College Basketball 2022-2023

[UMFan83]

Basketball is a stupid sport for really stupid people.

 

That was probably the roughest Michigan basketball loss I've felt since the Elite 8 loss to UCLA. And of course the dude that Michigan admissions wouldn't let in is the one that beats them

[cwood218]

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis finishes his college career with 3664 total points, 3 shy of Pete Maravich's NCAA record, as Detroit loses in their conference tournament. Davis finished the game with 22 points, missing a 3 at the buzzer.

 

Still a chance according to this Link

 

"At 14-19 and without a conference title to their credit, the Titans are ineligible for the NIT and NCAA Tournament. However, Davis could still break Maravich's record if Detroit is invited to a postseason event such as the CBI or The Basketball Classic, which allows teams with records below .500 to compete."

[Irrelevant Dude]

Basketball is a stupid sport for really stupid people.

 

That was probably the roughest Michigan basketball loss I've felt since the Elite 8 loss to UCLA. And of course the dude that Michigan admissions wouldn't let in is the one that beats them

Eh. To be fair, if the refs had any idea what a goaltend is, the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime.

[UMFan83]

Basketball is a stupid sport for really stupid people.

 

That was probably the roughest Michigan basketball loss I've felt since the Elite 8 loss to UCLA. And of course the dude that Michigan admissions wouldn't let in is the one that beats them

Eh. To be fair, if the refs had any idea what a goaltend is, the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime.

 

There was some wonky stuff called on both sides, though none more blatant than that goaltend. I'm sure you can point to several " if that didn't happen then..." calls in a double OT game. The fact is Michigan had a 7 point lead with 1:49 left in a game they desperately needed to win and they lost. Sucks. I know most here are either Illinois fans or Michigan haters so I'll end my sob story there lol

[Sosa21MVP]

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis finishes his college career with 3664 total points, 3 shy of Pete Maravich's NCAA record, as Detroit loses in their conference tournament. Davis finished the game with 22 points, missing a 3 at the buzzer.

 

Still a chance according to this Link

 

"At 14-19 and without a conference title to their credit, the Titans are ineligible for the NIT and NCAA Tournament. However, Davis could still break Maravich's record if Detroit is invited to a postseason event such as the CBI or The Basketball Classic, which allows teams with records below .500 to compete."

 

Maravich set his record in 83 games over 3 seasons. Davis has played 143 games over 5 seasons. The idea of the record being broken because a bad team got invited to some 3rd rate tournament just for the sake of allowing the record to be broken would seem very unsatisfying to all involved.

 

But regardless, great career by Davis the son of legendary IU coach Mike Davis. :hello:

[Irrelevant Dude]

Basketball is a stupid sport for really stupid people.

 

That was probably the roughest Michigan basketball loss I've felt since the Elite 8 loss to UCLA. And of course the dude that Michigan admissions wouldn't let in is the one that beats them

Eh. To be fair, if the refs had any idea what a goaltend is, the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime.

 

There was some wonky stuff called on both sides, though none more blatant than that goaltend. I'm sure you can point to several " if that didn't happen then..." calls in a double OT game.

That is true, but the problem is it wasn't just one goaltend. There was the blatant basket interference not called on Dickinson, and then an incorrect goaltend called on Hawkins. Within a short period, that was a 4 point swing just on missed goaltending calls alone.

 

In general though, college officiating seems really bad. Refs anticipate or hunt for calls at certain times, them completely ignore them at other times. The charge on Shannon at the very beginning of the game was clearly not a charge, but that ref was just waiting to call it. Then later in the game there was a really weak moving screen called on Michigan that might have been a foul by the letter of the rules but isn't called 90% of the time. And don't get me started on the flop rule - That just needs to go entirely because it is nearly impossible to get right.

 

Yeah, they aren't going to get everything right, but they sure do get a lot wrong.

[soccer10k]

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis finishes his college career with 3664 total points, 3 shy of Pete Maravich's NCAA record, as Detroit loses in their conference tournament. Davis finished the game with 22 points, missing a 3 at the buzzer.

