In-Season Trades and Transactions

[Irrelevant Dude]

54 minutes ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

Plan is to be over the tax by the smallest amount so they can use it as an excuse not to spend big. Pay the smallest lux tax they can. 

You mean you don't like the world where Bellinger doesn't opt out, Neris hits his vesting option, and the Cubs were in the luxury tax this season, leading to an offseason with minimal financial flexibility?

[WhyCantWeWin]

17 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

You mean you don't like the world where Bellinger doesn't opt out, Neris hits his vesting option, and the Cubs were in the luxury tax this season, leading to an offseason with minimal financial flexibility?

Doesn’t Bellinger opting out increase the tax bill? If I remember correctly if he opts out he is given an additional 3 mil, if he opts in that gets deferred another year

[WhyCantWeWin]

 

[Tryptamine]

40 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

You mean you don't like the world where Bellinger doesn't opt out, Neris hits his vesting option, and the Cubs were in the luxury tax this season, leading to an offseason with minimal financial flexibility?

They should still have a fair bit of money to spend with all of Smyly, Kyle, Bote, Mancini, Barnhart, Gomes, etc all coming off the books. Just between Kyle and Smyly that's like 25M. If I remember right, even if Bellinger stays, if Neris is gone, they have like 40M.

[Outshined_One]

I have to wonder about the (perceived) lack of interest in Robert.  Is it their asking price?  Injury concerns?  Something else?

Also, I'd be all in favor of the Cubs trading for Crochet.  He sure as hell won't have to worry about pitching in the playoffs this season.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Getting under the luxury tax is only meaningful if you intend to be way over the tax in the third year, and even that is only means so much when you consider that it happens when payroll is over 240 million.

Scenario A

• Year 1: Under
• Year 2: 15 million over
• Year 3: 20 million over
• Total tax: 7 million, 2.3 million/year

Scenario B

• Year 1: 5 million over
• Year 2: 15 million over
• Year 3: 20 million over
• Total tax: 15.5 million, 5.1 million/year

Scenario C

• Year 1: 5 million over
• Year 2: 20 million over
• Year 3: 35 million over
• Total tax: 28.7 million, 9.6 million/year

[Tryptamine]

Surprisingly slow deadline day so far. I know we'll likely get the usual half dozen to dozen trades in the last 2 hours, but there have been none so far today that I'm aware of.

[Tryptamine]

21 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

I have to wonder about the (perceived) lack of interest in Robert.  Is it their asking price?  Injury concerns?  Something else?

Also, I'd be all in favor of the Cubs trading for Crochet.  He sure as hell won't have to worry about pitching in the playoffs this season.

There's a lot of risk. There's the well documented injury risk, there's his ever climbing K% and his defense seems to be in decline too. On top of that, the White Sox were rumored to be asking for a Soto like return. I don't blame teams for not wanting to empty the farm for a guy who is trending the wrong direction.

[731.4life]

20 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

I have to wonder about the (perceived) lack of interest in Robert.  Is it their asking price?  Injury concerns?  Something else?

 

I think the White Sox asking price doesn't meet the on-field performance from Robert. Luis should've been traded from this past offseason.

He is a free agent in 2028. But the issue is health. If he plays every game throughout the rest of the season, then he will be around 107-109 mark in games played. Which will only be the 2nd time in his 4 year (2020 doesn't count) MLB career he will pass the 100 games. Robert has a walk percentage of .009 (20/204 AB's). He has also struck out 82 times in his 204 at-bats so far this season, which is around 40%. I have a feeling that + health, scare teams away with the asking price. 

If I am Pittsburgh, I would trade for him, but they are the Pirates.

Crochet screwed the White Sox, too. I don't see him getting traded.

 

 

Edited July 30, 2024 by 731.4life

[Petrey10]

This talk of trading hoerner is baffling to me. I know we got options in the minors and I know his bat isn’t stellar. But losing him now just opens a hole where we really don’t have one right now. None of the other options are ready to go to today. I don’t see us getting a huge haul for Nico today or even in the future. Maybe I’m wrong but it just doesn’t make sense with Morel gone.

[Rcal10]

1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

That’s some seriously weird roster building if true. Classic Jed half measures 

That is just it. If they are over it is a major fuc up by Jed. It is not like they need an excuse not to go over next year. They can just not do it like they always do. But if they are over this year and then use it as an excuse that is just terrible mismanagement. I didn’t think they weee over, but some have suggested they were right at the limit. So if they were and added even a little that could put them over. And, again, that is inexcusable. 

[Tryptamine]

I am completely baffled at what is going through Getz's head

 

Quote

 

Some mechanics of the trade, per John Mozeliak: He said the #STLCards and #WhiteSox agreed right away on a Tommy Edman-for-Erick Fedde deal.

However, the Cards wanted Tommy Pham. And the #Dodgers wanted Edman. Incorporating the third team and prospects took additional time.

— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) July 29, 2024

 

 

[Bertz]

If the Cubs are over the luxury tax it's by like a few million at most. They'll save that when they gut the bullpen in a few hours, it's not worth stressing over.

[KCCub]

It's kind of shocking how quiet the Cubs can keep things from their end. Little to no leaks on a lot of their moves. No idea who all will be moved today. 

[JBears79]

I wont be surprised when the Cubs move no one and are over the LT so they can use that excuse to not spend money on Soto in the offseason

[Bertz]

2 minutes ago, KCCub said:

It's kind of shocking how quiet the Cubs can keep things from their end. Little to no leaks on a lot of their moves. No idea who all will be moved today. 

Completely arbitrary and made up odds based on rumors and vibes

Smyly - 95% chance of being moved

Leiter - 80% chance

Neris - 60% chance (would be a near lock like Smyly if not for his option)

Taillon, Merryweather, Bellinger or Tauchman - 25% chance

Anyone else - <10% chance

 

[Tryptamine]

You know what, screw it. Go and get Crochet. Getz doesn't seem to have a clue what he's doing and they want minor league bats. See if they'll take a package with Caissie and Triantos as the headliners.

 

Steele/Shota/Crochet/Taillon plus one of Wicks/Assad/Brown/Horton is a really strong rotation.

[Irrelevant Dude]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

Steele/Shota/Crochet/Taillon plus one of Wicks/Assad/Brown/Horton is a really strong rotation.

Can they hold the opponent to -1 runs.  If so, they can win a lot of games!

[Tryptamine]

8 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Can they hold the opponent to -1 runs.  If so, they can win a lot of games!

They'd still have 40M to spend on bats

[Irrelevant Dude]

2 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

They'd still have 40M to spend on bats

If they use it all on ONE bat, I'm all in.

[mfcubs22]

8 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

They'd still have 40M to spend on bats

Does that include Bellingers money?

[Tryptamine]

15 minutes ago, mfcubs22 said:

Does that include Bellingers money?

No. You'd have the following coming off the books

Bote- 5.5M

Smyly- 8.5M

Kyle- 16M

Neris- 9M

Gomes- 6M

Mancini- 7M

Barnhart- 2.5M

Obviously you wont get all of this with arb raises and adding Parades, but it should be around 40M.

 

Edited July 30, 2024 by Tryptamine

[LBiittner]

20 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

If they use it all on ONE bat, I'm all 

quietly whispering soto 

[Tryptamine]

8 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

quietly whispering soto 

He who shall not be named, Crochet and league average catcher. Now that would be a super exciting 2025 team.

[mfcubs22]

Just now, LBiittner said:

quietly whispering soto 

Gimme Soto or Vlad. Would obviously prefer Soto.