Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[Bertz]

 

Most prominent draft guys would put Fields coming out of college ahead of any of these guys this year.

 

It's possible this is true, but I personally have not heard it from anyone but bears fans

 

I listen to a lot of sports radio. I have no idea if there's a tweet out there that said it, but Matt Miller, for one, said on the Score that he'd have Fields #1 in this draft, easily.

 

This is the closest I can find to proof of that in under 30 seconds. I can vouch for having heard Nate Tice say it too on a podcast.

 

 

(calling him an NFL scout is a stretch)

 

Matt Miller definitely said it in writing too

 

[WrigleyField 22]

I think this is my favorite part of Fields NFL write up:

 

Like Dak Prescott before him,

 

horsefeathering Dak Prescott?

 

Let's check in on Dak's writeup while we're here..

 

Hard to find an NFL comp for Prescott because he's built like Donovan McNabb, but lacks McNabb's ability and polish.

 

My mind is dizzying.

 

Here's a great one too from a combine overview

Ascending quarterback prospect who possesses the swagger and arm talent to create explosive plays inside and outside the pocket. The gunslinger's mentality and improvised release points are clearly patterned off of one of his favorite players, Aaron Rodgers. However, his play is a little more reminiscent of a blend between Jake Plummer and Johnny Manziel coming out of college.

 

Did this person just completely mix up their Green Bay QBs?! horsefeathers it. Zach Wilson could be Aaron Rodgers now because... Zach likes him.

[raw]

 

Yeah, I'm sure you did your due diligence to actually look.

 

https://dawindycity.com/2023/01/27/chicago-bears-news-draft-expert-fields-better-young/

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/espn-analyst-doesnt-understand-bears-justin-fields-trade-talks

https://clutchpoints.com/bears-news-micah-parsons-fires-back-at-justin-fields-bryce-young-debate

 

None of those links says Justin fields coming out of college was better than young.

 

The first one says he's better now than Young is now, which isn't the same thing.

 

The other two just say the bears should continue building around fields, which is even less close to the same thing.

 

I understand that not everyone is going to have the same desire for literal interpretations that I do, but there's got to be a *little* more nuance than just assuming all pro-fields sentiments are completely equivalent.

 

IDK if you have a hairy dick, but I can vouch for the 2nd part of your name.

[UMFan83]

All those reports read like evaluating QBs is flawed and often very difficult

[WrigleyField 22]

All those reports read like evaluating QBs is flawed and often very difficult

Undoubtedly so.

 

But there is such a tonal difference in some of these that's very stark in the way things get framed.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

Yeah, I'm sure you did your due diligence to actually look.

 

https://dawindycity.com/2023/01/27/chicago-bears-news-draft-expert-fields-better-young/

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/espn-analyst-doesnt-understand-bears-justin-fields-trade-talks

https://clutchpoints.com/bears-news-micah-parsons-fires-back-at-justin-fields-bryce-young-debate

 

None of those links says Justin fields coming out of college was better than young.

 

The first one says he's better now than Young is now, which isn't the same thing.

 

The other two just say the bears should continue building around fields, which is even less close to the same thing.

 

I understand that not everyone is going to have the same desire for literal interpretations that I do, but there's got to be a *little* more nuance than just assuming all pro-fields sentiments are completely equivalent.

 

IDK if you have a hairy dick, but I can vouch for the 2nd part of your name.

 

Would it help if I linked you to three articles not actually backing up what I said but it kinda felt like they were generally supportive of me?

[UMFan83]

I keep going back to this game with Fields. I know it didn't end great, but for the first 55 minutes of the game he looked as in control and locked into the offense as I've ever seen him. He did have more time to throw in this one than I've seen in other games, but he also was comfortable in the pocket and not looking to break free when he got some pressure. While it wasn't flawless, in general he found guys downfield and made great throws. I believe this was his highest graded PFF game as a passer in his career.

 

 

When I imagine what Fields could look like if he reaches his potential as a passer and gets some help, this is probably what it looks like.

[raw]

 

None of those links says Justin fields coming out of college was better than young.

 

The first one says he's better now than Young is now, which isn't the same thing.

 

The other two just say the bears should continue building around fields, which is even less close to the same thing.

