Giants (Webb) vs Cubs (Steele): 6/18/24, 7:05pm

[Tryptamine]

I swear to God PCA starts every at bat in an 0-2 or 1-2 hole

[mfcubs22]

Was Miller really not available yesterday?

 

Sunday- nothing

Saturday- 2 IP, 31 pitches

Friday- nothing

Thursday- 0.1 IP, 3 pitches

Wednesday- 1.1 IP, 16 pitches

Tuesday- nothing

Pretty sure he was available last night. If not, then it was a mistake to have him pitch the 9th on Saturday up 4 runs. 

[Tryptamine]

7 pitch inning, good god.

[squally1313]

2-0 cubs after 5 for anyone curious 

Edited June 19, 2024 by squally1313
Clarification

[chibears55]

8 hours ago, PackLandVA said:

 

I am not well-versed enough in most of these "new" stats, but I did look at these numbers in BS.  And as a team, the Cubs are second worst/unlucky in xBA and xSLG, and third worst in xwOBA. These numbers have to get better, right?

I think people look too much into these expectation numbers and bad luck ...

I mean sure  players can go through a rough stretch and everything he hits hard is right at someone or falls short of the fench,  and that happens to everyone here and there.

Cubs problem isn't just some bad luck stretches, these guys just aren't hitting good enough and haven't been for most of the season so far.

They have 7 batters hitting .210 or below, that not bad luck that just plain terrible.

The other 5, Hoerner Suzuki Bellinger Busch and Happ they just haven't been consistent enough,  they have their little streaks and then go cold for a long stretches.

Cubs aren't unlucky,  they just have most of their guys sucking and the rest just being inconsistent and not hitting good enough overall. 

 

 

 

[Irrelevant Dude]

Noooo, not Willie.

[Tryptamine]

Well this has been a ****** last few minutes

[ToolDRT]

Oh fudge 

[WhyCantWeWin]

Former Cubs great Casali doing damage

[squally1313]

2 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

I think people look too much into these expectation numbers and bad luck ...

I mean sure  players can go through a rough stretch and everything he hits hard is right at someone or falls short of the fench,  and that happens to everyone here and there.

Cubs problem isn't just some bad luck stretches, these guys just aren't hitting good enough and haven't been for most of the season so far.

They have 7 batters hitting .210 or below, that not bad luck that just plain terrible.

The other 5, Hoerner Suzuki Bellinger Busch and Happ they just haven't been consistent enough,  they have their little streaks and then go cold for a long stretches.

Cubs aren't unlucky,  they just have most of their guys sucking and the rest just being inconsistent and not hitting good enough overall. 

 

 

 

No one is saying this is some elite offense just rolling snake eyes for 7 weeks in a row. Speaking for myself here, this offense is mediocre/average, somewhere in the ballpark of 15-20 overall, and has been getting results for six weeks now that suggest that they are like the second worst offensive team in baseball. I’m certainly not expecting them to turn around and carry the team in the second half. But when you seemingly lose every game by 1, going from 28th to 20th matters. 

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Giants catcher would look good in a Cub uni 

[JHBulls]

5 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Noooo, not Willie.

Only yesterday. That final line hits hard. 
 

Baseball icon!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

4 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

I think people look too much into these expectation numbers and bad luck ...

I mean sure  players can go through a rough stretch and everything he hits hard is right at someone or falls short of the fench,  and that happens to everyone here and there.

Cubs problem isn't just some bad luck stretches, these guys just aren't hitting good enough and haven't been for most of the season so far.

They have 7 batters hitting .210 or below, that not bad luck that just plain terrible.

The other 5, Hoerner Suzuki Bellinger Busch and Happ they just haven't been consistent enough,  they have their little streaks and then go cold for a long stretches.

Cubs aren't unlucky,  they just have most of their guys sucking and the rest just being inconsistent and not hitting good enough overall. 

 

 

 

1. Please stop citing batting average like this, it's an unserious way to make the argument

2. Please familiarize yourself with how poorly the league is hitting, even using your silly criteria there are 135 players hitting .210 or below, the median team is going to have 5 of those guys.

[JHBulls]

The most Amaya base hit ever. 

[Tryptamine]

2 on and no outs. How will they botch this?

[Tryptamine]

Warning track power

[Crusader]

1 hour ago, squally1313 said:

He said with ‘more occasional slug’. Which is another way of saying, ‘I’m trying to disparage him, so he hits home runs but they don’t count for purposes of this argument’

2 hours ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

Hamilton reached AAA at 22 years old, got 550 PA and was 20% worse than average. Basically posted a 100 ISO across 2000 MiLB PA. 

 

Basically the same.

Kekw.

I understand you like a prospect, and hope that they will develop and be better at some point, or have a more fruitful career; however, when both of you talk about ISO, you might actually want to look at the numbers. Granted, Billy didn't really get MLB playing time until he was 23 vs PCA at 22 - BUT Billy Hamilton at 23 actually put up more ISO & SLG than PCA has put up. It's pretty fair comp at this point, if anything its unfair to Hamilton because he was better.

Edited June 19, 2024 by Crusader

[chibears55]

12 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

1. Please stop citing batting average like this, it's an unserious way to make the argument

2. Please familiarize yourself with how poorly the league is hitting, even using your silly criteria there are 135 players hitting .210 or below, the median team is going to have 5 of those guys.

There are only 4 positives you can do with every plate appearance.  Sacrifice, Walk, HBP, or get a hit and the only stats that shows how well they're doing that is BA, and OBP.

How hard they hit a ball, or expectations of a ball they hit, etc. are fun stats to look at but it not a true showing of how successful a hitter has been with getting actual hits and reaching base.

Edited June 19, 2024 by chibears55

[Derwood]

3 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

There only 4 positives you can do with every plate appearance.  Sacrifice, Walk, HBP, or get a hit and the only stats that shows how well they're doing that is BA, and OBP.

How hard they hit a ball, or expectations of a ball they hit, etc. are fun stats to look at but it not a true showing of how successful a hitter has been with getting actual hits and reaching base.

SLG doesn't exist in your world?

[squally1313]

2 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

There are only 4 positives you can do with every plate appearance.  Sacrifice, Walk, HBP, or get a hit and the only stats that shows how well they're doing that is BA, and OBP.

How hard they hit a ball, or expectations of a ball they hit, etc. are fun stats to look at but it not a true showing of how successful a hitter has been with getting actual hits and reaching base.

Well I think the other main point is that you’re looking backwards (what were the results of the at bats that have already happened), whereas TT, myself, and others are trying to make best guesses on what will happen on a go forward basis, and the ultimate box score results of the plate appearances aren’t the best predictor of future performance. 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

2 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

There are only 4 positives you can do with every plate appearance.  Sacrifice, Walk, HBP, or get a hit and the only stats that shows how well they're doing that is BA, and OBP.

How hard they hit a ball, or expectations of a ball they hit, etc. are fun stats to look at but it not a true showing of how successful a hitter has been with getting actual hits and reaching base.

Come on man, we don't have to re-live statistical arguments from 2005.  I'm not even talking about expected stats or batted ball stuff, I'm talking about how AVG probably isn't in the top 10 of outcomes stats that you would want to use for this purpose.

[Derwood]

That was the most PCA at-bat ever

[Tryptamine]

PCA in an 0-2 hole again. I've never seen anything like this.

[PeanutPunch33]

In case anybody was wondering, the Cubs have only scored 10+ runs twice all season long, and not since April 16th.  Without major changes, and quickly, this could be a historically bad offense.

[Derwood]

CC pulls Steele mid-inning, preventing him (AGAIN) from any chance for his first win of the season