Bears week 12 vs Vikings Sunday at noon on FOX

[Brian707]

The ball appeared to be underthrown, my only guess as to why DPI was not called

[BigSlick]

At this point, I just assume everything, the refs, the bouncing of the ball, the weather, our head coach, etc conspire against us to lose. This is perhaps the most snake bitten season I’ve ever seen. Last year I comforted myself by imagining we’ll “get it out of our system” with the bad losses, but it only got worse. 
 

and perhaps there’s no end to it. We just have to live with it forever. I dunno. I’d hope the ball bounces the other way at some point, but why should it? It’s the gamblers fallacy that it should. 

[NorthsideAvenger]

23 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

What is this gibberish?  BTW that whole thing was stupid and not really Eberflus's fault.  there was indisputable evidence but somehow werent allowed to use it in the interest of fairness because all 30 stadiums don't have that camera angle installed.  Who cares?  Soldier Field does, and that replay showed he stepped out of bounds.  Why screw the Bears over due to a technicality?

But Eberflus's explanation still sounds ridiculously dumb.

Been at work all day but what in the what? Is the NFL just making things up on the fly, now?

[UMFan83]

2 hours ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Been at work all day but what in the what? Is the NFL just making things up on the fly, now?

 

 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

4 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

 

 

The NFL has long done dumb horsefeathers, but this is one of the dumbest. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

On 11/25/2024 at 2:28 PM, UMFan83 said:

Absolutely...this team should easily be 6-5 or 7-4 right now.  Last year's team could have easily won 8 or 9 games.  The Bears have punted on the last 2 seasons because we have a scared little bitch manning the sidelines.  Kyle doesn't agree of course...I'm not saying the team is perfect but they have enough talent to be a playoff contender and our little bitch ass coach is holding us back and wasting years of our lives when we've been waiting so long to have an ounce of pride about our football team.

This team would be 6-5 if Tyrique Stephenson executed the basic hail mary defense techniques he was taught in junior high, and if one guy on special teams had executed his block.

If those two things had happened, Eberflus would be the exact same coach he is right now at this exact second and we would be 6-5.   Nothing about him, his coaching or his playcalls would have changed and we would have a winning record.

I know better than to try to convince sports fans that close losses are heavily influenced by random variance.  The human brain is simply not wired to accept it, the fundamental attribution bias is too strong. Our evolutionary gift of hyperactive pattern recognition that made us really good at spotting tigers in jungles has the unfortunate side effect of making us really bad at understanding sports. It's no different than every time a baseball team has a big gap in their run differential vs results through 30 or 40 games.  

Meanwhile, the coaching staff everyone was drooling over in Washington just lost a game when their kicked missed the tying extra points in the closing seconds.

I want Eberflus fired at this point because he let the locker room get out of control and because he's had multiple coordinator-level debacles in his staff in a short period. And I definitely want him fired because until he is, Bears discourse will be completely consumed by it because people feel like if they talk about anything else then he might not get fired.

But it'll fix everything the same way the last dozen coach firings fixed everything, which is to say it won't fix everything.

There's a lot of reasons this bears team is the worst team in the division:

- the division is insanely good this year

- Caleb Williams is a rookie QB and has frequently played like it

- Ryan Poles' weird positional priorities are starting to come home on him.  You know what stops Sam Darnold from marching on you in ot? A second starting edge who isn't picked up off the scrap heap while you pile money into linebackers.

- an ungodly run of injuries right when we hit the part of the schedule we were hoping to run up some wins with 

 

 

 

[Brian707]

Yes its not all bad coaching,  but you can't deny the horrible clock management,  horrible challenges, horrible use of time outs,  perhaps losing the locker room etc.

His bad record in 1 score games mostly happened during the tank seasons but also losing 6 games with a >95% chance to win all of them matters too.

