Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[Soul]

LOL.

 

Did we just find ourselves a GM?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So if I'm reading this right, for this year we have

 

1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 7th, 7th

 

I don't hate it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

LOL.

 

Did we just find ourselves a GM?

 

He did well with this transaction. I like that he chose to rebuild immediately and cleared out a lot of veterans.

 

But ultimately, what matters is how well he chooses players, not how well he accumulates picks. It's too early to tell. I thought his first draft was underwhelming but understandable, give or take a gadget player in the third. I'm willing to write off his first free agency as tank-mode-doesn't-count.

 

He's given himself one heckuva pile of assets, now let's see if he can actually build something out of them.

[David]

[UK]

It's great to see the Bears maximize the value of a #1 pick without there being a true 1/1 standout.

 

It takes the Bears from being by far the worst in league at WR to middle of the pack.

 

In this spot, the best BPA will still be a position of need..

 

(I'm assuming Carter goes top 7) The most likely BPA will be B. Robinson. I know RBs don't have the same draft value given their attrition but he would give this offense another dimension. A great HB to already go with what Moore will provide as well as a progressing Fields would take so much stress off of Justin.

[WrigleyField 22]

Some deeper PFF metrics. Grain of salt, always. For some guys (Brown) they are very consistent year over year. Other guys (McGary) are coming off career years. This is only 2022 Grades

 

Name - PFF Overall Grade - PFF Run Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Efficency (basically sacks/hurries/pressures/hits over snaps) - PFF True Pass Set Efficiency (same as other except only True Pass sets - Age - RAS Score (no Brown's isn't a typo)

 

Player	    OVR	RBLK	PBLK	PB EFF	TPS EFF	AGE	RAS
McGlinchey	71.5	73.3	65.5	96.9	   94.7	28.5	n/a
McGary	    86.6	91.6	66.9	97.4	   94.7	28.0	9.77
Taylor	    58.7	76.4	39.7	98.4	   96.9	25.2	n/a
Brown	     75.8	69.1	77.2	96.5	   94.5	26.8	0.70
Jones	     75.4	79.4	70.5	95.4	   90.5	23.9	8.42
Reiff	     64.3	59.1	67.0	96.1	   92.9   34.2	5.60
Borom	     64.7	62.1	69.9	96.2	   93.0	23.9	7.33

I was also curious, even though he hasn't gotten OT snaps - to Run Jenkins RAS score as a OT. 9.71. I'm still not convinced he couldn't have made it a OT. Compares very favorably to McGary athletically

[David]

DJ would already be our all time leader in receiving yards at age 25 lol

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Some deeper PFF metrics. Grain of salt, always. For some guys (Brown) they are very consistent year over year. Other guys (McGary) are coming off career years. This is only 2022 Grades

 

Name - PFF Overall Grade - PFF Run Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Efficency (basically sacks/hurries/pressures/hits over snaps) - PFF True Pass Set Efficiency (same as other except only True Pass sets - Age - RAS Score (no Brown's isn't a typo)

 

Player	    OVR	RBLK	PBLK	PB EFF	TPS EFF	AGE	RAS
McGlinchey	71.5	73.3	65.5	96.9	   94.7	28.5	n/a
McGary	    86.6	91.6	66.9	97.4	   94.7	28.0	9.77
Taylor	    58.7	76.4	39.7	98.4	   96.9	25.2	n/a
Brown	     75.8	69.1	77.2	96.5	   94.5	26.8	0.70
Jones	     75.4	79.4	70.5	95.4	   90.5	23.9	8.42
Reiff	     64.3	59.1	67.0	96.1	   92.9   34.2	5.60
Borom	     64.7	62.1	69.9	96.2	   93.0	23.9	7.33

I was also curious, even though he hasn't gotten OT snaps - to Run Jenkins RAS score as a OT. 9.71. I'm still not convinced he couldn't have made it a OT. Compares very favorably to McGary athletically

 

So McGlinchey has a lower pass blocking grade than reiff or borom.

