Cubs fans who are booing Latroy are classless!!!

[Coach C]

What had me thinking is that, how would the majority of us feel if that was Dusty, getting the Hawkins treatment? You know, like whenever Dusty comes out of the dugout for whatever reason, where people will be booing and hissing at him, chanting "Dusty Sucks", etc etc.

 

Considering the fact that the majority of us in here have a strong dislike towards Dusty for his inabilities to handle a bullpen, inabilities to fill out a "proper" line up, inabilities to use the correct people in certain situations, etc etc.

 

What would you do? Would it make/feel any difference?

 

Just thinking out loud, that is all.

[10man]

Was I just imagining it or hasn't Dusty been booed in an actual game already?

[hawkeyecub]

Was I just imagining it or hasn't Dusty been booed in an actual game already?

 

Yes and many here were ecstatic about it.

 

That's different though. Oh wait...

[J.R.]

To be fair, half the team cost us a shot at October last year. He can't be singled out for that when no one played like they should've when it mattered.

 

What more could they do? Sure, the offense was its usual maddening self in 2004 - but they did on occasion have a lead in the 9th, and he blew said leads in a multitude of games in a close wild card race.

 

Hawkins is not your garden variety scapegoat. For once, the target of all wrath actually had more of a hand in the disaster than most, and is truly deserving of the fans' bile (excepting threats and bigoted remarks, of course.)

[Coach C]

Was I just imagining it or hasn't Dusty been booed in an actual game already?

 

As bad as this may sound, but I most certainly wouldn't have a problem if some people are booing at Dusty. After seeing today's (7/27) line up, I just went "BOOOOO!" right at the TV.

[treebird]

People who boo their own team really confuse me. People often say "what do you want to me do, cheer when he fails?" That's horrible logic. You don't have to cheer or boo at every moment of the game. Yeah, it would've been nice if Latroy had done better here, but you can't say he wasn't trying, and as far as I'm concerned that's all you can really ask of a guy.

 

Cub fans get mad when people proclaim Cardinal fans to be the best in baseball, but you sure as heck don't see this crap happen there. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.

[OldHappyCubFan]

The bottom line guys, is Cub fans wanna win. They're sick of losing.

 

 

 

 

Hence the booing helps ease the pain of losing. Its really a simple equation.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

No problems with it whatsoever. You hear that kind of stuff all the time in the bleachers. Much worse stuff too.

 

Didn't feel bad for Hawk at all.

 

Ditto. When a man making a few million cannot perform his job at a satisfactory level and I am one of millions paying his salary by buying tickets, jerseys, etc., I have every right in the world to show my displeasure in him.

 

Do you boo if you go to a broadway show and are displeased? The whole idea of booing is selfish and dumb. Does anyone think that LaTroy thought "Hey, we lost, but I wasn't bad. Oh wait, the fans are booing, I must've done something wrong." Players know when they screw up, they don't need tens of thousands of their own fans reminding him.

 

Abso-stinkin-lutely. Until I am afforded the opportunity walk out on the field and look LaTroy in the face and say "that was horrible", booing is my only course of action. The same goes for Broadway. If I went to a show that was as bad as LaTroy has been, I would definitely boo. It is not selfish and dumb, it is something fans have been able to do for decades to show their displeasure. If LaTroy screws up (whether he knows it or not) and nobody boos, he might think nobody really noticed or cared. If thousands are booing that action, it then becomes something called learning.

 

Having said all that, I do think LaTroy is a class act. He was raised a Cub fan and wanted nothing more to succeed in Cubbie blue. Heck, I wanted him to succeed, and until the day he was traded, I was desperately hoping he would turn the corner. He didn't and he kept pitching horribly. Racial slurs and death threats are something completely different. Those are acts that are selfish and dumb.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If LaTroy screws up (whether he knows it or not) and nobody boos, he might think nobody really noticed or cared. If thousands are booing that action, it then becomes something called learning.

 

He might think that nobody noticed or cared?

