Cubs acquire Jody Gerut from Cleveland for Jason Dubois

[Geech]

Maybe not in your eyes he's not. But for all we know, another GM could think VERY highly of him.

 

That's not a lot to stand on.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Why is it a bad trade? Who really cares.

 

It gets me frustrated that Cub fans care SO MUCH about prospects. If you want to win a World Series, you don't do it with rookies. You need proven players.

 

Dooby struck out a ton, and he was given a chance. He blew it. See ya later.

 

KRod and Miguel Cabrera say hello.

 

Dubois wouldn't even be able to SNIFF their jock straps. For the most part, WS teams have veterans. I can pick a few rookie studs out of my butt, but Doobie is not one of them.

 

So you have a quote in your signature about dusty sitting the youth, then an Eye rolling emoticon.

 

Yet you say here that WS winners are veteran.... Uh...How does this make sense.

 

I rolled my eyes at his philosophy. I'm not advocating that ALL young players play, but at some point you have to play them. If the organization feels that Dubois is not the type of player they want to build upon that's fine by me, I agree. I'd rather have higher OBP guys. Like Matt Murton.

 

Dubois has better OBP numbers at higher levels than Murton, in addition to better power.

 

And plays defense like a blind person. He's better suited in the AL as a DH. I really believe that.

 

Regardless:

 

I am not judging this deal, until I see more. It's the only mature and responsible way to judge a trade

 

For instance if Jody, healthy, becomes our everyday LF next year, and hits

 

.280/.350/.450/.800 with 25 HR and 80 RBI, plays solid defense this could be a very even trade.

 

He's had those numbers before, let's just see what happens before calling hendry an idiot (not saying you're doing that Cpatt20).

 

Like I said before, I don't understand how people can judge a deal, before either guy has even landed in the other city. It's ok to discuss it, but saying it's bad it's good, Gerut is better than/worse than Dubois, is incredibly short-sighted.

 

That's all I'm saying. It could turn out to be the worst deal ever. or the BEST deal ever. No one knows.

 

That's fine. I'm just pointing out that you say you prefer Murton to Dubois because of OBP, when in fact Dubois has been as good if not better at getting on base. If his defense is that big a deal to you that you think more of Murton because of it, fine. I'm just trying to figure out where you stand.

[Roast]

I didn't attack a single poster.

 

Your right. Your slam was directed at a large group. Those who do not agree with you. Saying that something is the only MATURE and RESPONSIBLE way to do something, implys that what other people do is immature and irresponsible.

 

Hense, a slam.

[Blueheart05]

Dubois played in 52 games. Maybe he only started 20...although even that seems low.

 

Thanks, I just corrected that

[Roast]

Maybe not in your eyes he's not. But for all we know, another GM could think VERY highly of him.

 

That's not a lot to stand on.

 

Thats why we call it speculation.

[Geech]

Plz see the Jason lane posts.

 

 

Maybe Gerut fits the bill of what Cincy wants more than doobie.

 

Like I said, I don't know much about Lane, but Gerut looks like a role-player. If that's what Cincy is looking for, they could get one anywhere.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Do we have any published confirmed reports saying Grieve is the one begin removed from the 25 man roster or is that all speculation? Regardless, a move will have to be made to clear a spot for Gerut on the 25 man for Tuesday night's game.

[brinoch]

 

I am not judging this deal, until I see more. It's the only mature and responsible way to judge a trade

 

 

Nice personal slam!

 

If that constitutes a personal slam, then someone please kick me off the boards. I didn't attack a single poster. I merely feel it's the only mature and responsible way to judge a trade.

 

Let's keep it civil, folks. We've all got plenty to discuss without getting into a debate over what is and isn't a slam.

 

Roast -- I don't think badger's intention was to criticize anyone, and I didn't read it that way.

 

Badger -- I can see how it could come across that way, from a different perspective.

 

Still, no harm, and no foul. A simple miscommunication -- it happens a lot online, particularly in an intense conversation. That said, end it.

Edited July 19, 2005 by brinoch

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I didn't attack a single poster.

 

Your right. Your slam was directed at a large group. Those who do not agree with you. Saying that something is the only MATURE and RESPONSIBLE way to do something, implys that what other people do is immature and irresponsible.

