. You get paid for RESULTS.

 

Try telling your boss today that you will try real hard but you're not interested in what he/she thinks about your performance. I think you'd be gone pretty fast.

[erik316wttn]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

 

Yes, because those of us who don't boo obviously are happy when the Cubs struggle.

 

Again, what does booing accomplish? Are the players so stupid they don't understand when they failed and need the fans booing to help them figure it out?

 

In regards to what oldcubsfan mentioned, I really liked Ryan Dempster's quotes on the topic.

 

By that logic, what good would complaining about the Cubs/Hendry/Dusty do on this board? Why even do it if its such a big fat waste of time and won't change anything? NSBB has become popular enough now to where some of the people affiliated with the Cubs have read it. Do you think posting your displeasure on an internet message board is going to change things, either?

 

Not a flame, Raisin, I'm just trying to make a point.

[erik316wttn]

The best way to stop such chants is to play well and succeed, not berate the Cubs fans by telling us "I'm not playing for the fans". Latroy was a tool here with the media and the fans. Effort means nothing in the BIG LEAGUES. You get paid for RESULTS.

 

Try telling your boss today that you will try real hard but you're not interested in what he/she thinks about your performance. I think you'd be gone pretty fast.

 

Excellent post.

[dalgreen]

The best way to stop such chants is to play well and succeed, not berate the Cubs fans by telling us "I'm not playing for the fans". Latroy was a tool here with the media and the fans. Effort means nothing in the BIG LEAGUES. You get paid for RESULTS.

 

Try telling your boss today that you will try real hard but you're not interested in what he/she thinks about your performance. I think you'd be gone pretty fast.

 

You're of course assuming that bad results from a ballplayer means they're not trying. I thoroughly dislike Jose Macias, but I don't think he purposely tries to make outs.

 

I don't have a big problem with booing, but I do hate that fans would chant a guy sucks.

[XZero771679666304]

The best way to stop such chants is to play well and succeed, not berate the Cubs fans by telling us "I'm not playing for the fans". Latroy was a tool here with the media and the fans. Effort means nothing in the BIG LEAGUES. You get paid for RESULTS.

 

Try telling your boss today that you will try real hard but you're not interested in what he/she thinks about your performance. I think you'd be gone pretty fast.

 

You're of course assuming that bad results from a ballplayer means they're not trying. I thoroughly dislike Jose Macias, but I don't think he purposely tries to make outs.

 

I don't have a big problem with booing, but I do hate that fans would chant a guy sucks.

 

Exactly. I was as frustrated with Hawkins as anybody, but I have no doubts he was trying as hard as he possibly could to succeed. Another thing some people to forget is that as competitors, most players probably care a whole lot more about how they perform than we do. I would be surprised if anyone outside of Ron Santo felt as bad about Hawkins play down the stretch in '04 and early '05 than Hawkins himself.

 

As for his statement about not playing for the fans, I just think that was his frustration over his busting his butt and still failing, and having the fans all over him. I can tell you if I was out there putting in 110% and getting railed by the fans, death threats and threats on my family, I would definitely have a little F-you for the fans myself.

 

Again, Hawkins was not meant to be a closer, he was always a bad closer, and had no business being one. Everyone knew this. LaTroy did not name himself closer, Dusty did, flying in the face of common sense. After what we saw last year, Dusty making LaTroy the closer this year was totally inexcusable. So who should be getting booed here?

 

Now the booing the other night was kind of expected. I wouldn't have done it, but I won't condemn it either. The "Hawkins, Hawkins" thing was pushing it. I don't remember hearing a chant like that in baseball since the days of Darryl Strawberry. The "Hawkins Sucks" chant was totally out of line, and I have zero regard for those who did it.

[XZero771679666304]

The best way to stop such chants is to play well and succeed, not berate the Cubs fans by telling us "I'm not playing for the fans". Latroy was a tool here with the media and the fans. Effort means nothing in the BIG LEAGUES. You get paid for RESULTS.

 

Try telling your boss today that you will try real hard but you're not interested in what he/she thinks about your performance. I think you'd be gone pretty fast.

 

Excellent post.

