Rosenthal mentions Dunn as possibility for Cubs

[sethuel1]

I would hit Dunn in the 2 hole after Walker.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Dunn is a true three outcomes sort of guy. I would say he reminds me of Dave Kingman (both are 6'6''), but he obviously has far more plate discipline. In fact, of all of the true three outcome guys I can think of, few have his ability to walk while striking out so much at such a young age. Baseball Reference finds him most comparable at this point to Reggie Jackson, but Reggie was far more athletic.

 

A not too unfavorable comparison to Adam Dunn is Mark McGwire. Both have/had prodigious power along with good plate discipline and both are/were big, strongly built, tall guys. But in the age of steroid testing, I'm not sure Dunn can extend his career in the manner that McGwire did. To me, Adam Dunn does not seem like the kind of guy who would age well -- in other words, he seems to me to have "old man" skills, this despite the fact that he stole 19 bases in his second year of major league baseball and remains an above average base stealer. Given the way he plays defense, his eventual destination will be first base / designated hitter.

 

Still, I would trade for him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Dunn is third in all of baseball in strikeouts right now, followed by patterson. Also he is batting a robust .243. Now that solves the cubs problems by getting guys on base in front of their 3 big hitters. Thats why the Cubs need to acquire a corner outfielder who just gets on base and hits for average. We dont need another power guy.

 

Dunn could be the player to provide the protection Dusty wants behind Ramirez. That means that Walker could move back to the top. Walker at number one or two does solve the OBP problem ahead of the bashers.

 

While Dunn may only be hitting .243, his ability to take a walk make up for that. He gets on base and it doesn't matter if you do that with a walk or a hit.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The guys at Red Zone don't think too highly of the returns for Dunn that Mr. Rosenthal suggests.

[Deeg]

Dunn really isn't a bad LF, so I don't see it as a lock that he ends up a 1B/DH. People tend to assume big guys are butchers, especially in the outfield, but it isn't always so.

 

Moot point anyway - I really don't think Cincy trades him inside the division.

[ToupeeOnFire]

Dunn really isn't a bad LF, so I don't see it as a lock that he ends up a 1B/DH. People tend to assume big guys are butchers, especially in the outfield, but it isn't always so.

 

But I regularly get to watch Cincinatti Reds games via MLB Extra Inninings. Since my best friend is a Reds fan, I tend to watch them quite a bit. While I try to be fair and give the benefit of the doubt when evaluating players, everything I have seen of Dunn indicates he is a slug in left field. The Reds are second to the bottom in defensive effeciency, and while I am sure their putrid pitching has something to with it, Adam Dunn sure isn't helping matters any.

[Mark_R]

Dunn is third in all of baseball in strikeouts right now, followed by patterson. Also he is batting a robust .243. Now that solves the cubs problems by getting guys on base in front of their 3 big hitters. Thats why the Cubs need to acquire a corner outfielder who just gets on base and hits for average. We dont need another power guy.

 

Dunn could be the player to provide the protection Dusty wants behind Ramirez. That means that Walker could move back to the top. Walker at number one or two does solve the OBP problem ahead of the bashers.

 

While Dunn may only be hitting .243, his ability to take a walk make up for that. He gets on base and it doesn't matter if you do that with a walk or a hit.

 

Dunn hits second on this team. Anywhere else is a waste.

 

Walker

Dunn

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Patterson

Cedeno

 

Burnitz is more than adequate enough protection for Aramis. Chances are Dusty would never see it that way :roll:

[Backtobanks]

If that's the case, Dunn deal. Dubois, Mitre, and Welly is not much to give up for Dunn at all. IMO.

 

I'd even add Dope and maybe even the Gooze to those 3.

 

Let's slow down a little. We're talking about Adam Dunn, not Babe Ruth. To give up 5 players for him is ridiculous. I know about all of those fancy numbers that some of you guys throw around, but the bottom line is he's still hitting .243. Yes, I would like him on the team for the OBP and power, but his strike outs and BA are in Corey Patterson Land (without the speed and defense). Dubois, Mitre, & Welly are plenty.

[CubinNY]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade? I think that is the kind of trade Cincy would want. They don't want a package of number 3 starters and an AA ball player. They would want an impact player.

 

I just don't know. I would have to think long and hard about it, but I might.

 

It would be a lot easier if Guzman could stay healthy.

[XZero771679666304]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade? I think that is the kind of trade Cincy would want. They don't want a package of number 3 starters and an AA ball player. They would want an impact player.

 

I just don't know. I would have to think long and hard about it, but I might.

 

It would be a lot easier if Guzman could stay healthy.

 

I don't rade Prior or Zambrano, unless the return is overwhelming. I love Dunn, but if it takes Z to get him, the Reds can keep him.

[Chocolate Milk]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade?

 

No.

[USSoccer]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade? I think that is the kind of trade Cincy would want. They don't want a package of number 3 starters and an AA ball player. They would want an impact player.

 

I just don't know. I would have to think long and hard about it, but I might.

 

It would be a lot easier if Guzman could stay healthy.

 

Nope. Not on a train, not on a plane, not near a mouse, not in a house do I deal Z for anyone except ARod.