 

Still a chance according to this Link

 

"At 14-19 and without a conference title to their credit, the Titans are ineligible for the NIT and NCAA Tournament. However, Davis could still break Maravich's record if Detroit is invited to a postseason event such as the CBI or The Basketball Classic, which allows teams with records below .500 to compete."

 

Maravich set his record in 83 games over 3 seasons. Davis has played 143 games over 5 seasons. The idea of the record being broken because a bad team got invited to some 3rd rate tournament just for the sake of allowing the record to be broken would seem very unsatisfying to all involved.

 

But regardless, great career by Davis the son of legendary IU coach Mike Davis. :hello:

 

Agreed. If they were a top 3 seed in their conference it would be different. But they were 8th in the Horizon League. Sucks he came so close to the record without getting it but that's life.

[mul21]

Eh. To be fair, if the refs had any idea what a goaltend is, the game wouldn't have even made it to overtime.

 

There was some wonky stuff called on both sides, though none more blatant than that goaltend. I'm sure you can point to several " if that didn't happen then..." calls in a double OT game.

That is true, but the problem is it wasn't just one goaltend. There was the blatant basket interference not called on Dickinson, and then an incorrect goaltend called on Hawkins. Within a short period, that was a 4 point swing just on missed goaltending calls alone.

 

In general though, college officiating seems really bad. Refs anticipate or hunt for calls at certain times, them completely ignore them at other times. The charge on Shannon at the very beginning of the game was clearly not a charge, but that ref was just waiting to call it. Then later in the game there was a really weak moving screen called on Michigan that might have been a foul by the letter of the rules but isn't called 90% of the time. And don't get me started on the flop rule - That just needs to go entirely because it is nearly impossible to get right.

 

Yeah, they aren't going to get everything right, but they sure do get a lot wrong.

 

I hate that flop rule so much. It has led to soooooo much more contact in the post in particular because defensive guys are afraid to get called for a flop if they go down when a guy like Dickinson jabs an elbow in their chest. He finally got called for it late in the game last night and I thought Juwan Howard was going to cry when it happened, never mind that he had gotten away with a similar move at least a half dozen times before that and not been called.

 

I 100% agree on the poor officiating and I think it's definitely been worse this year than in recent history. I thought Illinois got the worst of it last night but they were certainly beneficiaries of some bad calls too. There were at least 2 pretty obvious out of bounds calls that went against UI when it should have been their ball on top of the 2 bad goal tend issues. I'm not sure what you do to make it better though. These guys are part timers who work across multiple conferences and don't have any real oversight in any organized fashion.

[stitchface]

" I know most here are either Illinois fans AND Michigan haters"

[Soul]

I know the Badgers are bad but it's terrible watching them blow close game after close game like this. Part of me wishes they'd just get blown out! But then again they aren't going to get better for the next season or two by doing that.

[UMFan83]

Detroit Mercy's Antoine Davis finishes his college career with 3664 total points, 3 shy of Pete Maravich's NCAA record, as Detroit loses in their conference tournament. Davis finished the game with 22 points, missing a 3 at the buzzer.

 

Still a chance according to this Link

 

"At 14-19 and without a conference title to their credit, the Titans are ineligible for the NIT and NCAA Tournament. However, Davis could still break Maravich's record if Detroit is invited to a postseason event such as the CBI or The Basketball Classic, which allows teams with records below .500 to compete."

 

Maravich set his record in 83 games over 3 seasons. Davis has played 143 games over 5 seasons. The idea of the record being broken because a bad team got invited to some 3rd rate tournament just for the sake of allowing the record to be broken would seem very unsatisfying to all involved.

 

But regardless, great career by Davis the son of legendary IU coach Mike Davis. :hello:

 

[champaignchris]

Well, the Illini are never boring.

[Derwood]

Penn State is 19-12 and has recent wins over Northwestern and Maryland.

 

Good enough for the tourney, or do they still need 1 or 2 wins in the B1G?