 

No idea if it's true or not because PFF grades, but it's not out of pocket crazy

[raw]

 

This is good. I was kind of iffy on his average separation numbers. And a couple sites I found had him with a mediocre win rate vs man coverage but had him being elite vs zone coverage.

 

I think Moore is a #1 WR, but honestly, he's kind of a lower end one at this point. But to be fair, so were Diggs and AJ Brown before their trades. I know their QBs weren't studs when they got to their new teams, but stability and talent level of the QBs also allowed them to take the next step from 1100 yard WRs to 1400 yard guys. It remains to be seen if Moore can take that next step that Amari Cooper (on that list above) has never been able to take. He's definitely young enough to do so, it's now about building chemistry with Justin Fields.

[WrigleyField 22]

Some deeper PFF metrics. Grain of salt, always. For some guys (Brown) they are very consistent year over year. Other guys (McGary) are coming off career years. This is only 2022 Grades

 

Name - PFF Overall Grade - PFF Run Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Efficency (basically sacks/hurries/pressures/hits over snaps) - PFF True Pass Set Efficiency (same as other except only True Pass sets - Age - RAS Score (no Brown's isn't a typo)

 

Player	    OVR	RBLK	PBLK	PB EFF	TPS EFF	AGE	RAS
McGlinchey	71.5	73.3	65.5	96.9	   94.7	28.5	n/a
McGary	    86.6	91.6	66.9	97.4	   94.7	28.0	9.77
Taylor	    58.7	76.4	39.7	98.4	   96.9	25.2	n/a
Brown	     75.8	69.1	77.2	96.5	   94.5	26.8	0.70
Jones	     75.4	79.4	70.5	95.4	   90.5	23.9	8.42
Reiff	     64.3	59.1	67.0	96.1	   92.9   34.2	5.60
Borom	     64.7	62.1	69.9	96.2	   93.0	23.9	7.33

I was also curious, even though he hasn't gotten OT snaps - to Run Jenkins RAS score as a OT. 9.71. I'm still not convinced he couldn't have made it a OT. Compares very favorably to McGary athletically

 

So McGlinchey has a lower pass blocking grade than reiff or borom.

 

No idea if it's true or not because PFF grades, but it's not out of pocket crazy

Overall pretty close grades, but slightly better efficiency and less of a drop off in true pass sets (a common theme accross the board for the Bears). McGlinchey in his career also has much higher end overall grades (prior years) and Reiff probably won't find the fountain of youth.

 

Anyways I think the initial claim was he'd make pass bock worse, off I guess fan scouting reports.

 

I think the more pro scouting opinion is definitely that he is a much better run blocker and struggled with area of pass pro. Brown or Taylor really are the only guys who are known more as pass pro guys. And PFF gave Taylor the most negatively graded run plays in the league. And Brown... Opinions vary greatly on him as to whether he is really worthy of a likely best in the game OT contract.

[raw]

Nobody asked, but it horsefeathering hurts giving up DJ Moore, who is a great player no one knows because he's been in a horrific situation his entire career. You're going to love him.

 

The report from The Athletic said league sources believe this move up is for CJ Stroud, which is good with me. I'm still a bit enamored with Bryce Young, but I can't complain if it's Stroud, who impressed me in the 2 games I watched most closely (Notre Dame and Georgia). I will be extremely pissed if it's anyone else.

 

Carolina probably gave up too much in this trade but anyone who gets the #1 pick but doesn't want a QB is going to get a bonanza in today's NFL, so there you are. The Panthers absolutely must take a WR at 40 unless they have a big FA signing at WR up their sleeves, and probably even then. For my sake I hope this works out better than the last time Tepper went all in on someone he liked (rhymes with Bat Pool).

 

So, I think I kind of like Stroud better than Young. I think he needs a couple years, but also needs good blocking and weapons. But I also believe he's more versatile and is a guy you don't have to tailor your scheme around to maximize his strengths. I do like Young a lot as well and think he's going to be the better QB in the short term. But I think you do have to tailor to his strengths (and create lanes for him to throw w/ lack of height), but you have the right guy to do it in Reich.

