Chicago Bears preseason

[UMFan83]

NFL is noticing

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Through three preseason quarters, Caleb Williams has attempted 20 passses and taken one sack.

Justin Fields had a worse ratio of attempts to sacks in 37 of his 38 career starts, and his career ratio is 7:1.

[UMFan83]

I’m on a delay but watching the 2nd half and Bagent looks really sharp. Good stuff

[WrigleyField 22]

35 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

NFL is noticing

 

Tua?

[UMFan83]

See, Velus still in the game in the final minutes. Feels like he’s fighting for a roster spot. He just botched a special teams play where the Bears backup punter kicked it perfectly and looked to be downed at the 1, but Velus came flying in to touch it and in doing so stepped on the goal line for a touchback 

[David]

 

we mustn't forget this throw too

[UMFan83]

2 minutes ago, David said:

 

we mustn't forget this throw too

That's a TD without the PI, damn

[UMFan83]

lol Bills vs Steelers with Trubisky and Fields playing the most for their expected teams and the game ended 9-3. Fitting. 
 

I haven’t seen the highlights but looks like a pretty Fieldsian game. 11-17 92 yards, a sack, 5 rushes, 42 yards and a fumble. Oh and this:

But this was very Caleb-like:

 

Edited August 18, 2024 by UMFan83

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

lol Bills vs Steelers with Trubisky and Fields playing the most for their expected teams and the game ended 9-3. Fitting. 
 

I haven’t seen the highlights but looks like a pretty Fieldsian game. 11-17 92 yards, a sack, 5 rushes, 42 yards and a fumble. Oh and this:

 

OK, that was better than I expected when I saw the headline, I assumed "missed" meant he just didn't throw it.

His inaccuracy gets overlooked for some of his other flaws. He misses a lot of throws.

[Derwood]

That throw is almost as bad as the vertically filmed recording of a TV set

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

OK, that was better than I expected when I saw the headline, I assumed "missed" meant he just didn't throw it.

His inaccuracy gets overlooked for some of his other flaws. He misses a lot of throws.

I edited my post and added another clip that was actually really damn good but your standard Fields scrambling and throwing on the run type of play

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Speaking of missed throws, that was the only thing I didn't love with Williams today. He had either 2 or 3.

FIrst pass he just overshot Allen.

Second pass they were trying set up a quick hit inside and it ended up in the receiver's feet, I'm not sure if that was intentional or not.  He might have not liked the look and killed it on purpose or he might have just missed.

And then there was one right before his big thrown to Odunze, where he had a guy and it looked like his foot slipped in the turf as he threw.

2 or 3 missed throws isn't as fun as last week when he missed zero.

[David]

51 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Speaking of missed throws, that was the only thing I didn't love with Williams today. He had either 2 or 3.

FIrst pass he just overshot Allen.

Second pass they were trying set up a quick hit inside and it ended up in the receiver's feet, I'm not sure if that was intentional or not.  He might have not liked the look and killed it on purpose or he might have just missed.

And then there was one right before his big thrown to Odunze, where he had a guy and it looked like his foot slipped in the turf as he threw.

2 or 3 missed throws isn't as fun as last week when he missed zero.

yeah he kind of stubbed his foot before he sailed the 3rd one you mentioned 

[Irrelevant Dude]

10 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

watching Jenkins wave to Caleb to follow him on that td run was pure happiness for me

That was awesome.

[David]

So some of the Fields stragglers keep pointing out some similar *looking* plays, to say Fields can do the same.

 

Somehow it's completely lost on them that we're talking about 6 or 7 plays in 40 snaps for Caleb vs. like 3 years worth of Fields games where they have 6 or 7 examples (throwing wise).

 

Besides, nobody ever said Fields couldn't make explosive spectacular plays.  It's all the other stuff that he's completely inept with that Caleb is already showing high-end proficiency with.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

33 minutes ago, David said:

So some of the Fields stragglers keep pointing out some similar *looking* plays, to say Fields can do the same.

 

Somehow it's completely lost on them that we're talking about 6 or 7 plays in 40 snaps for Caleb vs. like 3 years worth of Fields games where they have 6 or 7 examples (throwing wise).

 

Besides, nobody ever said Fields couldn't make explosive spectacular plays.  It's all the other stuff that he's completely inept with that Caleb is already showing high-end proficiency with.