 

 

[gflore34]

Chalking up he loses to Washington and Green Bay to solely variance is way off.  They are things Eberflus could have done in both games that could have dramatically increased the Bears chances of winning.  Yes, a good deal of variance is still involved however, there is a factor of putting your players/team in a position to succeed.  This is where Eberflus routinely fails, I don't know, maybe, the whole staff is football brain-dead.  If me, a novice football fan, knows Daniels ribs are affecting his ability to throw deep so, let's not give him free yardage to make the Hail Mary throw shorter.  Or, my kicker has to kick line drives on longer kicks, maybe, I should try to get as close as possible by running a couple of plays before attempting a FG.  There's got to be someone on his staff, the supposed expert professionals who do this for a living, suggesting the same things to Eberflus.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

6 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Yes its not all bad coaching,  but you can't deny the horrible clock management,  horrible challenges, horrible use of time outs,  perhaps losing the locker room etc.

His bad record in 1 score games mostly happened during the tank seasons but also losing 6 games with a >95% chance to win all of them matters too.

 

 

I could go to 31 other NFL fanbases and they'd all say their coaches are terrible at those things.   Maaaaaybe not the Chiefs, but Andy Reid used to get those accusations too.

Except for the locker room issues, that one is legit 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 hours ago, gflore34 said:

Chalking up he loses to Washington and Green Bay to solely variance is way off.  They are things Eberflus could have done in both games that could have dramatically increased the Bears chances of winning.  Yes, a good deal of variance is still involved however, there is a factor of putting your players/team in a position to succeed.  This is where Eberflus routinely fails, I don't know, maybe, the whole staff is football brain-dead.  If me, a novice football fan, knows Daniels ribs are affecting his ability to throw deep so, let's not give him free yardage to make the Hail Mary throw shorter.  Or, my kicker has to kick line drives on longer kicks, maybe, I should try to get as close as possible by running a couple of plays before attempting a FG.  There's got to be someone on his staff, the supposed expert professionals who do this for a living, suggesting the same things to Eberflus.

Daniels' hail Mary was short, making it longer wouldn't have changed anything when your db tips it backwards to a guy behind everyone.

Santos has been kicking those trajectories his whole career not getting them blocked consistently.

Maybe Eberflus' bad decisions are turning 98% wins into 96% wins so he's still responsible in that way, but it's still incredibly fluky.

But again, I know it's impossible to convince people of this because the human brain is simply not wired to accept it.  

 

Sooner he gets fired to sooner we can talk about anything else with the Bears 

Edited November 27, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[minnesotacubsfan]

5 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I could go to 31 other NFL fanbases and they'd all say their coaches are terrible at those things.   Maaaaaybe not the Chiefs, but Andy Reid used to get those accusations too.

Except for the locker room issues, that one is legit 

whatever. at every istance (W, GB, MN) nearly every person in these threads were making the same real time decisions (defend the intermediate - or SACK DANIELS - for WA, try for a TD or to get closer for GB, and STOP PLAYING SOFT ON D for MN), there isnt much - if any- devision here about those decisions because to most, they were obvious. Eberflus is too tennative. can he change that ? I have no idea

[BigbadB]

16 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Daniels' hail Mary was short, making it longer wouldn't have changed anything when your db tips it backwards to a guy behind everyone.

Santos has been kicking those trajectories his whole career not getting them blocked consistently.

Maybe Eberflus' bad decisions are turning 98% wins into 96% wins so he's still responsible in that way, but it's still incredibly fluky.

But again, I know it's impossible to convince people of this because the human brain is simply not wired to accept it.  

 

Sooner he gets fired to sooner we can talk about anything else with the Bears 

You are giving Eberflus way too much credit here. Not burning time outs when you have them late in that Green Bay game is inexcusable. We see teams burn them all the time once they see what the offense is planning on doing. Using a time out on both those last two plays was a no brainer. Maybe you put Odunze and Allen or anyone else that's tall into that Hail Mary pass play to help bat the ball away. That time out might have even allowed Stevenson to actually be where he was supposed to be, since he is the very one who said the guy who caught that ball was his responsibility. Instead, he was jawing with fans and came into the play late and in the wrong place, and ended up tipping the ball to the guy he was supposedly supposed to be covering.

