Bears Week 3 at Colts: Sunday at noon on CBS

[gflore34]

3 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

It's a speed option, cut blocks are standard.

That play has to be audibled or call a time out.  They called it because they expected the colts to overload the middle again.  The colts didn't and had an extra man outside the tackle on the wide side.  

The play fell apart because there was an extra man out there, and because Braxton Jones was being asked to get around and seal the edge on a guy way too far to his left 

It's a perfectly standard normal part of an NFL goal line package, but it was defeated by look at the line 

Should the same situation arise in the future I'll be we'll see Williams audible or call a time out.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, gflore34 said:

Should the same situation arise in the future I'll be we'll see Williams audible or call a time out.

Maybe he's not allowed to audible there. Maybe the coaching staff didn't get the play in on time to give him a chance.  Maybe Waldron should have guessed better.  Or maybe he missed it.

[gflore34]

8 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Maybe he's not allowed to audible there. Maybe the coaching staff didn't get the play in on time to give him a chance.  Maybe Waldron should have guessed better.  Or maybe he missed it.

Wasn't there mention that Williams recognized the alignment and wanted to audible but there wasn't enough time?

[BigbadB]

It's all the little things that cause this team to lose games. At least 3 games were lost last year with this nonsense, and the little things are costing them again this year. I had a lot of hope to start the season, but right now, GB, Minn and Det all look better than the Bears. Lots of work to do to turn that around. 

[mul21]

52 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Wasn't there mention that Williams recognized the alignment and wanted to audible but there wasn't enough time?

That's exactly what happened.  The play was slow to come in.  This whole coaching staff is reactionary instead of having a plan for the next move regardless of the outcome of the play happening in the moment.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

One more for fun then I really need to take a break

 

Career 350+ yard passing games

Caleb Williams - 1

Justin Fields - 0

Jordan Love - 0

[Old Style]

Who here would turn down a Williams for Stroud trade offer today?

[Soul]

36 minutes ago, Old Style said:

Who here would turn down a Williams for Stroud trade offer today?

Give me the Texans’ staff and you’ve got yourself a deal.

Edited September 23, 2024 by Soul

[17 Seconds]

37 minutes ago, Old Style said:

Who here would turn down a Williams for Stroud trade offer today?

i don't think anyone would have turned that down at any time

[NorthsideAvenger]

1 hour ago, Old Style said:

Who here would turn down a Williams for Stroud trade offer today?

Both will be the same tier QB when they are at their best. So, imo, it would be a lateral trade at best. Now ask if we would trade Caleb Williams for Josh Allen.

[Wilson A2000]

I think Caleb is as good as you can expect at this point. The expectations were just too high to go 10-7 or whatever most people thought the Bears would go. When you have a bad line, no run game, and what looks to be a bad offensive coordinator, that’s not helping Caleb one bit. He is progressing each game, but he’s not the reason you are winning yet. Hopefully by midseason he is.

Edited September 23, 2024 by Wilson A2000

[raw]

On 9/12/2024 at 2:06 PM, Brian707 said:

Would you rather have the Bears win 10-9 but Caleb goes 15-25 for 125 0Tds 2INT 

or

Texans win 31-28 but Caleb goes 20-25 4TDs 320 yards 0 INT?

 

Myself I would go option 2.

Well we kinda got option 2, a week late.  Didn't get the points. Got the INTs and a crucial fumble, but got a assload of yards and a couple big drives to keep the team alive with 0 run game.

[Old Style]

40 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

i don't think anyone would have turned that down at any time

I’ve asked multiple Bears fans I’m friends with and only one said they’d take that deal. I was quite surprised. 

[Old Style]

7 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

Both will be the same tier QB when they are at their best. So, imo, it would be a lateral trade at best. Now ask if we would trade Caleb Williams for Josh Allen.

So you think that’s Caleb’s ceiling? Not as good as Josh Allen?

[raw]

1 minute ago, Wilson A2000 said:

I think Caleb is as good as you can expect at this point. The expectations were just too high to go 10-7 or whatever most people thought the Bears would go. When you have a bad line, no run game, and what looks to be a bad offensive coordinator, that’s not helping Caleb one bit. He is progressing each game, but he’s not the reason you are winning yet. Hopefully by midseason he is.