 

But I'd also feel much better if you guys take Stroud. Stroud will be compared to Fields for obvious reasons, but we've seen Fields come from the same school, same offense and struggle early in his career with a mediocre then very bad OL and without enough receiving weapons. While I think the Panthers OL is solid enough, without Moore their receiving weapons are 2022 Bears level on paper. I feel like Stroud would struggle with their weapons more than Young and a 2024 1st round pick that I thought for sure would be in the 20s a couple days ago, I would feel like could potentially be in the top 12 with giving up Moore and the Saints now having Carr.

[Tim]

Some deeper PFF metrics. Grain of salt, always. For some guys (Brown) they are very consistent year over year. Other guys (McGary) are coming off career years. This is only 2022 Grades

 

Name - PFF Overall Grade - PFF Run Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Efficency (basically sacks/hurries/pressures/hits over snaps) - PFF True Pass Set Efficiency (same as other except only True Pass sets - Age - RAS Score (no Brown's isn't a typo)

 

Player	    OVR	RBLK	PBLK	PB EFF	TPS EFF	AGE	RAS
McGlinchey	71.5	73.3	65.5	96.9	   94.7	28.5	n/a
McGary	    86.6	91.6	66.9	97.4	   94.7	28.0	9.77
Taylor	    58.7	76.4	39.7	98.4	   96.9	25.2	n/a
Brown	     75.8	69.1	77.2	96.5	   94.5	26.8	0.70
Jones	     75.4	79.4	70.5	95.4	   90.5	23.9	8.42
Reiff	     64.3	59.1	67.0	96.1	   92.9   34.2	5.60
Borom	     64.7	62.1	69.9	96.2	   93.0	23.9	7.33

I was also curious, even though he hasn't gotten OT snaps - to Run Jenkins RAS score as a OT. 9.71. I'm still not convinced he couldn't have made it a OT. Compares very favorably to McGary athletically

Just taking those rankings into account, am I crazy to like Jones? Well rounded and young. How much should we buy into McGary's career year as something he should carry forward?

[raw]

Some deeper PFF metrics. Grain of salt, always. For some guys (Brown) they are very consistent year over year. Other guys (McGary) are coming off career years. This is only 2022 Grades

 

Name - PFF Overall Grade - PFF Run Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Efficency (basically sacks/hurries/pressures/hits over snaps) - PFF True Pass Set Efficiency (same as other except only True Pass sets - Age - RAS Score (no Brown's isn't a typo)

 

Player	    OVR	RBLK	PBLK	PB EFF	TPS EFF	AGE	RAS
McGlinchey	71.5	73.3	65.5	96.9	   94.7	28.5	n/a
McGary	    86.6	91.6	66.9	97.4	   94.7	28.0	9.77
Taylor	    58.7	76.4	39.7	98.4	   96.9	25.2	n/a
Brown	     75.8	69.1	77.2	96.5	   94.5	26.8	0.70
Jones	     75.4	79.4	70.5	95.4	   90.5	23.9	8.42
Reiff	     64.3	59.1	67.0	96.1	   92.9   34.2	5.60
Borom	     64.7	62.1	69.9	96.2	   93.0	23.9	7.33

I was also curious, even though he hasn't gotten OT snaps - to Run Jenkins RAS score as a OT. 9.71. I'm still not convinced he couldn't have made it a OT. Compares very favorably to McGary athletically

Just taking those rankings into account, am I crazy to like Jones? Well rounded and young. How much should we buy into McGary's career year as something he should carry forward?

 

Yeah, I'm iffy on if McGary can carry that forward. He's not a young guy coming into his prime (28). He was not a raw talent from a small school coming out of the draft who should have taken a while to get his footing. He played at Power 5 Washington and started 47 collegiate games. His career year came in a contract year, which obviously happens a bit. But more concerning is that the Falcons did probably more to help their passing game than the Bears did this year. I watched every Falcons game from Week 3 on, since my nephew plays there, and they ran far more RPOs than the Bears, along with having a ton of moving pockets with Mariota. They also help TEs in to pass block a bunch, which is why Kyle Pitts didn't have great numbers when he was healthy. And they had the 2nd fewest passing attempts in the league to the Bears.