 

Not really. What if you are trying as hard as you can't and aren't succeeding. Do you really think there is some "success" switch a player can flip when he wants to? " I am trying as hard as I can....wait, I'm getting booed! I better turn on the success!" Yeah. :roll:

 

LaTroy did not turn into a "tool" until after being railed on, recieving death threats, etc. I would have too, If I were out there giving my all. It really stupefies me how people think that players can dictate their results by simple choice. You can choose to increase your effort and make adjustments, but when those fail to produce results there is nothing that can be done. Playing pro sports isn't like analyzing data, computer programming, or doing research or writing reports for a boss. There are a lot more variables to overcome, and nothing is guaranteed.

 

In most of our jobs there are clear ways to complete our jobs, and very few obstacles that cannot be overcome with the appropriate amount of effort. Unfortunately, baseball doesn't work this way.

[oldcubsfan]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

 

Yes, because those of us who don't boo obviously are happy when the Cubs struggle.

 

Again, what does booing accomplish? Are the players so stupid they don't understand when they failed and need the fans booing to help them figure it out?

 

In regards to what oldcubsfan mentioned, I really liked Ryan Dempster's quotes on the topic.

 

By that logic, what good would complaining about the Cubs/Hendry/Dusty do on this board? Why even do it if its such a big fat waste of time and won't change anything? NSBB has become popular enough now to where some of the people affiliated with the Cubs have read it. Do you think posting your displeasure on an internet message board is going to change things, either?

 

Not a flame, Raisin, I'm just trying to make a point.

 

Maybe I'm misreading you, but do you really think that all the complaining on this board about Dusty and the Cubs matters to the organization? Do you truly think a business decision is made because of posts on this board?

[CubmanPi]

I just felt the need to chime in here, my thoughts probably aren't consequential with current discussion of the topic. Yea, I'm all about the right to boo and make a [expletive] of yourself at the game, but I think Dempster put it best when he said we need to be cheering for the Cubs for scoring runs instead of jumping on our chance to boo the guy. We should be happy that Hawkins is giving up runs for someone else now. (I'd probably be more inclined to boo if, instead of coming in and serving up a run every time out, he showed up and was super-clutch and completely unhittable in do-or-die situations.) Jumping on the chance to boo a guy on another team is very closely equatable to Sox fans who are even bigger I-hate-the-Cubs fans. Give the guy a break and cheer for the Cubs. If you can't just be happy and leave it at that, then maybe you should re-evaluate why you're going to the game to begin with.

[erik316wttn]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

 

Yes, because those of us who don't boo obviously are happy when the Cubs struggle.

 

Again, what does booing accomplish? Are the players so stupid they don't understand when they failed and need the fans booing to help them figure it out?

 

In regards to what oldcubsfan mentioned, I really liked Ryan Dempster's quotes on the topic.

 

By that logic, what good would complaining about the Cubs/Hendry/Dusty do on this board? Why even do it if its such a big fat waste of time and won't change anything? NSBB has become popular enough now to where some of the people affiliated with the Cubs have read it. Do you think posting your displeasure on an internet message board is going to change things, either?

 

Not a flame, Raisin, I'm just trying to make a point.

 

Maybe I'm misreading you, but do you really think that all the complaining on this board about Dusty and the Cubs matters to the organization? Do you truly think a business decision is made because of posts on this board?

 

You are misreading me. I'm saying that's NOT the case. Raisin said something to the effect of "booing won't help a player become better" and I said "well, by that logic posting about something you dislike in the Cubs orgaization on this board won't make things better, either, so what's the point?"

[erik316wttn]

I just felt the need to chime in here, my thoughts probably aren't consequential with current discussion of the topic. Yea, I'm all about the right to boo and make a [expletive] of yourself at the game, but I think Dempster put it best when he said we need to be cheering for the Cubs for scoring runs instead of jumping on our chance to boo the guy. We should be happy that Hawkins is giving up runs for someone else now. (I'd probably be more inclined to boo if, instead of coming in and serving up a run every time out, he showed up and was super-clutch and completely unhittable in do-or-die situations.) Jumping on the chance to boo a guy on another team is very closely equatable to Sox fans who are even bigger I-hate-the-Cubs fans. Give the guy a break and cheer for the Cubs. If you can't just be happy and leave it at that, then maybe you should re-evaluate why you're going to the game to begin with.