I've seen them try, and the plays they choose show that they don't understand what they are looking for.  It's a lot more nuanced than "well they both ran a lot of ground while people tried to tackle them."

Fields is a fast and powerful runner.  There are a lot of plays where he uses that power and speed to take advantage of space the defense gives him and break off a huge run.

I've been trying to explain this to Bears fans for three years: fields is a pocket passer, not an out of pocket improvisor.  It's just that when a play breaks down and he takes off, as all pocket passers sometimes do, he's ungodly fast and strong.

That's not even a little bit the same as Williams' freakish in-pocket abilities.  His footwork is as good as it gets, allowing him to move in any direction instantly while maintaining an athletic base to throw off of, and he combines that with an unbelievable instinctive understanding of not just where the space is and where the pressure is, but where they are going to be.

Much like his off-platform throws, I think it's hard for everyone to appreciate how good his footwork in the pocket is because he makes it look so easy.  He's constantly making little adjustments to put him in the best spot, even as that spot is constantly changing.  On the touchdown scramble from the moment he hit the back step of his drop to the moment he exited the pocket, 3 seconds elapsed and he changed directions 6 times, all of them justified by the changing situation around him.

He also has an intuitive understanding of what's going to happen in the pocket before it happens. He's not just reading to open or closed space in front of him, he's reading blocks and shifts that about to happen and moving in anticipation of them

 

 

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[Tryptamine]

Pretty safe to say we don't see Caleb in the last preseason game?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think this is a pretty fair analysis:
 

Williams' decision making right now is like a C+.  It's really good for a rookie but it's not really good compared to the best QBs in the league, and that's going to be the standard for him.   He's showing an intuitive feel for reading defenses and timing, but there are times he's not quite on the same page as his receivers or he's been fooled by a disguised coverage.  He's almost *too* decisive, in that there's been a few times he could have let plays breathe and instead hit a quick short route, or got off a receiver a little too quickly.

One of his best traits is that his misreads are almost never disasters. He's not taking sacks and he's not throwing picks, and I think he can continue to not do those things in the regular season.

[UMFan83]

When Caleb Williams blows up I can’t wait to shove it in this smug POS’s face. This “scout” has been going off on Caleb since before the draft using disingenuous arguments to make him seem smart.  He really went crazy yesterday

Sorry for adding a ton of tweets, he’s just really got my blood boiling. This dude was a scout and he’s using completion percentage over a sample size of 20 throws (ignoring 2 awful drops), and perceive body language as his arguments?  Come the F on
 

[jersey cubs fan]

Why are you following this thing?

[gflore34]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

When Caleb Williams blows up I can’t wait to shove it in this smug POS’s face. This “scout” has been going off on Caleb since before the draft using disingenuous arguments to make him seem smart.  He really went crazy yesterday

Sorry for adding a ton of tweets, he’s just really got my blood boiling. This dude was a scout and he’s using completion percentage over a sample size of 20 throws (ignoring 2 awful drops), and perceive body language as his arguments?  Come the F on
 

Is this the clown, who without prior expierence as player, nor much else football related, became a scout for the Jets?  Who thought Tim Tebow would be amongst the QB GOAT's and Spencer Rattler was his QB1 for the 2024 draft?

 

[UMFan83]

6 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Why are you following this thing?

It keeps popping up in my feed!  If I didn’t keep seeing it I wouldn’t feel the need to get triggered by it.

i can’t wait for him to slink away after Caleb starts balling out. 

Edited August 18, 2024 by UMFan83

[UMFan83]

1 minute ago, gflore34 said:

Is this the clown, who without prior expierence as player, nor much else football related, became a scout for the Jets?  Who thought Tim Tebow would be amongst the QB GOAT's and Spencer Rattler was his QB1 for the 2024 draft?

 

That’s the one!  I know it’s just one moron I should just ignore but for whatever reason his moronic arguments about body language and completion percentage (after 20 throws) gets me riled up.  

[BigSlick]

I watched a video of all of Justin Fields’s plays in the Bills v Steelers game and the thing that jumped out to me more than anything is how Fields NEVER throws at the top of his drop. Seriously, I encourage you to watch it, I think there are 15 or so plays that go by before Fields hits the top of his drop and throws the football. It’s almost astonishing. Time and again he drops back, hops in place, and then scrambled for a throw or yardage. 
 

I didn’t really notice this proclivity until he was in another uniform and we couldn’t blame everything on poor protection/receivers