Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[David]

I would have liked a higher 2nd round pick but getting Moore out of it along with (2) 1st rd picks is a solid return

 

now sign McGlinchy, Hargrave, draft BPA at 9 and let's get on with it. Maybe they can package their a 2nd round pick with one of their 4th rounds and move up

 

it's a lot more than solid

[David]

McGlinchey might somehow be a downgrade in our pass-blocking.

 

no he wouldn't be

[minnesotacubsfan]

I would have liked a higher 2nd round pick but getting Moore out of it along with (2) 1st rd picks is a solid return

 

now sign McGlinchy, Hargrave, draft BPA at 9 and let's get on with it. Maybe they can package their a 2nd round pick with one of their 4th rounds and move up

 

it's a lot more than solid

 

i may have set myself up for the "3 1st rd pick + multiple 2,3 rds) dream, but yea I get it. Moore has been productive

[Splendid Splinter]

I would have liked a higher 2nd round pick but getting Moore out of it along with (2) 1st rd picks is a solid return

 

now sign McGlinchy, Hargrave, draft BPA at 9 and let's get on with it. Maybe they can package their a 2nd round pick with one of their 4th rounds and move up

 

it's a lot more than solid

 

i may have set myself up for the "3 1st rd pick + multiple 2,3 rds) dream, but yea I get it. Moore has been productive

 

I think Poles values Moore at least a 2025 1st and possibly a 2024 3rd. I'm just assuming something along that line so if you were to add those picks instead of Moore, that's basically your dream package.

 

I would be curious to know if Panthers had an alternative package where it was just all picks or Burns was included instead of Moore that Poles could choose from. Or what another team was offering for the 1st.

[UMFan83]

I'm reading some takes that the Panthers are really enamored with Anthony Richardson. Crazy if they traded up to 1 to take a guy who was the consensus 4th QB 2 weeks ago.

 

I would love to see them do that. That should make those future picks more valuable.

 

I think regardless who they draft they are gonna have a hard time not giving the Bears a top 10 pick next year. The only thing saving them is that the entire NFC South could be absolutely terrible next year and they might accidentally win the division or at the very least have their win total inflated by a couple wins.

[raw]

On the surface, DJ Moore is not AJ Brown or Stefon Diggs who helped 3rd year QBs take a huge leap. But a deeper dive shows:

 

AJ Brown- 4.3 catches, 69.7 yards per game, two 1000 yard seasons in 3 years before trade

Stefon Diggs- 5.2 catches, 66 yards per game, two 1000 yard seasons in 5 years before trade

DJ Moore- 4.6 catches, 65 yards per game, three 1000 yards seasons in 5 years

 

You would know better than I, but I assume having late career Cam Newton, Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield didnt help his production too much.

 

Baker and Moore didn't mix well at all apparently. With Mayfield, Moore caught 25 of 48 targets (52%) for 245 yards and 1 TD

With Darnold and PJ Walker, he caught 38 of 70 targets (54%) for 643 yards and 6 TDs, while the catch percentage isn't much better, the depth of targets and YPC are a huge difference.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think Poles values Moore at least a 2025 1st and possibly a 2024 3rd. I'm just assuming something along that line so if you were to add those picks instead of Moore, that's basically your dream package.

 

the issue with that analogy is that players are rarely traded for 1st rd picks. That being said, I do think Poles liked Moore. He's 25, has 3 1000 yard seasons already. I can certainly see why Moore could tip the scales. its like 2.5 1st rd picks

[raw]

Moore makes this team extremely versatile. He can do a little of everything. The interesting thing is he's not much of a slot guy. He's never played more than like 15-18% of his snaps in the slot. He's also not a great separator vs man coverage like you would think. Decent separation, but not elite, tied for 87th in the league. Of course, he was tied with Stefon Diggs according to next gen stats.

 

But he runs all kinds of routes. Looking at his route charts on next gen stats as well, he can be used anywhere. Not much of a straight go route on the outside guy, but you can run him on crossers, slants, slot fades, screens, endarounds, in-breakers, out-breakers. I think you'll see Moore, Claypool and Mooney all moved around the formation between X, Z and slot and make it tough for teams to matchup against them.

 

Also interesting, the Bears value blocking from their WRs and Moore is pretty bad at blocking.

[Soul]

That right there is a good trade.

[ChiCubsFan]

I think Poles values Moore at least a 2025 1st and possibly a 2024 3rd. I'm just assuming something along that line so if you were to add those picks instead of Moore, that's basically your dream package.

