2024 NFL Draft

[Tryptamine]

26 minutes ago, Outshined_One said:

It's kind of fascinating watching the CFP and bowl season play out from the QB2/QB3 perspective in the draft.  Maye and Daniels both *should* be the 2nd and 3rd QBs off the board, but with Penix and JJ taking the spotlight in their games, both have improved their stock and it can be easy to see teams falling in love with either because of their intangibles/leadership/winning when it matters.

I could see 5 QBs taken in the first round at the rate things are going.  That's always fun.

Most mocks I've seen have Maye/Williams in the top 3, Daniels in the 4-8 range and McCarthy in the 10-20 range. 2 months ago, Penix was always in the 20 range, but I've noticed him slideto the very late 1st and early 2nd a lot recently. Bo Nix is where I see the most variation. I've seen him around 15 and I've seen him mid 2nd round. 

[raw]

I think you could see all 6 of those guys (Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Penix, Nix) all go in the 1st round.

You have 9 teams (10 picks, w/ the Bears 2) in the top 14 that need a QB, at the very least, after 2024. That is including teams like the Jets (Rodgers 40) and Vikings (Cousins FA), but NOT including teams like NYG, Arizona, and Tennessee who probably won't take QBs but probably should consider.

But then you have playoff or contending teams that could grab a QB for competition for their iffy or aging guy (Detroit, Rams, Tampa, Pittsburgh). Then there's those teams that miss out in Round 1, potentially trading up into round 2 for a guy. So, I think it's definitely a chance we could get 6 Day 1 QBs

[Tryptamine]

8 minutes ago, raw said:

I think you could see all 6 of those guys (Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Penix, Nix) all go in the 1st round.

You have 9 teams (10 picks, w/ the Bears 2) in the top 14 that need a QB, at the very least, after 2024. That is including teams like the Jets (Rodgers 40) and Vikings (Cousins FA), but NOT including teams like NYG, Arizona, and Tennessee who probably won't take QBs but probably should consider.

But then you have playoff or contending teams that could grab a QB for competition for their iffy or aging guy (Detroit, Rams, Tampa, Pittsburgh). Then there's those teams that miss out in Round 1, potentially trading up into round 2 for a guy. So, I think it's definitely a chance we could get 6 Day 1 QBs

I think the Giants are taking a QB if any of Williams/Maye/Daniels are there. Apparently Daniel Jones has a clause in his contract that after year 2 of his deal, they can basically get rid of him with almost no impact.

[profisme]

5 hours ago, Brian707 said:

I think NE will be the team to trade with at #3. I don't think AZ will go QB.  Bears move down to #3, get #34 from NE and a 2025 first round pick. Maybe a 2025 3rd rounder too.

That would be a great trade IMO.  I think that MHJ at #3 and then DE, DT, or Bowers with whatever pick they Bears end up with would make me thrilled.  Cooper Beebe to replace Nate Davis and Van Pran to replace Patrick would be fantastic if possible.

That also doesn't include the possibility of NE conveying to the Bears a pick in the top 5 again next year due to Belichick maybe leaving and not having a talented roster.

Edited January 2, 2024 by profisme
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[bukie]

Pick 9 it is for the Bears.

[Tryptamine]

I'm indifferent between Williams and Maye, so I'd like to see them trade 1.1 to WSH and get 1.2 along with the 2nd the Bears originally gave up for Sweat(#40). Then Move Fields to Pittsburgh for a 2nd(#54) as well and hopefully go something like this.

1.2) Drake Maye

1.9) Rome Odunze (Malik Nabers is probably long gone and while Dallas Turner/Laiatu Latu/Jared Verse all make sense, the offensive talent is better than the defensive in this draft and the Bears desperately need a WR to pair with Moore)

2.40) Whichever of Kamren Kinchens/Tyler Nubin is available

2.54) Sedrick Van Pran (Maybe a bit early, but all the making of a dominant NFL Center)

 

 

 

[jersey cubs fan]

Why would pitt trade a 2 for Fields?

[Tryptamine]

13 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Why would pitt trade a 2 for Fields?

More or less the same reasons ATl would. They both have QBs who are just straight bad. Fields even in his current form is an upgrade over them and if they feel they can capture even of a portion of his upside, it's a significant upgrade for them. It's also the rumored going price for Fields a 2nd or 3rd.

[PackLandVA]

I don’t see a team giving up a 2 for Fields. He hasn’t been consistent enough, and he has only 1year remaining on his rookie contract. A team would be really rolling the dice IMO either trading a high Second for 1 year or giving an extension to an inconsistent unknown.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

More or less the same reasons ATl would. They both have QBs who are just straight bad. Fields even in his current form is an upgrade over them and if they feel they can capture even of a portion of his upside, it's a significant upgrade for them. It's also the rumored going price for Fields a 2nd or 3rd.