 

And what does he learn from having fans boo him?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If LaTroy screws up (whether he knows it or not) and nobody boos, he might think nobody really noticed or cared. If thousands are booing that action, it then becomes something called learning.

 

He might think that nobody noticed or cared?

 

And what does he learn from having fans boo him?

 

Associating actions with consequences is a form of learning. He learns by hearing the boos that his actions were not enjoyed by the spectators. Without booing, he does not make that association. Hearing no boos leads to assumptions that actions will be tolerated and chances are those actions will be repeated. A similar association can be made that you feel I am selfish and dumb because I do not find a problem with expressing my displeasure. To each his own...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If LaTroy screws up (whether he knows it or not) and nobody boos, he might think nobody really noticed or cared. If thousands are booing that action, it then becomes something called learning.

 

He might think that nobody noticed or cared?

 

And what does he learn from having fans boo him?

 

Associating actions with consequences is a form of learning. He learns by hearing the boos that his actions were not enjoyed by the spectators. Without booing, he does not make that association. Hearing no boos leads to assumptions that actions will be tolerated and chances are those actions will be repeated. A similar association can be made that you feel I am selfish and dumb because I do not find a problem with expressing my displeasure. To each his own...

 

Like I said before, I don't think any professional baseball player needs boos to realize that they did something wrong. I don't think any professional baseball player says to himself "I blew a save today, but I didn't get booed, so I guess it doesn't matter if I do it again tomorrow.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

If LaTroy screws up (whether he knows it or not) and nobody boos, he might think nobody really noticed or cared. If thousands are booing that action, it then becomes something called learning.

 

He might think that nobody noticed or cared?

 

And what does he learn from having fans boo him?

 

Associating actions with consequences is a form of learning. He learns by hearing the boos that his actions were not enjoyed by the spectators. Without booing, he does not make that association. Hearing no boos leads to assumptions that actions will be tolerated and chances are those actions will be repeated. A similar association can be made that you feel I am selfish and dumb because I do not find a problem with expressing my displeasure. To each his own...

 

Like I said before, I don't think any professional baseball player needs boos to realize that they did something wrong. I don't think any professional baseball player says to himself "I blew a save today, but I didn't get booed, so I guess it doesn't matter if I do it again tomorrow.

 

I would appreciate it if you did not put words into my mouth. I simply answered your question as to how that was considered a form of learning.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If LaTroy screws up (whether he knows it or not) and nobody boos, he might think nobody really noticed or cared. If thousands are booing that action, it then becomes something called learning.

 

He might think that nobody noticed or cared?

 

And what does he learn from having fans boo him?

 

Associating actions with consequences is a form of learning. He learns by hearing the boos that his actions were not enjoyed by the spectators. Without booing, he does not make that association. Hearing no boos leads to assumptions that actions will be tolerated and chances are those actions will be repeated. A similar association can be made that you feel I am selfish and dumb because I do not find a problem with expressing my displeasure. To each his own...

 

Like I said before, I don't think any professional baseball player needs boos to realize that they did something wrong. I don't think any professional baseball player says to himself "I blew a save today, but I didn't get booed, so I guess it doesn't matter if I do it again tomorrow.

 

I would appreciate it if you did not put words into my mouth. I simply answered your question as to how that was considered a form of learning.

 

Put words in your mouth? You said(referring to LaTroy) that the boos help him learn, and then outlined the learning process. Player does bad, fan boos, player learns that he does bad, because otherwise "he does not make the association". What part of that connection is not true?

[Balsa]

I felt bad as a Cubs Fan. This booing has got to stop. If you think that players are giving less than 100%, then go ahead. If it's friendly taunting chants from the bleachers, then fine.

 

But that was awful. LaTroy is a person too, and don't think that he ever gave less than his best for Chicago. You think he wanted to suck? I remember hearing when Dusty told him he was traded, he didn't want to be. He wanted to stay and improve. He's been a Cubs fan since he was young. He has always kept his composure, never yelling back at fans or kicking fans.