 

Hense, a slam.

 

Sorry Roast, I don't see it. He was replying to me too. I know that can be kind of a fine line, but given his pasts posts about evaluating the trade, I don't see an attack.

[Roast]

Plz see the Jason lane posts.

 

 

Maybe Gerut fits the bill of what Cincy wants more than doobie.

 

Like I said, I don't know much about Lane, but Gerut looks like a role-player. If that's what Cincy is looking for, they could get one anywhere.

 

Lane and Geruts stats are fairly similar in every category. Geruts are just a touch higher in just about every category however.

 

If Cincy wanted lane, isnt it logical they would want Gerut?

[Geech]

Maybe not in your eyes he's not. But for all we know, another GM could think VERY highly of him.

 

That's not a lot to stand on.

 

Thats why we call it speculation.

 

Speculation implies reasoning rather than guessing.

[rickrolled]

Do we have any published confirmed reports saying Grieve is the one begin removed from the 25 man roster or is that all speculation? Regardless, a move will have to be made to clear a spot for Gerut on the 25 man for Tuesday night's game.

 

Nothing confirmed. Rotoworld says he'll likely take Grieve's spot, but nothing official right now.

[Roast]

I didn't attack a single poster.

 

Your right. Your slam was directed at a large group. Those who do not agree with you. Saying that something is the only MATURE and RESPONSIBLE way to do something, implys that what other people do is immature and irresponsible.

 

Hense, a slam.

 

Sorry Roast, I don't see it. He was replying to me too. I know that can be kind of a fine line, but given his pasts posts about evaluating the trade, I don't see an attack.

 

I thought it was, by the wording and the....well....size of the line in question.

 

I will step back now. This is why i am not a mod.

[Geech]

Lane and Geruts stats are fairly similar in every category. Geruts are just a touch higher in just about every category however.

 

If Cincy wanted lane, isnt it logical they would want Gerut?

 

No, it isn't. It's possible that Lane has an upside that interests Cinci. It's possible, like Vance suggested originally, that they're asking for the best from any given system and aren't trying to fill very specific roles.

 

In fact, I think the latter is probably the most likely alternative.

[badger1679666666]

I didn't attack a single poster.

 

Your right. Your slam was directed at a large group. Those who do not agree with you. Saying that something is the only MATURE and RESPONSIBLE way to do something, implys that what other people do is immature and irresponsible.

 

Hense, a slam.

 

Wrong. I believe that to judge a trade before you've even seen the players is not a mature and responsible decision. If you feel otherwise fine. You might believe that waiting to see the actual production post-trade is unnecessary. You have that right. I don't believe it's the right thing to do.

 

But Whatever, I'm not arguing with you about whether what I said was an attack or not. Think what you want, if a mod has a problem with that rather innocous statement of my PHILOSOPHY they can let me know.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Do we have any published confirmed reports saying Grieve is the one begin removed from the 25 man roster or is that all speculation? Regardless, a move will have to be made to clear a spot for Gerut on the 25 man for Tuesday night's game.

 

Actually the Trib article speculates it could be Grieve or Mitre. Maybe we're finally getting rid of the extra pitcher.

[erik316wttn]

I don't really see how people can say "Oh, well Doobie was given his chance, he blew it. See ya"

 

A) This is his first full year in the bigs

 

B) Far worse players have been given far more chances to succeed under Dusty.

[Roast]

Maybe not in your eyes he's not. But for all we know, another GM could think VERY highly of him.

 

That's not a lot to stand on.

 

Thats why we call it speculation.

 

Speculation implies reasoning rather than guessing.

 

Because it is. When you add together hendrys track record. The information from Vance's souce. The comparison of lane and Gerut.

 

That is reasoning.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Plz see the Jason lane posts.

 

 

Maybe Gerut fits the bill of what Cincy wants more than doobie.

 

Like I said, I don't know much about Lane, but Gerut looks like a role-player. If that's what Cincy is looking for, they could get one anywhere.

 

Lane and Geruts stats are fairly similar in every category. Geruts are just a touch higher in just about every category however.