 

the issue with that analogy is that players are rarely traded for 1st rd picks. That being said, I do think Poles liked Moore. He's 25, has 3 1000 yard seasons already. I can certainly see why Moore could tip the scales. its like 2.5 1st rd picks

 

Diggs, AJ Brown, Tyreek, Hollywood Brown, Watson, Stafford, Wilson, Jamal Adams, Buckner, Ramsay, Bradley Chubb, Minkah Fitzpatrick, OBJ all come to mind from recent years.

 

DJM is better than Hollywood and Hollywood fetched a first and a 4th. I think there were rumors that the Panthers wanted 2 firsts for DJM at the trade deadline.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

McGlinchey might somehow be a downgrade in our pass-blocking.

 

no he wouldn't be

 

I'm glad you're confident. Scouting reports, notes from 49ers fans and stats all seem to think he's a great run-blocker who is really, really bad in pass protection.

[David]

McGlinchey might somehow be a downgrade in our pass-blocking.

 

no he wouldn't be

 

I'm glad you're confident. Scouting reports, notes from 49ers fans and stats all seem to think he's a great run-blocker who is really, really bad in pass protection.

 

he's not really really bad in pass protection. but you do you.

 

"notes from 49ers fans" lmao

 

he's a great run blocker and he's an OK pass blocker. the guys we have are not OK pass blockers, PFF's evaluation of their pass blocking (while being protected by the playcaller eschewing passing in obvious passing situations to a comical extent) notwithstanding

[CubinNY]

I figured it would be Carolina. I don’t know enough to have an opinion about the compensation. I think a lot will depend on who they draft with the picks. It opens up a lot of possibilities in the draft and free agency signs.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

no he wouldn't be

 

I'm glad you're confident. Scouting reports, notes from 49ers fans and stats all seem to think he's a great run-blocker who is really, really bad in pass protection.

 

he's not really really bad in pass protection. but you do you.

 

"notes from 49ers fans" lmao

 

he's a great run blocker and he's an OK pass blocker. the guys we have are not OK pass blockers, PFF's evaluation of their pass blocking (while being protected by the playcaller eschewing passing in obvious passing situations to a comical extent) notwithstanding

I thought pff graded him in to 80's overall, higher in run blocking. Regardless, McGlinchy isn't the top available rt in FA because a bunch of SF fans think he sucks

 

He doesn't

[minnesotacubsfan]

I think Poles values Moore at least a 2025 1st and possibly a 2024 3rd. I'm just assuming something along that line so if you were to add those picks instead of Moore, that's basically your dream package.

 

the issue with that analogy is that players are rarely traded for 1st rd picks. That being said, I do think Poles liked Moore. He's 25, has 3 1000 yard seasons already. I can certainly see why Moore could tip the scales. its like 2.5 1st rd picks

 

Diggs, AJ Brown, Tyreek, Hollywood Brown, Watson, Stafford, Wilson, Jamal Adams, Buckner, Ramsay, Bradley Chubb, Minkah Fitzpatrick, OBJ all come to mind from recent years.

 

DJM is better than Hollywood and Hollywood fetched a first and a 4th. I think there were rumors that the Panthers wanted 2 firsts for DJM at the trade deadline.

2.68 1st rds

[raw]

I figured it would be Carolina. I don’t know enough to have an opinion about the compensation. I think a lot will depend on who they draft with the picks. It opens up a lot of possibilities in the draft and free agency signs.

 

Honestly, doesn't really matter who they draft with the picks. They got 4 top 64 picks and DJ Moore. That's 5 starters for essentially just Will Anderson. Even if a couple of those picks don't pan out, the Bears got 3 extra chances to find franchise building blocks. If only 50% of their first 2 round picks (counting the 64th this year because it's typically the last pick of the 2nd and makes it an even number) work out from 2023-25, then they'd still have 5 good players added over the next 2 years.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

I'm glad you're confident. Scouting reports, notes from 49ers fans and stats all seem to think he's a great run-blocker who is really, really bad in pass protection.

 

he's not really really bad in pass protection. but you do you.

 

"notes from 49ers fans" lmao

 

he's a great run blocker and he's an OK pass blocker. the guys we have are not OK pass blockers, PFF's evaluation of their pass blocking (while being protected by the playcaller eschewing passing in obvious passing situations to a comical extent) notwithstanding

I thought pff graded him in to 80's overall, higher in run blocking. Regardless, McGlinchy isn't the top available rt in FA because a bunch of SF fans think he sucks

 

He doesn't

 

I mean, if you're going to cite PFF grades, they have a *very* low opinion of his pass-blocking. 80s run blocking, 60s pass blocking, 71 overall in 2022. Personally, I think PFF grades are RNGs that don't matter, but as people like to say, "you do you"

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

he's not really really bad in pass protection. but you do you.