 

I understand that not everyone is going to have the same desire for literal interpretations that I do, but there's got to be a *little* more nuance than just assuming all pro-fields sentiments are completely equivalent.

 

IDK if you have a hairy dick, but I can vouch for the 2nd part of your name.

 

Would it help if I linked you to three articles not actually backing up what I said but it kinda felt like they were generally supportive of me?

 

It completely backs up what I said, it just doesn't say word for word what the horsefeathers you want it to say. And you know it, you're just being you. You said you hadn't heard it anywhere but Bears fans. I gave you Mel Kiper and you still disagree because that's what you do for the sake of doing it.

 

The only way you can help me is if you stay the horsefeathers out of my comments. Don't quote me. Don't respond to me. Disagree all you want, and be publicly wrong on your own time.

[raw]

I keep going back to this game with Fields. I know it didn't end great, but for the first 55 minutes of the game he looked as in control and locked into the offense as I've ever seen him. He did have more time to throw in this one than I've seen in other games, but he also was comfortable in the pocket and not looking to break free when he got some pressure. While it wasn't flawless, in general he found guys downfield and made great throws. I believe this was his highest graded PFF game as a passer in his career.

 

 

When I imagine what Fields could look like if he reaches his potential as a passer and gets some help, this is probably what it looks like.

 

That was the only game where he didn't get sacked multiple times (actually 0, 2 or more in every other game) and he had a career high completion percentage (despite 2 INTs) and a season high in passing yards.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

IDK if you have a hairy dick, but I can vouch for the 2nd part of your name.

 

Would it help if I linked you to three articles not actually backing up what I said but it kinda felt like they were generally supportive of me?

 

It completely backs up what I said, it just doesn't say word for word what the horsefeathers you want it to say. And you know it, you're just being you. You said you hadn't heard it anywhere but Bears fans. I gave you Mel Kiper and you still disagree because that's what you do for the sake of doing it.

 

The only way you can help me is if you stay the horsefeathers out of my comments. Don't quote me. Don't respond to me. Disagree all you want, and be publicly wrong on your own time.

 

Hard pass. Just use your fuzzy reading skills to convince yourself that whatever I post is actually agreeing with you.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's worth noting that while the role of racism in sport scouting is 100% real and important to talk about, both QBs at the top of this draft class are black and are known for their pocket passer skills while having doubts about their physical traits.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's worth noting that while the role of racism in sport scouting is 100% real and important to talk about, both QBs at the top of this draft class are black and are known for their pocket passer skills while having doubts about their physical traits.

 

yea, I mean justin fields was also thought about as being a pocket passer .... but he ALSO had amazing physical traits:

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-justin-fields/

 

 

Kyle, I feel like you want to be right about something no one else was right about. I think it would give you a sense of accomplishment, a feeling of mental superiority. That's cool I guess...you be you as they say....but also accept that you really don't know much

[David]

It's worth noting that while the role of racism in sport scouting is 100% real and important to talk about, both QBs at the top of this draft class are black and are known for their pocket passer skills while having doubts about their physical traits.

 

yea, I mean justin fields was also thought about as being a pocket passer .... but he ALSO had amazing physical traits:

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-justin-fields/

 

 

Kyle, I feel like you want to be right about something no one else was right about. I think it would give you a sense of accomplishment, a feeling of mental superiority. That's cool I guess...you be you as they say....but also accept that you really don't know much

 

nah man he's just super pedantic because of the way his brain is wired. i get it. i'm not as bad, but i get it.

 

it sucks even more IRL because I often find that i can't have a conversation without arguing if i don't agree (assuming it's something i care/know about), and a lot of people don't respond great to that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

It's worth noting that while the role of racism in sport scouting is 100% real and important to talk about, both QBs at the top of this draft class are black and are known for their pocket passer skills while having doubts about their physical traits.

 

yea, I mean justin fields was also thought about as being a pocket passer .... but he ALSO had amazing physical traits:

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-justin-fields/

 

 

Kyle, I feel like you want to be right about something no one else was right about. I think it would give you a sense of accomplishment, a feeling of mental superiority. That's cool I guess...you be you as they say....but also accept that you really don't know much

 

nah man he's just super pedantic because of the way his brain is wired. i get it. i'm not as bad, but i get it.