[Rex Buckingham]

Penn State is 19-12 and has recent wins over Northwestern and Maryland.

 

Good enough for the tourney, or do they still need 1 or 2 wins in the B1G?

 

Plus 2 dominant wins over tourney lock Illinois and I'm sure there's some other wins I don't recall. They should be in - if only because the overall field seems weak. Michigan going down again would likely help them as it's one less bubble team - but they're neck and neck with Indiana right now.

[UMFan83]

If you were asked to design the most excruciatingly painful way for Michigan to lose 2 games with their entire season on the line (and I’m sure many would jump at the chance), you wouldn’t have written a script as painful as what Michigan has just endured

 

No one is going to feel sorry for Michigan basketball after the past decade but man, this really horsefeathering hurts to be in the position Michigan was in the last 2 games and lose them both. Up 7 with 1:49 left against Illinois, up 12 midway through the 2nd half against Indiana. Had the ball in a tie game with the shot clock off 4 times in the last 2 games and couldn’t convert once. Winning either game probsbly puts them in the bracket, at least for now. Now they’ll have to win the big ten

 

Michigan is a NCAA tournament caliber team but fell apart too many times in crunch time, in many cases rather improbably.

[champaignchris]

If you were asked to design the most excruciatingly painful way for Michigan to lose 2 games with their entire season on the line (and I’m sure many would jump at the chance), you wouldn’t have written a script as painful as what Michigan has just endured

 

No one is going to feel sorry for Michigan basketball after the past decade but man, this really horsefeathering hurts to be in the position Michigan was in the last 2 games and lose them both. Up 7 with 1:49 left against Illinois, up 12 midway through the 2nd half against Indiana. Had the ball in a tie game with the shot clock off 4 times in the last 2 games and couldn’t convert once. Winning either game probsbly puts them in the bracket, at least for now. Now they’ll have to win the big ten

 

Michigan is a NCAA tournament caliber team but fell apart too many times in crunch time, in many cases rather improbably.

 

 

Would you trade Michigan’s end game collapses for Illinois’ seeming need to be punched in the face (almost literally) before they wake up and realize that there’s a game going on?

 

They turned the ball over in their first 4 possessions and allowed Purdue to score in their first 5 to go down 11 points three minutes into the game, had to play catch up the rest of the way and end up losing by 5.

 

I’m looking around the Internet to find Illinois’ first half vs second half point differentials. It’s got to be substantial.

[UMFan83]

If you were asked to design the most excruciatingly painful way for Michigan to lose 2 games with their entire season on the line (and I’m sure many would jump at the chance), you wouldn’t have written a script as painful as what Michigan has just endured

 

No one is going to feel sorry for Michigan basketball after the past decade but man, this really horsefeathering hurts to be in the position Michigan was in the last 2 games and lose them both. Up 7 with 1:49 left against Illinois, up 12 midway through the 2nd half against Indiana. Had the ball in a tie game with the shot clock off 4 times in the last 2 games and couldn’t convert once. Winning either game probsbly puts them in the bracket, at least for now. Now they’ll have to win the big ten

 

Michigan is a NCAA tournament caliber team but fell apart too many times in crunch time, in many cases rather improbably.

 

 

Would you trade Michigan’s end game collapses for Illinois’ seeming need to be punched in the face (almost literally) before they wake up and realize that there’s a game going on?

 

They turned the ball over in their first 4 possessions and allowed Purdue to score in their first 5 to go down 11 points three minutes into the game, had to play catch up the rest of the way and end up losing by 5.

 

I’m looking around the Internet to find Illinois’ first half vs second half point differentials. It’s got to be substantial.

 

Well Illinois is going to the NCAA tournament and because of the last 2 painful OT losses Michigan almost certainly isnt, so yes.

 

But I have noticed that a ton from Illinois. Gotta be frustrating.