You know, they can still go 10-7 right? Last year's team got much better down the stretch. There's no reason a better roster can't get better with the excuse of learning a new offense and a new OC learning new personnel.

Not that I necessarily think the Bears WILL go 10-7, but this league has been a mess this year. 30 of the 32 teams have won a game so far, with the other 2 having a chance to win tonight. 

Saints destroyed the Cowboys, as the best offense in the league, get shutdown by Philly who gave up a 6 point lead in 50 seconds last Monday.

The Patriots went from looking very competent to like the worst team in the league.

The Cardinals went from blowing a 17-3 lead, to a 30 point win, to a 13 point outing at home vs Detroit

The Panthers went from looking like the worst team in the league, to a juggernaut offense w/ Andy Dalton

Tampa looked like a playoff team and lost by 3 scores to previously 0-2 Denver

Texans got destroyed by Vikings. Ravens destroyed Dallas after being 0-2. 

[17 Seconds]

3 minutes ago, Old Style said:

I’ve asked multiple Bears fans I’m friends with and only one said they’d take that deal. I was quite surprised. 

maybe I'm out of touch

[gflore34]

21 minutes ago, raw said:

Well we kinda got option 2, a week late.  Didn't get the points. Got the INTs and a crucial fumble, but got a assload of yards and a couple big drives to keep the team alive with 0 run game.

Most definitely the second option, the first option is the realm of Mitch and Justin are your QB's and will eventually get ugly and lead to mostly losing.

Edited September 23, 2024 by gflore34

[gflore34]

22 minutes ago, raw said:

You know, they can still go 10-7 right? Last year's team got much better down the stretch. There's no reason a better roster can't get better with the excuse of learning a new offense and a new OC learning new personnel.

Not that I necessarily think the Bears WILL go 10-7, but this league has been a mess this year. 30 of the 32 teams have won a game so far, with the other 2 having a chance to win tonight. 

Saints destroyed the Cowboys, as the best offense in the league, get shutdown by Philly who gave up a 6 point lead in 50 seconds last Monday.

The Patriots went from looking very competent to like the worst team in the league.

The Cardinals went from blowing a 17-3 lead, to a 30 point win, to a 13 point outing at home vs Detroit

The Panthers went from looking like the worst team in the league, to a juggernaut offense w/ Andy Dalton

Tampa looked like a playoff team and lost by 3 scores to previously 0-2 Denver

Texans got destroyed by Vikings. Ravens destroyed Dallas after being 0-2. 

Evidence that this narrative of DET, GB and Minn being light years ahead of the Bears is nonsense.  Yes, currently, they're better, however, I don't believe there's a rule against the Bears cleaning up their act and improving.

Edited September 23, 2024 by gflore34

[UMFan83]

26 minutes ago, Wilson A2000 said:

I think Caleb is as good as you can expect at this point. The expectations were just too high to go 10-7 or whatever most people thought the Bears would go. When you have a bad line, no run game, and what looks to be a bad offensive coordinator, that’s not helping Caleb one bit. He is progressing each game, but he’s not the reason you are winning yet. Hopefully by midseason he is.

I don't think we were wrong to have expectations to go 10-7 (which is still entirely possible).  It's year 3 of Poles' gut job rebuild.  We were doing things like trading 4th round picks for veteran WRs on 1 year deals (though I'm sure part of that was to get a QB friendly WR to help Caleb).  There were other win now moves made.  I think Poles had 10-7ish expectations going into this year too, he just left some glaring holes on the OL and maybe made the wrong hire at OC>

There was always gonna be a ton of wiggle room with regards to expectations this year because it was all dependent on how quickly Caleb could acclimate to the NFL.  I'm not going to necessarily assign him blame for losing the last 2 games but he did not look particularly good last week and while much better this week we still left a lot of points on the table.  He has yet to lead an offense to 20 points in a game.  Not all on him, just saying that his learning curve is going to make a big difference on how the season goes.  Yesterday was a nice step forward...very interested to see how it translates next week. 

[Old Style]

54 minutes ago, 17 Seconds said:

maybe I'm out of touch

Same here which is why I asked. 