 

If Cincy wanted lane, isnt it logical they would want Gerut?

 

It isn't illogical at all. I wondered why they'd want Lane, but I've never had a reason to doubt my source thus far.

[Stomper90]

I didn't attack a single poster.

 

Your right. Your slam was directed at a large group. Those who do not agree with you. Saying that something is the only MATURE and RESPONSIBLE way to do something, implys that what other people do is immature and irresponsible.

 

Hense, a slam.

 

::yawn::

[badger1679666666]

I didn't attack a single poster.

 

Your right. Your slam was directed at a large group. Those who do not agree with you. Saying that something is the only MATURE and RESPONSIBLE way to do something, implys that what other people do is immature and irresponsible.

 

Hense, a slam.

 

Sorry Roast, I don't see it. He was replying to me too. I know that can be kind of a fine line, but given his pasts posts about evaluating the trade, I don't see an attack.

 

I thought it was, by the wording and the....well....size of the line in question.

 

I will step back now. This is why i am not a mod.

 

My apologies, the size was more for emphasis, to show CPatt where I was coming from, because I had mentioned it before and I didn't know if he saw it or not.

 

See my above post.

[JoshiQ]

So, assuming we keep Gerut. What's his role? Does he take Hollandsworth's spot as the LHed part of the platoon. Does he take Hairston's spot in CF? Is he simply a versatile bench player and takes Grieve's spot?

 

Grieve, Murton, Hollandsworth, Hairston, Dubois, or Greenburg could have carried the outfielder role.

 

How the heck do you know that? You have only seen Greenburg in one at bat...and he got hit. Dubois struggled toward quite a bit this year. Grieve...well, he's Grieve. Holla hasn't shown much this year either, save for lately.

 

I don't understand how you can just throw all of those names out there like that means something.

 

Burnitz is going to start in right, Hairston is going to start in center.

 

This leaves Gerut probably in left. I seriously do not see how he could be such a huge upgrade over Dubois or Holly. Grieve fits the pinch-hit role perfectly as a lefty power hitter. I'll admit that I don't know as much about Greenburg, but from what I've seen I think Murton is doing okay in the left field position.

 

The problem I have is that if we are going to try for the wild card then we have to get somebody a little bit more established than Gerut of all people. Somebody that we already know will be a help. Even though Nomar didn't work out, he would fit this role.

 

On the other hand, if we are rebuilding this year then this move makes some sense. Maybe Dubois just doesn't work out for the Cubs and we are going to try and make Gerut a good outfielder. That's fine. But if we are rebuilding then we better start making more moves then this.

 

If this is a rebuild move or a move that sets up to a future move then fine. If it is to stand pat in the outfield, it's ridiculous.

[Geech]

Maybe not in your eyes he's not. But for all we know, another GM could think VERY highly of him.

 

That's not a lot to stand on.

 

Thats why we call it speculation.

 

Speculation implies reasoning rather than guessing.

 

Because it is. When you add together hendrys track record. The information from Vance's souce. The comparison of lane and Gerut.

 

That is reasoning.

 

Vance's conclusion based on his source contradicts your arguments here, your comparison between the players is suspect given a relative lack of information and Hendry's track record hardly guarantees success.

 

It's just a lot of guessing combined with baseless hopes.

[badger1679666666]

So seeing how I was supposed to be in bed an hour ago, please don't quote my posts anymore. I'm addicted to NSBB.

 

:D

[Roast]

Lane and Geruts stats are fairly similar in every category. Geruts are just a touch higher in just about every category however.

 

If Cincy wanted lane, isnt it logical they would want Gerut?

 

No, it isn't. It's possible that Lane has an upside that interests Cinci. It's possible, like Vance suggested originally, that they're asking for the best from any given system and aren't trying to fill very specific roles.

 

In fact, I think the latter is probably the most likely alternative.

 

True. But I am not standing on any one of these speculations alone. I/we are lumpign them together. When you add them all together, it makes sense. Its possible that lane has an upside that intrests cincy. But seeing as how their numbers are very close, with gerut having the slightly higher numbers in every category, wouldnt it be just as logical to speculate that they see that same thign in Gerut.