 

Not that the Bears are all of a sudden going to open it up and throw the ball 45 times a game, but I have very big concerns McGary can hold up if they did.

[Derwood]

Today's mock drafts are all over the place on the Bears. I've seen five or six different players in the first seven mocks I checked out

[Bertz]

It's great to see the Bears maximize the value of a #1 pick without there being a true 1/1 standout.

 

It takes the Bears from being by far the worst in league at WR to middle of the pack.

 

In this spot, the best BPA will still be a position of need..

 

(I'm assuming Carter goes top 7) The most likely BPA will be B. Robinson. I know RBs don't have the same draft value given their attrition but he would give this offense another dimension. A great HB to already go with what Moore will provide as well as a progressing Fields would take so much stress off of Justin.

 

Yeah I think if Tyree Wilson is gone by 9 (more likely than not, but not definite?) this is the way I'd go. Let's make the offense around Justin just absolutely absurd.

[WrigleyField 22]

Some deeper PFF metrics. Grain of salt, always. For some guys (Brown) they are very consistent year over year. Other guys (McGary) are coming off career years. This is only 2022 Grades

 

Name - PFF Overall Grade - PFF Run Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Grade - PFF Pass Block Efficency (basically sacks/hurries/pressures/hits over snaps) - PFF True Pass Set Efficiency (same as other except only True Pass sets - Age - RAS Score (no Brown's isn't a typo)

 

Player	    OVR	RBLK	PBLK	PB EFF	TPS EFF	AGE	RAS
McGlinchey	71.5	73.3	65.5	96.9	   94.7	28.5	n/a
McGary	    86.6	91.6	66.9	97.4	   94.7	28.0	9.77
Taylor	    58.7	76.4	39.7	98.4	   96.9	25.2	n/a
Brown	     75.8	69.1	77.2	96.5	   94.5	26.8	0.70
Jones	     75.4	79.4	70.5	95.4	   90.5	23.9	8.42
Reiff	     64.3	59.1	67.0	96.1	   92.9   34.2	5.60
Borom	     64.7	62.1	69.9	96.2	   93.0	23.9	7.33

I was also curious, even though he hasn't gotten OT snaps - to Run Jenkins RAS score as a OT. 9.71. I'm still not convinced he couldn't have made it a OT. Compares very favorably to McGary athletically

Just taking those rankings into account, am I crazy to like Jones? Well rounded and young. How much should we buy into McGary's career year as something he should carry forward?

Re: Jones his numbers really fall off in true pass set. The tape watchers and even casual fans will all say the bull rush is a real problem.

 

But he was a guy most expected to totally redshirt as a rookie, so he beat expectations already. There's reason for optimism for sure. I'd like them to attack RT hard, but I wouldn't turn down a BPA LT at 9, and boot him to swing or even try him inside.

[David]

PFF is a random number generator - to steal Kyle's line - as it is, but with the Bears extremely unorthodox absurdly run heavy play calling, I put less than zero stock in their decent pass blocking grades. Not usually that guy but it's obvious to anybody who watched that it's wildly wrong. Plus it's football and the metrics, esp for line play, are wonky as horsefeathers.

[WrigleyField 22]

Today's mock drafts are all over the place on the Bears. I've seen five or six different players in the first seven mocks I checked out

I mean, yea, further down you go, the more variability there is.

 

Good thing is the FA plan is pretty simple. 5-6 OL and DL including two studs hopefully. Perhaps some median level FA at LB or CB. Figure out RB maybe (Montgomery or tier 3 guy who covers Herbert's holes).

 

Then they can do whatever they want at 9 and should feel zero pressure.

 

Having 3 pro quality WR including a borderline #1, and ESB in an appropriate 4 or 5 WR role is huge.

