Gird Your Loi(o)ns - 11/19 noon on Fox

[BigSlick]

8 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

I feel like this is a game where Fields comes out in the first offensive drive with scripted plays and marches down the field for what seems like an easy TD, followed by the Lions slowly taking over on defense as the offensive play calls become more reactive, Fields starts making bad decisions by either not audibling out of Getsy's moronic plays and/or by failing to read disguised blitzes and coverage, and the Bears' defense gets worn down due to their inability to get off the field and the offense's inability to sustain long drives in the second half.

It'll be a team loss that does absolutely nothing to move anyone's needles regarding Fields because his defenders will have plenty of ammunition for the rest of the team and coaching staff being bad, and his detractors will also have plenty of ammunition regarding his bad decision making and slow passing mechanics.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

God damnit you're absolutely right

[minnesotacubsfan]

2 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

There's no likely about it, he's a tremendous douche who, despite talking constantly, offers almost nothing of any actual substance. I've still never heard anyone say, "you know that Collinsworth is a really good announcer". 

the one that had me scratching my head the other day was an article about how Troy Aikman was the best announcer...because he was honest. 70% of the time, when I listen to Aikman, I cant make sense of what hes trying to point out or he's way off topic while a play is happening. I truly believe he should have retired sooner...

Edited November 13, 2023 by minnesotacubsfan

[We Got The Whole 9]

It doesn't appear that Eberflus and co want to hand the keys back to Fields. He "looks good throwing the ball" but they "need to see him in 11/11 drills" feels pretty telling. Like they want to see what he learned watching Bagent.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

28 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

It doesn't appear that Eberflus and co want to hand the keys back to Fields. He "looks good throwing the ball" but they "need to see him in 11/11 drills" feels pretty telling. Like they want to see what he learned watching Bagent.

I think that's standard coach non-commitalism and he's starting if he's practicing.

[minnesotacubsfan]

37 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I think that's standard coach non-commitalism and he's starting if he's practicing.

ahhhh my friend, prepare thyself for another Bagent start. DUDEs 2-2!

 

these guys are about saving their jobs at this point, meaning they will go with the "hot hand" .... and they are meatheads

 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by minnesotacubsfan

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fun fact: in the two games in which Bagent started and the Bears won, Bagent had 0 INTs, 0 and 1 sacks. and 0 fumbles.

In 31 career starts, Justin Fields has never had a game where he met all three of those criteria (0 INTs, 1 or fewer sacks, 0 fumbles), and he only met two of the three 5 times.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Hairyducked Idiot

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Fun fact: in the two games in which Bagent started and the Bears won, Bagent had 0 INTs, 0 and 1 sacks. and 0 fumbles.

In 31 career starts, Justin Fields has never had a game where he met all three of those criteria (0 INTs, 1 or fewer sacks, 0 fumbles), and he only met two of the three 5 times.

What’s weird is that you used to be the guy who screamed about more offense, but now with Bagent you seem very Shoopish to me

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

What’s weird is that you used to be the guy who screamed about more offense, but now with Bagent you seem very Shoopish to me

I have zero desire to see Bagent take another snap for the Bears after this season unless he improves dramatically.

[jersey cubs fan]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I have zero desire to see Bagent take another snap for the Bears after this season unless he improves dramatically.

[BigbadB]

12 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Fun fact: in the two games in which Bagent started and the Bears won, Bagent had 0 INTs, 0 and 1 sacks. and 0 fumbles.

In 31 career starts, Justin Fields has never had a game where he met all three of those criteria (0 INTs, 1 or fewer sacks, 0 fumbles), and he only met two of the three 5 times.

To be fair, Bagent was playing with a fully healthy offensive line, something I'm not sure Fields has ever had in a single game in his entire career. With that said, I do expect Fields to show us what he can do with a completely healthy line, assuming that everyone on the line is still healthy after last week's game.

[BigbadB]

13 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I think that's standard coach non-commitalism and he's starting if he's practicing.

It's the ole, let's keep the Detroit Lion's DC guessing who to prepare for game.