[raw]

58 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I don't think we were wrong to have expectations to go 10-7 (which is still entirely possible).  It's year 3 of Poles' gut job rebuild.  We were doing things like trading 4th round picks for veteran WRs on 1 year deals (though I'm sure part of that was to get a QB friendly WR to help Caleb).  There were other win now moves made.  I think Poles had 10-7ish expectations going into this year too, he just left some glaring holes on the OL and maybe made the wrong hire at OC>

There was always gonna be a ton of wiggle room with regards to expectations this year because it was all dependent on how quickly Caleb could acclimate to the NFL.  I'm not going to necessarily assign him blame for losing the last 2 games but he did not look particularly good last week and while much better this week we still left a lot of points on the table.  He has yet to lead an offense to 20 points in a game.  Not all on him, just saying that his learning curve is going to make a big difference on how the season goes.  Yesterday was a nice step forward...very interested to see how it translates next week. 

Hard to say he "left points on the table" when his OC called 4 run plays inside the 5. That's not Caleb leaving points on. Granted, there were other drives. He threw an INT that blew a potential FG. 

The step forward is really nice. That being said, its' called a learning "curve" because it goes up and down. He will lay other eggs. He will probably throw for a game or two again with over 270 and without the turnovers.

This is what should have been expected from Caleb. The issue is you also expect the run game to average 2 yards per carry. You expect the defense to be able to stop the run when they need to. You expect an OL with 4 of 5 returning starters to not all regress to a man.

[gflore34]

2 hours ago, raw said:

Hard to say he "left points on the table" when his OC called 4 run plays inside the 5. That's not Caleb leaving points on. Granted, there were other drives. He threw an INT that blew a potential FG. 

The step forward is really nice. That being said, its' called a learning "curve" because it goes up and down. He will lay other eggs. He will probably throw for a game or two again with over 270 and without the turnovers.

This is what should have been expected from Caleb. The issue is you also expect the run game to average 2 yards per carry. You expect the defense to be able to stop the run when they need to. You expect an OL with 4 of 5 returning starters to not all regress to a man.

Beyond all of this Eberflus' continued game mismanagement is the most egregious and unforgivable, there's middle and high school coaches who are doing a better job.  If I'm Poles I get Eberflus in a room and say - "dude get your horsefeathers horsefeathers together NOW!"

Edited September 23, 2024 by gflore34

[Sosa21MVP]

2 hours ago, raw said:

You know, they can still go 10-7 right? Last year's team got much better down the stretch. There's no reason a better roster can't get better with the excuse of learning a new offense and a new OC learning new personnel.

I will admit I am down pretty bad right now. The game yesterday sucked a lot of optimism out of me, maybe something about being at the game makes it all feel more visceral. 

It was the first full game I've watched this season. Week 1, I was at the Texans-Colts game and only caught highlights of the Bears-Titans game. Week 2, I was flying back from California and only got to catch the 4th quarter at a bar.

I get there is a learning and adjustment process in play, but I still cannot fathom how the Bears did not commit harder to the interior running game against a Colts defense that has sucked against the run in the first two games and with Buckner being out. The Colts fans around me were laughing at how much the Bears kept running to the outside. 

I'm not mad at all at Caleb, he is going through his learning process and honestly had no idea he had so many passing yards until seeing the box score after the game. The offense as a whole definitely had a more productive day compared to the first two weeks. 

In regards to Waldron learning new personnel, outside of Caleb the rest of the offense is comprised of NFL veterans. I would think he could have watched enough film to know the strength/weaknesses of the individual players by now.

Growing pains are understandable but the way things have unfolded, especially yesterday, is what has me concerned and quite frankly feeling like this coaching staff just isn't it. I'll be back for more punishment in Week 4, but man. I feel so bad today.

 

Edited September 23, 2024 by Sosa21MVP

[Wilson A2000]

Only 18 rookie QBs have ever won 10 or more games. 9 have done it in the 21st century. Stroud, with arguably the best rookie QB season ever, only won 9. Winning 10 with Caleb was always a stretch no matter how good the Bears surrounding cast is.

[NorthsideAvenger]

3 hours ago, Old Style said:

So you think that’s Caleb’s ceiling? Not as good as Josh Allen?

We don't know his ceiling right now. It's possible, Williams (and Stroud) could be as good as Allen.