 

"notes from 49ers fans" lmao

 

he's a great run blocker and he's an OK pass blocker. the guys we have are not OK pass blockers, PFF's evaluation of their pass blocking (while being protected by the playcaller eschewing passing in obvious passing situations to a comical extent) notwithstanding

I thought pff graded him in to 80's overall, higher in run blocking. Regardless, McGlinchy isn't the top available rt in FA because a bunch of SF fans think he sucks

 

He doesn't

 

I mean, if you're going to cite PFF grades, they have a *very* low opinion of his pass-blocking. 80s run blocking, 60s pass blocking, 71 overall in 2022. Personally, I think PFF grades are RNGs that don't matter, but as people like to say, "you do you"

 

i don't have a PFF membership, so I have to trust you on the 60s pass blocking. but I will say that at least it's not Larry Borom bad, his overall was in the 60's.

 

McGlinchy would be an upgrade and likely cheaper than Brown. I think either tackle you would want to couple with a draft pick, likey in the 2nd rd

[WrigleyField 22]

I thought pff graded him in to 80's overall, higher in run blocking. Regardless, McGlinchy isn't the top available rt in FA because a bunch of SF fans think he sucks

 

He doesn't

 

I mean, if you're going to cite PFF grades, they have a *very* low opinion of his pass-blocking. 80s run blocking, 60s pass blocking, 71 overall in 2022. Personally, I think PFF grades are RNGs that don't matter, but as people like to say, "you do you"

 

i don't have a PFF membership, so I have to trust you on the 60s pass blocking. but I will say that at least it's not Larry Borom bad, his overall was in the 60's.

 

McGlinchy would be an upgrade and likely cheaper than Brown. I think either tackle you would want to couple with a draft pick, likey in the 2nd rd

I'll pull up some more detailed metrics later from PFF.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I evaluate all Bears and Cubs transactions by the reaction of a close friend of mine. Upon hearing this news, he texted me saying he hated it and thought they got fleeced. So congrats to Bears fans everywhere for the fantastic deal.

[UMFan83]

Re: Moore and value

 

[Andy]

Re: Moore and value

 

This jives with what I read as well - Moore being the cost for not giving up another 1st.

[Andy]

Nobody asked, but it horsefeathering hurts giving up DJ Moore, who is a great player no one knows because he's been in a horrific situation his entire career. You're going to love him.

 

The report from The Athletic said league sources believe this move up is for CJ Stroud, which is good with me. I'm still a bit enamored with Bryce Young, but I can't complain if it's Stroud, who impressed me in the 2 games I watched most closely (Notre Dame and Georgia). I will be extremely pissed if it's anyone else.

 

Carolina probably gave up too much in this trade but anyone who gets the #1 pick but doesn't want a QB is going to get a bonanza in today's NFL, so there you are. The Panthers absolutely must take a WR at 40 unless they have a big FA signing at WR up their sleeves, and probably even then. For my sake I hope this works out better than the last time Tepper went all in on someone he liked (rhymes with Bat Pool).

[jersey cubs fan]

Nobody asked, but it horsefeathering hurts giving up DJ Moore, who is a great player no one knows because he's been in a horrific situation his entire career. You're going to love him.

 

The report from The Athletic said league sources believe this move up is for CJ Stroud, which is good with me. I'm still a bit enamored with Bryce Young, but I can't complain if it's Stroud, who impressed me in the 2 games I watched most closely (Notre Dame and Georgia). I will be extremely pissed if it's anyone else.

 

Carolina probably gave up too much in this trade but anyone who gets the #1 pick but doesn't want a QB is going to get a bonanza in today's NFL, so there you are. The Panthers absolutely must take a WR at 40 unless they have a big FA signing at WR up their sleeves, and probably even then. For my sake I hope this works out better than the last time Tepper went all in on someone he liked (rhymes with Bat Pool).

Everybody knows DJ Moore.

 

The best part about this trade is that none of these QBs are worthy top 10 picks but they will be because of the position they play and that’s great for a team picking 9.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Re: Moore and value

 

 

poles: (2) 1st rds AND DJ Moore

 

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