 

it sucks even more IRL because I often find that i can't have a conversation without arguing if i don't agree (assuming it's something i care/know about), and a lot of people don't respond great to that.

 

ah..the disagreeable esoteric. I hadn't considered that

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's worth noting that while the role of racism in sport scouting is 100% real and important to talk about, both QBs at the top of this draft class are black and are known for their pocket passer skills while having doubts about their physical traits.

 

yea, I mean justin fields was also thought about as being a pocket passer .... but he ALSO had amazing physical traits:

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-justin-fields/

 

 

Kyle, I feel like you want to be right about something no one else was right about. I think it would give you a sense of accomplishment, a feeling of mental superiority. That's cool I guess...you be you as they say....but also accept that you really don't know much

 

I promise you nothing on this board has ever given me a sense of accomplishment or pride. I'm appropriately ashamed at all times. Except maybe trolling imb.

[WrigleyField 22]

It's worth noting that while the role of racism in sport scouting is 100% real and important to talk about, both QBs at the top of this draft class are black and are known for their pocket passer skills while having doubts about their physical traits.

 

yea, I mean justin fields was also thought about as being a pocket passer .... but he ALSO had amazing physical traits:

 

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-qb-justin-fields/

 

 

Kyle, I feel like you want to be right about something no one else was right about. I think it would give you a sense of accomplishment, a feeling of mental superiority. That's cool I guess...you be you as they say....but also accept that you really don't know much

 

I promise you nothing on this board has ever given me a sense of accomplishment or pride. I'm appropriately ashamed at all times. Except maybe trolling imb.

The only person allowed to have a sense of accomplishment about this site is Tim. The rest of us should go outside if we ever do.

[minnesotacubsfan]

..I'm appropriately ashamed at all times. Except maybe trolling imb.

 

i take pride in being trolled by imb....its like he has nothing better to do

 

lol

[knoblejr]

Will Anderson has to be our guy and here is why. He is the best player hands down

 

https://www.draftdive.com/will-anderson-jr-scouting-report/

[minnesotacubsfan]

No idea if this is reliable or just some twitter dude, but this would be a nice trade

 

[CubinNY]

No idea if this is reliable or just some twitter dude, but this would be a nice trade

 

Lol, they could turn around and trade down again, and get almost half an All American team in this year’s draft.

[UMFan83]

No idea if this is reliable or just some twitter dude, but this would be a nice trade

 

 

that would be one of the most shocking trades I’ve ever seen, 2 additional 1st round picks and a 2nd to move up 1 spot in the draft when all they had to do was not convert 2 4th and super longs on the final drive of their last meaningless game and convert a 2 point conversion

[Tryptamine]

No idea if this is reliable or just some twitter dude, but this would be a nice trade

 

 

that would be one of the most shocking trades I’ve ever seen, 2 additional 1st round picks and a 2nd to move up 1 spot in the draft when all they had to do was not convert 2 4th and super longs on the final drive of their last meaningless game and convert a 2 point conversion

 

#2, #12 and a 2024 pick that might turn into Marvin Harrison Jr. I refuse to let myself even slightly believe something this good is possible.

[We Got The Whole 9]

If they end up with an elite QB than it was a good trade though, right? Yeah it's only moving up one spot but the competition is fierce. I think it's hella far fetched but can sort of see the logic behind it.

 

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[minnesotacubsfan]

In the replies, be says his source is "HH" which assume is Halas Hall

 

Idk, I think I'd start calling Poles "King Poles" if it does happen

[UMFan83]

Without even accounting for the 2024 1st, the difference in value between what the Bears would offer (1 ovr) and what the Texans would offer (2 ovr, 12 ovr, 33 ovr) is the equivalent of the Bears getting an extra 6th overall pick of surplus value. I can’t remember what the value of a next year 1st is but that would make it even crazier.

 

I could believe it a little if there was a consensus no doubt generational QB in this draft but no one is even certain who the number 1 pick will be. Texans would have to be pretty certain they were getting a generational talent to be that desperate to trade up 1 spot I would think