[WrigleyField 22]

I 100% expect Fields to walk into unnecessary sacks.  This aspect of his game was one of the most basic criticisms/predictions even walking into the league.  Always figured a successful Fields if he hug was gonna be like a Russell Wilson type QB.

 

But Bagent is obviously not a better QB and even a Wilson-ian sack rates ain't changing that fact, even with any of Fields other issues tacked on.

[BigSlick]

Something broke inside me when I rewatched tape of the first play of the Bears-Vikings game. When I first saw it (I was at the game), I was absolutely furious at the play design and the offensive line play - on rewatch, its clear that it's Justin's fault and he absolutely should know there's a free rusher on his blindside and should either check out of the play or be prepared for that rusher. And somehow, like 30 games into his career, he messes up that bad. 

That play (and the rest of the game he played), was the straw on my camel's back. For whatever reason, I tipped from a 51% in favor of Fields, to a 51% in favor of moving on. 

I'm gonna remain as optimistic as I can about the next 7 games, but I'm not holding out too much faith. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by BigSlick

[Tryptamine]

10 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

Something broke inside me when I rewatched tape of the first play of the Bears-Vikings game. When I first saw it (I was at the game), I was absolutely furious at the play design and the offensive line play - on rewatch, its clear that it's Justin's fault and he absolutely should know there's a free rusher on his blindside and should either check out of the play or be prepared for that rusher. And somehow, like 30 games into his career, he fucks up that bad. 

So we'll see how the next 7 games go. 

I think this is pretty easily his worst trait right now. He is absolutely horrifically terrible at making pre snap reads and adjustments. 

[WrigleyField 22]

2 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

Something broke inside me when I rewatched tape of the first play of the Bears-Vikings game. When I first saw it (I was at the game), I was absolutely furious at the play design and the offensive line play - on rewatch, its clear that it's Justin's fault and he absolutely should know there's a free rusher on his blindside and should either check out of the play or be prepared for that rusher. And somehow, like 30 games into his career, he fucks up that bad. 

So we'll see how the next 7 games go. 

Yea, and to be clear there's a big difference into walking into sacks if it's poor pre snap readiness verse him being a guy who looks to extend pocket to make BTT. The latter was the worry but has an obvious payoff. If he's not executing basic line adjustments, there isn't any obvious payoff to the high sack living.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

50 minutes ago, BigSlick said:

Something broke inside me when I rewatched tape of the first play of the Bears-Vikings game. When I first saw it (I was at the game), I was absolutely furious at the play design and the offensive line play - on rewatch, its clear that it's Justin's fault and he absolutely should know there's a free rusher on his blindside and should either check out of the play or be prepared for that rusher. And somehow, like 30 games into his career, he messes up that bad. 

That play (and the rest of the game he played), was the straw on my camel's back. For whatever reason, I tipped from a 51% in favor of Fields, to a 51% in favor of moving on. 

I'm gonna remain as optimistic as I can about the next 7 games, but I'm not holding out too much faith. 

They do a great job torching that play in this video:

and there's another plan later that's even more egregious.  The play call is an option run left.  Simple concept: isolate the left edge defender and force him to commit to either the QB or RB, then keep/pitch to keep it away from him.

But when they get to the line, the Vikings have two linebackers looming outside the left edge.  Anyone remember tecmo bowl for nes where if the defense guesses your play, you get swarmed right off the snap? That's what is happening here.

Which is why checks exist. The playcall has a second play built in that should work against defenses that defeat the first play.

But nope, fields calmly runs the play straight into the teeth of the defense, pitches to his RB, RB eats a -5.  Fields' stats are not touched.

Fields is a career killer because he can't operate the offense and give people a chance to do their jobs. This is why every single coach and offensive player over the last 2.5 seasons has left town with a worse reputation than they arrived with.

 

 

 

 

 

[CubinNY]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

They do a great job torching that play in this video:

and there's another plan later that's even more egregious.  The play call is an option run left.  Simple concept: isolate the left edge defender and force him to commit to either the QB or RB, then keep/pitch to keep it away from him.