[raw]

It's great to see the Bears maximize the value of a #1 pick without there being a true 1/1 standout.

 

It takes the Bears from being by far the worst in league at WR to middle of the pack.

 

In this spot, the best BPA will still be a position of need..

 

(I'm assuming Carter goes top 7) The most likely BPA will be B. Robinson. I know RBs don't have the same draft value given their attrition but he would give this offense another dimension. A great HB to already go with what Moore will provide as well as a progressing Fields would take so much stress off of Justin.

 

Yeah I think if Tyree Wilson is gone by 9 (more likely than not, but not definite?) this is the way I'd go. Let's make the offense around Justin just absolutely absurd.

 

I love Bijan. I think he's a top 3 non QB in this draft. He'll be the BPA from like 6 on. That being said, Khalil Herbert is really good. Better than a lot of people realize. As Bears fans, we focus on what he can't do. But what he can do is run the ball in the outside zone. We all agree Montgomery isn't a bad player, but Herbert averaged 1.5 yards MORE per carry than him behind the same line, in the same scheme. Herbert is also one of the most efficient RBs in the league. He spends among the least amount of time actually in the backfield, reads and hits the hole fast, and he gets yards after contact (Monty better here).

 

So I think it would be a bit of a waste demoting Herbert to a clear #2 RB again. I think the best use of resources would be to find a complement to him that can pass block and catch the ball and give Herbert 200 carries for the first time in his career. There's tons of guys in this draft that would be good complements, and if they want to go with a dynamic RB, I'd rather wait until the 2nd to see if Jahmyr Gibbs is on the board.

[UMFan83]

It's great to see the Bears maximize the value of a #1 pick without there being a true 1/1 standout.

 

It takes the Bears from being by far the worst in league at WR to middle of the pack.

 

In this spot, the best BPA will still be a position of need..

 

(I'm assuming Carter goes top 7) The most likely BPA will be B. Robinson. I know RBs don't have the same draft value given their attrition but he would give this offense another dimension. A great HB to already go with what Moore will provide as well as a progressing Fields would take so much stress off of Justin.

 

Hadn’t thought about Robinson. If we wanted to go that route we could almost certainly trade down again to get him. With Herbert currently at the top of the depth chart it is a position of need unless they do something in FA/resign Monty, though Edge rusher and OLine are much more needed

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Drafting an RB at no. 9 overall might be my least favorite option. Id almost rather take a (shudder) defender

[BigbadB]

Hearing rumblings that the Bears won"t be outbid for Dremont Jones or Orlando Brown

[raw]

Hearing rumblings that the Bears won"t be outbid for Dremont Jones or Orlando Brown

 

Jones, I hope that is the case. Brown is interesting. Everything Poles and Flus have said is they want fast, big, and athletic players for their team, and Brown is probably the least athletic player in the NFL. He's certainly still a very good player, but to pay him top of his position pay and then put him in a scheme that wants their OL to move get to the outside or the 2nd level, seems like a change in everything they've told us.

[WrigleyField 22]

Hearing rumblings that the Bears won"t be outbid for Dremont Jones or Orlando Brown

Wouldn't be surprised at either. The possible L/R choice between Brown and Jones is slightly interesting, though it you're going off traditional measures, Jones makes more sense as a RT for sure. But always some risk moving a guy

[WrigleyField 22]

Hearing rumblings that the Bears won"t be outbid for Dremont Jones or Orlando Brown

 

Jones, I hope that is the case. Brown is interesting. Everything Poles and Flus have said is they want fast, big, and athletic players for their team, and Brown is probably the least athletic player in the NFL. He's certainly still a very good player, but to pay him top of his position pay and then put him in a scheme that wants their OL to move get to the outside or the 2nd level, seems like a change in everything they've told us.

Yep, I won't complain about Brown or be shocked. But always had that feeling the Poles connection was just a lazy one that didn't necessarily fit what we know.

 

But it's a good sign to sometimes recognize that talent trumps scheme and vision. Getsy would have to adapt to his best players which every good coach should be expected to do.