Using the time outs assures everyone knows their assignments. It assures the coach has thought about how to defend those plays to the best of his and his players abilities.

We've also always known Santos is not a long range kicker. He's probably the only kicker in the league this year that missed a 54 yard field goal (short) without it being blocked. He's accurate from short range, so getting him as close as possible was the smart play. They had time to run more plays and chose not to. If he makes that field goal, no one questions this one. But he missed, which gives all of us every right to question standing around watching the clock run off. That's what losing coaches do.

It's also likely the type of decisions that cost him the locker room. Those players all want to win. Eberflus isn't winning and his decisions are turning what appears to be wins into losses.

[gflore34]

14 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

whatever. at every istance (W, GB, MN) nearly every person in these threads were making the same real time decisions (defend the intermediate - or SACK DANIELS - for WA, try for a TD or to get closer for GB, and STOP PLAYING SOFT ON D for MN), there isnt much - if any- devision here about those decisions because to most, they were obvious. Eberflus is too tennative. can he change that ? I have no idea

This what I don't understand, his approach is not working, ultimately it's going to result in his termination.  Knowing this, one would think he'd change trying to save his job.  Is he too dense?  Does he not realize he's going to be a former head coach sometime soon?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

15 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

whatever. at every istance (W, GB, MN) nearly every person in these threads were making the same real time decisions (defend the intermediate - or SACK DANIELS - for WA, try for a TD or to get closer for GB, and STOP PLAYING SOFT ON D for MN), there isnt much - if any- devision here about those decisions because to most, they were obvious. Eberflus is too tennative. can he change that ? I have no idea

Everyone thinks any D that gives up a pass completion is "soft."

I haven't gone back and counted the blitzes on the final drive but there were at least several.   The final completion to Hockenwhatever down to the 9 came on a blitz and everyone was screaming about that play being a soft defense because Eberflus is too scared to blitz 

Edited November 28, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[CubinNY]

The game appears to be on CBS 

[minnesotacubsfan]

Gordon being held 

[CubinNY]

I’m half watching while prep cooking and I don’t think I’ve seen the bears with the ball yet. 

[jersey cubs fan]

How drunk are you two? 

1 hour ago, CubinNY said:

The game appears to be on CBS 

 

1 hour ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Gordon being held 

 

19 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

I’m half watching while prep cooking and I don’t think I’ve seen the bears with the ball yet. 

 

[CubinNY]

One Weller Special Reserve and 20 mg edible. 

[gflore34]

7 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Everyone thinks any D that gives up a pass completion is "soft."

I haven't gone back and counted the blitzes on the final drive but there were at least several.   The final completion to Hockenwhatever down to the 9 came on a blitz and everyone was screaming about that play being a soft defense because Eberflus is too scared to blitz 

Wasn't there a 3-10 with the Bears giving Addison or whatever horsefeathers face receiver for the Vikings a huge cushion?  And, of course, the Vikings easily converted.  What's not tentative or soft about that?

Edited November 29, 2024 by gflore34

[Hairyducked Idiot]

34 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Wasn't there a 3-10 with the Bears giving Addison or whatever horsefeathers face receiver for the Vikings a huge cushion?  And, of course, the Vikings easily converted.  What's not tentative or soft about that?

The one in ot? It looks like a standard 2-deep zone and he found the hole in the zone.  The biggest issue there is getting no pressure with four 

[BigbadB]

17 hours ago, CubinNY said:

One Weller Special Reserve and 20 mg edible. 

My wife bought me a 5 pack of 20 mg edibles. I normally do 10mg, so this was my first try with a 20. We went to a friend's house for beers. Probably a total of 5 or 6 of us, including my wife. I was a zombie. I think I drank a total of 3 beers over 3 hours besides the edible. I was completely unsociable, mind racing and sitting like a lump in a chair I apologized to everyone later on, but it wasn't even enjoyable. 

10's are perfect for socializing for me. My wife ended up eating the other 20's. I was afraid to do another one after how out of sorts I was the first time. And that's weird to me. I could always hang with everyone else when passing around a joint.

[minnesotacubsfan]

20 is a lot gents