But when they get to the line, the Vikings have two linebackers looming outside the left edge.  Anyone remember tecmo bowl for nes where if the defense guesses your play, you get swarmed right off the snap? That's what is happening here.

Which is why checks exist. The playcall has a second play built in that should work against defenses that defeat the first play.

But nope, fields calmly runs the play straight into the teeth of the defense, pitches to his RB, RB eats a -5.  Fields' stats are not touched.

Fields is a career killer because he can't operate the offense and give people a chance to do their jobs. This is why every single coach and offensive player over the last 2.5 seasons has left town with a worse reputation than they arrived with.

 

 

 

 

 

Kyle does love him some snuff porn. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by CubinNY

[Rex Buckingham]

36 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

Kyle does love him some snuff porn. 

is that the OMC signal?

[jersey cubs fan]

3 hours ago, BigSlick said:

That play (and the rest of the game he played), was the straw on my camel's back. For whatever reason, I tipped from a 51% in favor of Fields, to a 51% in favor of moving on. 

I'm gonna remain as optimistic as I can about the next 7 games, but I'm not holding out too much faith. 

I empathize with the schizophrenic nature of your thoughts on fields. But just wanted to comment on your straw/camel and 51/49 - 49/51 fluctuation. I’d think a straw breaking the camels back would push you from 51/49 to 20/80 but I guess that broken back healed. 
 

I’ve gone from 100% for fields before during and after the draft to something like 80-20 during his first couple years, to something like 30-70 now. Poles intentionally sabotaged him and that made me grade on a curve but what’s done is mostly done. They pretty successfully broke him and there’s very little chance to come back from that brink. For a variety of reasons I still believe Fields needs to play every down he’s healthy enough to play. Theoretically he could come out of this a better player, and you might as well give it a chance.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It would be funny if the time off and seeing Bagent operate clicked something for fields 

[BigbadB]

15 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

I’ve gone from 100% for fields before during and after the draft to something like 80-20 during his first couple years, to something like 30-70 now. Poles intentionally sabotaged him and that made me grade on a curve but what’s done is mostly done. They pretty successfully broke him and there’s very little chance to come back from that brink.

Mine is very similar. At first, I wanted to believe everything that went wrong with a play was everyone's fault, except our shiny new toy QB. But, he clearly has sat in the pocket with open receivers in nearly every direction. I thought Mooney was forever broken, but Bagent, as bad as he is, has been able to make him a part of the offense. I feel like the coaching staff did break him in a lot of ways. I feel like the suspect OLine has hurt his confidence in the pocket. But, I can't put all of the blame on Getsy, Flus, Oline or anyone else anymore. I don't want to see him run in these last 7 games. I want to see him drop back in the pocket, progress through his reads, trust his Oline to protect him and hit open receivers downfield, and move the ball with ease. I want to see him recognize the defense and adjust and exploit the blitz. He has the weapons to move this offense with ease. The question is does he have the ability to be that guy to do that. I still want it. I want MHJ in the draft. I want to trade down to stock up even more talent with that #1 overall pick. I'll be so sad if we have to use a top draft pick on a QB.

[Tim]

That's funny, because I've gone from 100% fields to 80% who gives a horsefeathers.

[gflore34]

As stated earlier he's 100% paralyzed by the fear of doing something wrong.  If you put the above film in front of Fields I firmly believe he'd instantly recognize where the blitz is coming from.  And either check-down or, on the option, he'd fake the pitch, keep and go to the right.

Edited November 15, 2023 by gflore34

[We Got The Whole 9]

22 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

As stated earlier he's 100% paralyzed by the fear of doing something wrong.  If you put the above film in front of Fields I firmly believe he'd instantly recognize where the blitz is coming from.  And either check-down or, on the option, he'd fake the pitch, keep and go to the right.

I call BS. He is getting fooled by defenses and is slow to recover IMO. 

[gflore34]

1 minute ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

I call BS. He is getting fooled by defenses and is slow to recover IMO. 

If that's true then, he's as dumb as Mitch perhaps, more so, all you've got to do is count and it's not even to 10.  1,2,3,4,5 vs 1,2,3,4,5,6 how the horsefeathers is this soo puzzling?