 

I'm not saying I don't cheer. Hell, I screamed myself hoarse cheering at the game yesterday. My throat still hurts and my voice sounds funny. I was cheering like you wouldn't believe, especially when they did well (although that's not the only time I cheered. I shouted MVP a few times when Lee was up, and I was cheering in the clutch situations, and especially after Burnitz got the game winning hit.)

 

But I let them hear it after Dusty trotted Z out there one inning too long, and after they didn't score the runner from 3rd with nobody out, too.

[oldcubsfan]

I thought I might have mis read you. Thanks.

[imb]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

 

Yes, because those of us who don't boo obviously are happy when the Cubs struggle.

 

Again, what does booing accomplish? Are the players so stupid they don't understand when they failed and need the fans booing to help them figure it out?

 

In regards to what oldcubsfan mentioned, I really liked Ryan Dempster's quotes on the topic.

 

By that logic, what good would complaining about the Cubs/Hendry/Dusty do on this board? Why even do it if its such a big fat waste of time and won't change anything? NSBB has become popular enough now to where some of the people affiliated with the Cubs have read it. Do you think posting your displeasure on an internet message board is going to change things, either?

 

Not a flame, Raisin, I'm just trying to make a point.

 

Maybe I'm misreading you, but do you really think that all the complaining on this board about Dusty and the Cubs matters to the organization? Do you truly think a business decision is made because of posts on this board?

 

You are misreading me. I'm saying that's NOT the case. Raisin said something to the effect of "booing won't help a player become better" and I said "well, by that logic posting about something you dislike in the Cubs orgaization on this board won't make things better, either, so what's the point?"

 

Booing isnt quite the same as having a discussion, either, so that makes no sense.

[Sec 511 Die-hard]

Did it ever cross people's mind that Hawkins was a solid pitcher for the Cubs, he just wasn't a good closer?

 

Look at his stat's with the Cubs

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?statsId=5336

 

If you ask me, I'd say that he was a pretty damn good pitcher, he just couldn't handle closing. The only bad stat that he had with the Cubs in his 1 1/2 seasons was blown saves. So the guy couldn't close out games!!!!

 

HE TOOK A PAY CUT TO PLAY FOR HIS HOMETOWN TEAM AS A SETUP MAN. DO TO CIRCUMSTANCES OUT OF HIS CONTROL, HE BECAME CLOSER - A BAD ONE AT THAT.

 

That hardly justifies the "HAWKINS SUCKS" chants.

 

If Kerry Wood comes back and makes it into the bullpen and struggles, are we going to start hissing at Wood and booing him every time he takes the mound? "KERRY SUCKS" "KERRY SUCKS"

 

Doubtful.

[Mark_R]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

 

Yes, because those of us who don't boo obviously are happy when the Cubs struggle.

 

Again, what does booing accomplish? Are the players so stupid they don't understand when they failed and need the fans booing to help them figure it out?

 

In regards to what oldcubsfan mentioned, I really liked Ryan Dempster's quotes on the topic.

 

By that logic, what good would complaining about the Cubs/Hendry/Dusty do on this board? Why even do it if its such a big fat waste of time and won't change anything? NSBB has become popular enough now to where some of the people affiliated with the Cubs have read it. Do you think posting your displeasure on an internet message board is going to change things, either?

 

Not a flame, Raisin, I'm just trying to make a point.

 

Maybe I'm misreading you, but do you really think that all the complaining on this board about Dusty and the Cubs matters to the organization? Do you truly think a business decision is made because of posts on this board?

 

You are misreading me. I'm saying that's NOT the case. Raisin said something to the effect of "booing won't help a player become better" and I said "well, by that logic posting about something you dislike in the Cubs orgaization on this board won't make things better, either, so what's the point?"

 

Booing isnt quite the same as having a discussion, either, so that makes no sense.

 

How many discussions here remain 100 percent civil? This one certainly hasn't.