 

Yeah he sucked. Out loud. But don't think that he wanted to. Criticize him all you want. For instance the guy only throws fastballs for some reason. But he doesn't deserve the treatment he got at Wrigley.

[oldcubsfan]

D Lee says that it was totally classless also. Bad for the home team to admit that many of the fans are jerks. Only people like the tasteless Mike Murphy on the score think it was good.

It's embarrassing for all true Cubs fans. Even Dempster thinks the booing is out of hand.

ESPN 1000 with Bruce Levine just played the interview clips. I'm sure it will be in the papers tomorrow. It's now on the Cubs.com site.

[littleburr24]

I laughed at first when they started to do it but I really started to feel pretty bad for him after a while. That was just horrible.

 

Same exact thing here, me and my brother were laughin about it, but as it continued we began to feel bad for LaTroy. It's a shame he had to go through this.

[erik316wttn]

I'm really getting tired of seeing the "Cub fans are classless because they boo!!" threads.

 

Should we all bake cookies for players? Should we give them standing ovations for effort when they don't make the plays that they ought to make?

 

Maybe the Cubs should institute a pre-game "hug" time for the players so thier feelings don't get hurt. Maybe they should all convert to Stuart Smalley and tell the players "You're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you."

 

They boo. Red Sox fans boo and they're good fans. Most Cub fans had a small taste of what could have been in 2003 and 2004 and now actually expect this team to win, so poor play won't be tolerated or ignored like it was in the 90's when this team was usually terrible.

 

Get over it, already. They boo. If you want to go hug them, that's your right, but grant me the right to also voice my displeasure with what I percieve to be poor play.

[Soul]

Booing is part of the game, and every fan's right.

 

Yes, even if your best pitcher just threw a no-hitter----some fool has the right to boo. If Ramirez hits a granny that wins us a classic battle, there might be a drunken waste-case out there with a Cub jersey on who forgot what color he's wearing. And he's booing. And he's stupid. And it's his right as a fan.

 

What's the matter with you people anyway? Since when do we become offended by boos? :roll: When did baseball become a 12-step program for cuddly-wuddlies? :?

[imb]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

[erik316wttn]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

[Wheelimus]

To be honest, if I want to see my fans rattle the pitcher, I want it to be because they're CHEERING the guy at the plate so loud that the pitcher can't think at all. Not because they're jeering the guy out of the ballpark.

[imb]

Guess what? I'm just as mad as you are, I just choose to express myself in a way that doesn't make me look like a jerk.

[thrivein05]

This whole thread is about Hawkins' in-game performance. What about the fact that he was just a jerk to begin with? Last year he lashed out at the media, he got suspended for nearly attacking an umpire, and he said things like "well yeah i blew the lead, but at least I didn't give up the go-ahead run." When was this guy ever likeable?

[rickrolled]

Is anyone even paying attention?

 

No one is trying to take away your "right to boo", we're saying that it makes you look like a jack-ass when you do.

 

"BOO HAWKINS, YOU SUCK! BOOOOOO! YOU WEREN'T AS GOOD AS I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE! BOOO!"

 

It's childish and stupid. But, by all means, go ahead. Just dont get upset when those of us that are made to look like jerks because of your actions don't like it.

 

Fine, so when the Cubs fail to score the runner from 3rd with no outs, or a Cubs pitcher blows a pretty good lead late in the game, you can sit there and sing "kumbaya" while I express my displeasure with thier performance.

 

But what is booing going to actually do? If you want a player to do better, why would you boo him? It's just going to put more pressure on him and probably make him perform worse in the long run.

[GaryWoods]

By the way for everyone talking about how most people don't get heckled in their job and how it wouldn't be fair and they couldn't handle it? I did some telemarketing when I was a poor college student. Some of the verbal abuse I took on the phone there put last night to shame. But I understood that came with the territory and I was making pretty decent money for a part-time job in college so I took it.

 

Doesn't compare. LaTroy Hawkins has never woken me up from a needed Sunday afternoon nap to try to sell me something that I don't want. Unsolicited telemarketing should be illegal and punishable by death.