[SCCubbieFAN]

The article says the Reds trade Dunn only if they receive a top young pitcher in return. Do ya'll thing Mitre fits that description? It may take Williams to get a deal done. So is Williams and Mitre too much?

[USSoccer]

The article says the Reds trade Dunn only if they receive a top young pitcher in return. Do ya'll thing Mitre fits that description? It may take Williams to get a deal done. So is Williams and Mitre too much?

 

I think top pitcher would be a description of Guzman if he wasn't hurt all the time. We don't really have any "top" pitching prospects, but a bunch of #2-4 starters in the system.

[chopsx9]

Would anyone do a Dunn for Zambrano trade? I think that is the kind of trade Cincy would want. They don't want a package of number 3 starters and an AA ball player. They would want an impact player.

 

I just don't know. I would have to think long and hard about it, but I might.

 

It would be a lot easier if Guzman could stay healthy.

 

 

 

INSANITY!!!!! No way. Not a chance.

 

I like Dunn, but lets not lose our heads. If it takes Dubois, Mitre and Wellmyer - then it's a no brainer. I think the price would be a LOT steeper - this isn't a salary dump.

 

I have to agree with an earlier poster - I like Dunn but he isn't the Messiah. He isn't a get at any cost guy in my opinion. Dusty is not going to hit him second. He won't. Yeah OBP is great but it would be a whole lot better if more of that OBP were coming from batting average. You have to be able to hit at least .250, .260 really. He strikes me as a guy that is going to flame out - Corey Snyder, Balboni, Deer, Incaviliga (??) etc, etc.

 

Again, I am all for trading for him - but Zambrano??? Not a chance.

[CubinNY]

The article says the Reds trade Dunn only if they receive a top young pitcher in return. Do ya'll thing Mitre fits that description? It may take Williams to get a deal done. So is Williams and Mitre too much?

 

Williams isn't a difference maker either. I will be shocked if Hendry can get Dunn without having to give up one of the big three. Short of that I just don't see it happening.

 

Quantity never trumps quality, never. So three #3s or one #2 and two #3s are never gonna get the Cubs Dunn.

Edited June 30, 2005 by CubinNY

[bannor10]

Dunn, although he has some non=desirable qualities can be a differance maker.... He's what 25 or 26.....He will get better.....He won't be cheap to trade for but he is a guy that could be in Cubby blue for a long time

 

I think if we trade for him it will cost US

 

Dunn for Cedeno, Hill, Williams

[jyoung55]

So where are you going to bad Mr. Dunn. 1st or 2nd. Cuz i thought i was trying to say we needed to guy to get on before our 3, 4, 5 hitters. Only way this would be good is if he agreed to do that. But then again why dont you just go get a true leadoff hittler and the Walker bat second.

 

Lineup like this

True Leadoff hitter

Walker

Lee

Burnitz

A Ram

Barret

Patterson

Neifi

Pitcher

 

Something to that effect and we could hopfully have guys on when our good hitters came to the plate.

 

That's near sighted analysis. If Dunn were to come over, Walker could move up to 2 because Aramis would then be protected by Burnitz and Barrett. It goes to what Tim was saying in the Game Threads yesterday about improving quality up and down the lineup and the 1-2 hitters naturally getting better.

 

But with that being said, I am in the "I'll Believe It When I See It" Camp when it comes to getting Dunn.

[CubinNY]

Dunn, although he has some non=desirable qualities can be a differance maker.... He's what 25 or 26.....He will get better.....He won't be cheap to trade for but he is a guy that could be in Cubby blue for a long time

 

I think if we trade for him it will cost US

 

Dunn for Cedeno, Hill, Williams

 

I do that in a NY minute, but I don't think that gets it done either.

 

Willams nor Hill is a #1 starter and Cedeno is not an impact player.

[Chocolate Milk]

Put me in the, "I'd like to have done but am not willing to mortgage to farm to get him." group. Edited June 30, 2005 by Chocolate Milk

[JC]

Dunn would be nice, but I'm ridiculously high on him. His OBP is now down to .333 for the month. I can live with a guy hitting in the .240's if his OBP remains blistering high, but .333 isn't going to cut it.

 

Plus, that comment he made about wanting to play in Texas nags at me. I'd hate to give up a lot for him, only to see him an Astro in a short time.

[CubfaninCA]

Mitre, Guzman, Wellemeyer & DuBois for Dunn. Cincy gets 3 guys they can put on their roster immediately.

[Rooftop Bum]

I was just wondering. Is there anything actually going on rumorwise with Kotsay coming to the Cubs potentially? Or is that all just mainly wishful thinking? I don't remember any links or reports other than Kotsay being considered by the Yankees.

 

Personally I would like to see BOTH Kotsay and Dunn with the Cubs. I can almost see the Cubs being quite competitive the rest of the way with them. I think they could actually pull off some deals for those 2. Especially Dunn.

[JC]

Unless Cincy has 40 man room, you can't just think that they would be able to take on 3, 4 or 5 players for one.

[Tim]

Unless Cincy has 40 man room, you can't just think that they would be able to take on 3, 4 or 5 players for one.

Oh, okay. We'll take Freel back, too, if we have to in order for them to clear space.