[cwood218]

If you were asked to design the most excruciatingly painful way for Michigan to lose 2 games with their entire season on the line (and I’m sure many would jump at the chance), you wouldn’t have written a script as painful as what Michigan has just endured

 

No one is going to feel sorry for Michigan basketball after the past decade but man, this really horsefeathering hurts to be in the position Michigan was in the last 2 games and lose them both. Up 7 with 1:49 left against Illinois, up 12 midway through the 2nd half against Indiana. Had the ball in a tie game with the shot clock off 4 times in the last 2 games and couldn’t convert once. Winning either game probsbly puts them in the bracket, at least for now. Now they’ll have to win the big ten

 

Michigan is a NCAA tournament caliber team but fell apart too many times in crunch time, in many cases rather improbably.

 

 

Would you trade Michigan’s end game collapses for Illinois’ seeming need to be punched in the face (almost literally) before they wake up and realize that there’s a game going on?

 

They turned the ball over in their first 4 possessions and allowed Purdue to score in their first 5 to go down 11 points three minutes into the game, had to play catch up the rest of the way and end up losing by 5.

 

I’m looking around the Internet to find Illinois’ first half vs second half point differentials. It’s got to be substantial.

 

Well Illinois is going to the NCAA tournament and because of the last 2 painful OT losses Michigan almost certainly isnt, so yes.

 

But I have noticed that a ton from Illinois. Gotta be frustrating.

 

1st half

# 103 Home +6.6 [glow=red]Away -3.2[/glow]

 

2nd Half

# 11 Home +8.6 Away +2.1

[NewUserName]

If you were asked to design the most excruciatingly painful way for Michigan to lose 2 games with their entire season on the line (and I’m sure many would jump at the chance), you wouldn’t have written a script as painful as what Michigan has just endured

 

No one is going to feel sorry for Michigan basketball after the past decade but man, this really horsefeathering hurts to be in the position Michigan was in the last 2 games and lose them both. Up 7 with 1:49 left against Illinois, up 12 midway through the 2nd half against Indiana. Had the ball in a tie game with the shot clock off 4 times in the last 2 games and couldn’t convert once. Winning either game probsbly puts them in the bracket, at least for now. Now they’ll have to win the big ten

 

Michigan is a NCAA tournament caliber team but fell apart too many times in crunch time, in many cases rather improbably.

 

 

Would you trade Michigan’s end game collapses for Illinois’ seeming need to be punched in the face (almost literally) before they wake up and realize that there’s a game going on?

 

They turned the ball over in their first 4 possessions and allowed Purdue to score in their first 5 to go down 11 points three minutes into the game, had to play catch up the rest of the way and end up losing by 5.

 

I’m looking around the Internet to find Illinois’ first half vs second half point differentials. It’s got to be substantial.

 

Well Illinois is going to the NCAA tournament and because of the last 2 painful OT losses Michigan almost certainly isnt, so yes.

 

But I have noticed that a ton from Illinois. Gotta be frustrating.

 

Michigan's issue was not the last 2 games....it was what they did before February.

[UMFan83]

 

 

Would you trade Michigan’s end game collapses for Illinois’ seeming need to be punched in the face (almost literally) before they wake up and realize that there’s a game going on?

 

They turned the ball over in their first 4 possessions and allowed Purdue to score in their first 5 to go down 11 points three minutes into the game, had to play catch up the rest of the way and end up losing by 5.

 

I’m looking around the Internet to find Illinois’ first half vs second half point differentials. It’s got to be substantial.

 

Well Illinois is going to the NCAA tournament and because of the last 2 painful OT losses Michigan almost certainly isnt, so yes.

 

But I have noticed that a ton from Illinois. Gotta be frustrating.

 

Michigan's issue was not the last 2 games....it was what they did before February.

 

Obviously. The last 2 games were an extension of a season long problem. They have lost 6 games this year when they had an 80+% win probability in the second half. 5 of them were Q1 games, and the other was the resume anchor loss to Q4 CMU. Win one of those games and they are probably in the field right now by a hair.