Fields is a lateral move for either of those teams.  He's statistically indistinguishable from either Picketts or Ridder.

It's going to be tough for Fields to find a guaranteed starting job next year.  He's probably (barely) one of the 32 best QBs in the league, but he's right at or below the imaginary Dalton Line, where if he's the best you can do, you'd rather just roll the dice with a rookie.

 

[Irrelevant Dude]

1 hour ago, PackLandVA said:

I don’t see a team giving up a 2 for Fields.

If Atlanta is interested in him, I think their 3rd and a flip of the 8/9 picks in the first round would do it.

[UMFan83]

1 hour ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Fields is a lateral move for either of those teams.  He's statistically indistinguishable from either Picketts or Ridder.

It's going to be tough for Fields to find a guaranteed starting job next year.  He's probably (barely) one of the 32 best QBs in the league, but he's right at or below the imaginary Dalton Line, where if he's the best you can do, you'd rather just roll the dice with a rookie.

 

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[scarey]

15 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

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[Tryptamine]

Starting to see Penix to ATL at #8 in a lot of drafts. Pretty crazy how much helium he has after that CFP semifinal.

[PackLandVA]

These draft projections are mostly meaningless until the combine and/or individual workouts.  There will be plenty of risers and fallers.  The big name schools with the big time players get most of the glory, but then relative unknowns start popping out at the combine.  Fun exercises, but mostly pointless.

[minnesotacubsfan]

4 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Starting to see Penix to ATL at #8 in a lot of drafts. Pretty crazy how much helium he has after that CFP semifinal.

tbf, if he beats Michigan....wellp up he will go

[We Got The Whole 9]

20 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

These draft projections are mostly meaningless until the combine and/or individual workouts.  There will be plenty of risers and fallers.  The big name schools with the big time players get most of the glory, but then relative unknowns start popping out at the combine.  Fun exercises, but mostly pointless.

Seriously

[PackLandVA]

Speculation about the Bears trading back from the #1 pick to #3 or #4 so they could grab MHJ. Any thought of them keeping the first pick and then trading up with AZ to the #4 spot for Harrison, Jr.? Give up next year's #1 (and maybe some other pick(s) and they get the two best players in this year's draft.

[minnesotacubsfan]

8 minutes ago, PackLandVA said:

Speculation about the Bears trading back from the #1 pick to #3 or #4 so they could grab MHJ. Any thought of them keeping the first pick and then trading up with AZ to the #4 spot for Harrison, Jr.? Give up next year's #1 (and maybe some other pick(s) and they get the two best players in this year's draft.

i dont think anyone believes MHJ is that much better than the next two wr's to make a move like that warrented

 

 

[PackLandVA]

Just now, minnesotacubsfan said:

i dont think anyone believes MHJ is that much better than the next two wr's to make a move like that warrented

 

 

So keep first overall and trade up for whichever of the three are preferred and available. Just seems like any commentary has been trading out of #1 instead of trading up from #9.

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 minute ago, PackLandVA said:

So keep first overall and trade up for whichever of the three are preferred and available. Just seems like any commentary has been trading out of #1 instead of trading up from #9.

there will likely be Odunzi or Nabers at #9, so why trade up? And if neither are still there, they would likely draft the best available T at #9.

[Irrelevant Dude]

7 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

there will likely be Odunzi or Nabers at #9, so why trade up? And if neither are still there, they would likely draft the best available T at #9.

Because presumably they like one better than the other, in which case I'm not opposed to making sure they get the specific guy they want and not whoever is left.

[Tryptamine]

10 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

there will likely be Odunzi or Nabers at #9, so why trade up? And if neither are still there, they would likely draft the best available T at #9.

Honestly even if Odunze or Nabers aren't there it's not the end of the world for WRs. There's a a decent chance that someone as talented as Brian Thomas Jr. slides to the early 2nd. They'd just have to find a way to get a pick in upper part of the 2nd round. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 wrs in the top 10 feels like a lot when we are probably also getting 3 QBs and 2 OTs in the top 10

 

Oh and a tight end 

Edited January 8, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[minnesotacubsfan]

6 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Because presumably they like one better than the other, in which case I'm not opposed to making sure they get the specific guy they want and not whoever is left.

sure, but is it worth giving up a future 1st for? Pace would have said yes, Poles seems like the opposite so far.