 

12 of their 14 losses have been by 1-2 possessions or OT. Insane how this team repeatedly falls apart when it matters most. They have true Freshman and a sophomore playing 4 of the 5 most minutes on the team so in a sense I get it, but its still crazy.

[sneakypower]

If you were asked to design the most excruciatingly painful way for Michigan to lose 2 games with their entire season on the line (and I’m sure many would jump at the chance), you wouldn’t have written a script as painful as what Michigan has just endured

 

No one is going to feel sorry for Michigan basketball after the past decade but man, this really horsefeathering hurts to be in the position Michigan was in the last 2 games and lose them both. Up 7 with 1:49 left against Illinois, up 12 midway through the 2nd half against Indiana. Had the ball in a tie game with the shot clock off 4 times in the last 2 games and couldn’t convert once. Winning either game probsbly puts them in the bracket, at least for now. Now they’ll have to win the big ten

 

Michigan is a NCAA tournament caliber team but fell apart too many times in crunch time, in many cases rather improbably.

they've got a couple good players but really just sorely lack depth; there's nobody they really trust on either end aside from the big 4 and that makes it really hard to pull away in most games i think

[Rex Buckingham]

If you were asked to design the most excruciatingly painful way for Michigan to lose 2 games with their entire season on the line (and I’m sure many would jump at the chance), you wouldn’t have written a script as painful as what Michigan has just endured

 

No one is going to feel sorry for Michigan basketball after the past decade but man, this really horsefeathering hurts to be in the position Michigan was in the last 2 games and lose them both. Up 7 with 1:49 left against Illinois, up 12 midway through the 2nd half against Indiana. Had the ball in a tie game with the shot clock off 4 times in the last 2 games and couldn’t convert once. Winning either game probsbly puts them in the bracket, at least for now. Now they’ll have to win the big ten

 

Michigan is a NCAA tournament caliber team but fell apart too many times in crunch time, in many cases rather improbably.

they've got a couple good players but really just sorely lack depth; there's nobody they really trust on either end aside from the big 4 and that makes it really hard to pull away in most games i think

 

Terrence Williams just never developed it seems; Frankie Collins would help a lot on this year's team. Tarris Reed looks like he will be good, but this year UM is only going to go as far as those top 4 will carry them - and that's just not going to be enough most nights unless someone goes unconscious from deep.

[champaignchris]

 

 

Would you trade Michigan’s end game collapses for Illinois’ seeming need to be punched in the face (almost literally) before they wake up and realize that there’s a game going on?

 

They turned the ball over in their first 4 possessions and allowed Purdue to score in their first 5 to go down 11 points three minutes into the game, had to play catch up the rest of the way and end up losing by 5.

 

I’m looking around the Internet to find Illinois’ first half vs second half point differentials. It’s got to be substantial.

 

Well Illinois is going to the NCAA tournament and because of the last 2 painful OT losses Michigan almost certainly isnt, so yes.

 

But I have noticed that a ton from Illinois. Gotta be frustrating.

 

1st half

# 103 Home +6.6 [glow=red]Away -3.2[/glow]

 

2nd Half

# 11 Home +8.6 Away +2.1

 

Thanks for the links!

 

That was from before the Purdue game. It’s even more stark now.

 

It’s now -4.5 in the first half and +3.1 in the second half for away games. They have the #119 first half road differential and #8 second half.

[stitchface]

of course, Illinois gets arch-nemesis Penn State to open the tournament. I guess the good news is they avoid Purdue until the final if they somehow get there.

[UMFan83]

Michigan actually has a great draw for someone in their position. They get a Q1 game against Rutgers which will possibly be an elimination game for one of them. Then they get a chance to make a statement with a Q1-A game against Purdue. If they win that somehow, they could get MSU on Saturday. MSU 31 in NET right now, 1 spot away from being another Q1 win for Michigan, so they may be in a situation where regardless of result they walk out with a Q1 win. So win 2, lose 1 but gain 3 Q1 wins. Maybe still not enough for Michigan, but they'd at least be in the conversation on Sunday.

 

Why do I keep talking myself into having hope with this damn team?!!