Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

[WrigleyField 22]

Definitely with your 3T backup being a UDFA right now, I'd say, might as well not cut Justin Jones. Or find another bit FA player. But I don't see that spot as "just" a depth role. It's a spot they're gonna rotate bodies through - he could see 40% of D snaps.

 

Yeah, I didn't think that through until the depth chart. LOL. They do have 3 other guys on futures deals or guys that were added in the Week 18 tank effort that could fill a spot.

I think I'd still want more than a futures guy. Maybe J Jones is an overpay, but Dre'Mont played about 80% of the snaps last year for Denver. So it could very well be a 20% snap backup role - definitely a significant role and not like Mike LB or CB where your backup only plays in injury. Once you get outside of the top 30 of DL the snap count % falls below 75% of snaps. So for the average team, most of your line is probably a bunch of guys in the 30-60% snap range and maybe 1 or 2 guys above that.

 

Gaines was getting 90%+ of Rams snaps before getting injured and ending year at about 80% of snaps. So I guess you could aim for all of Gaines, Jones, and Carter to get 67% of snaps, and basically run a 3 man rotation across those spots, with Carter and Gaines spending some of their time at 3T.... But would be very thin.

 

(Snap count data) https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/snap-counts/dl.php?show=perc

[raw]

Definitely with your 3T backup being a UDFA right now, I'd say, might as well not cut Justin Jones. Or find another bit FA player. But I don't see that spot as "just" a depth role. It's a spot they're gonna rotate bodies through - he could see 40% of D snaps.

 

Yeah, I didn't think that through until the depth chart. LOL. They do have 3 other guys on futures deals or guys that were added in the Week 18 tank effort that could fill a spot.

I think I'd still want more than a futures guy. Maybe J Jones is an overpay, but Dre'Mont played about 80% of the snaps last year for Denver. So it could very well be a 20% snap backup role - definitely a significant role and not like Mike LB or CB where your backup only plays in injury. Once you get outside of the top 30 of DL the snap count % falls below 75% of snaps. So for the average team, most of your line is probably a bunch of guys in the 30-60% snap range and maybe 1 or 2 guys above that.

 

Gaines was getting 90%+ of Rams snaps before getting injured and ending year at about 80% of snaps. So I guess you could aim for all of Gaines, Jones, and Carter to get 67% of snaps, and basically run a 3 man rotation across those spots, with Carter and Gaines spending some of their time at 3T.... But would be very thin.

 

(Snap count data) https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/snap-counts/dl.php?show=perc

 

Yeah, I did think about those 3 getting like 90% of the snaps combined. Plus, Omenihu could move inside on true pass rush downs. But you'd probably still need a 4th capable guy. Carter has never played a ton of snaps being on a Georgia loaded DL.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea and there are questions on Carters consistency too. If he's the guy, I kind of want to see him just be a terror on a relatively low snap count and make big impact when he's in. Obviously in time you want him to also be a 80%+ snap count guy too. But if as a rookie he was a 50% weapon that might maximize his value and allow coaches to focus on him being consistent.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Beautiful raw. If we ended up with Carter and Schmitz I'd be happy as a pig in horsefeathers

[scarey]

Maybe I'm behind the times in NFL free agent signings, but are there a lot of two years deals being signed?

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe I'm behind the times in NFL free agent signings, but are there a lot of two years deals being signed?

In the end of the pool that Ryan Poles swims in, yes. Half the guys they signed last year were two year deals.

[raw]

Maybe I'm behind the times in NFL free agent signings, but are there a lot of two years deals being signed?

 

The only guys signing for more than 2 years are like the top 50 guys. Most of the NFL is on 1 or 2 year deals other than guys on rookie deals and star players. I think the expectation that the Bears sign a bunch of top 50 guys, despite the money they have, is a stretch.

[WrigleyField 22]

Maybe I'm behind the times in NFL free agent signings, but are there a lot of two years deals being signed?

 

The only guys signing for more than 2 years are like the top 50 guys. Most of the NFL is on 1 or 2 year deals other than guys on rookie deals and star players. I think the expectation that the Bears sign a bunch of top 50 guys, despite the money they have, is a stretch.

They could certainly be a bit more agressive than that in terms of years. But they don't necessafipy need to be. Just from a cash planning perspective you're likely pretty close to what they need to do, as is.

 

Just by way of reference though, the top FA spending team least year, the Jags has a distribution among their top 8 signings (all making > $5M per)

4 years : 1

3 years : 5

2 years : 0

1 years : 2

 

May be a bit more than 50 that get 3+ year deals in FA,.

[David]

[raw]

Irsay's probably talking about Will Anderson.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Irsay's probably talking about Will Anderson.

I don't care he's fetishing about as long as he gives a kings ransom to the Bears for the #1

[Tim]

The PFF mock draft tool once gave me:

 

2023 Picks: 4, 25, 79, 106

2024 Picks: Round 1, 2, 3

2025 Picks: Round 1, 2

Michael Pittman, Jr

 

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So I expect absolutely nothing less in return in real life.

[WrigleyField 22]

The PFF mock draft tool once gave me:

 

2023 Picks: 4, 25, 79, 106

2024 Picks: Round 1, 2, 3

2025 Picks: Round 1, 2

Michael Pittman, Jr

 

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So I expect absolutely nothing less in return in real life.

Tim, put the PFF mock draft site away.

[bukie]

The PFF mock draft tool once gave me:

 

2023 Picks: 4, 25, 79, 106

2024 Picks: Round 1, 2, 3

2025 Picks: Round 1, 2

Michael Pittman, Jr

 

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So I expect absolutely nothing less in return in real life.

I did a trade with Houston for 2 and 12 and they went and took Anderson with the #1 pick, out of what I can only imagine is spite for winning that last game of the season.

[Tim]

The PFF mock draft tool once gave me:

 

2023 Picks: 4, 25, 79, 106

2024 Picks: Round 1, 2, 3

2025 Picks: Round 1, 2

Michael Pittman, Jr

 

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So I expect absolutely nothing less in return in real life.

Tim, put the PFF mock draft site away.

lol - but they just updated all the player rankings again. I need to start all over!

[Outshined_One]

Is it weird that I'm favoring a trade with the Raiders more than a trade with the Colts at this point? I get the sense that the Raiders will be desperate to make a splash at QB after the whole Carr debacle, that they are more likely to be bad over the next two years than the Colts, that the team is grossly mismanaged, and that the draft has enough depth along the lines that the Bears could still grab a high quality guy at 7.

 

We probably won't see a trade for at least another month or so, but it's fun to mull these things over.

[raw]

Is it weird that I'm favoring a trade with the Raiders more than a trade with the Colts at this point? I get the sense that the Raiders will be desperate to make a splash at QB after the whole Carr debacle, that they are more likely to be bad over the next two years than the Colts, that the team is grossly mismanaged, and that the draft has enough depth along the lines that the Bears could still grab a high quality guy at 7.

 

We probably won't see a trade for at least another month or so, but it's fun to mull these things over.

 

I'm convinced the Raiders are going vet QB. Now that they cut Carr, they have 48M in cap space. They have ties to a couple of the top QBs that could be available with Rodgers- Adams and Garoppolo- McDaniels and they have the money and willingness to get a deal done. McDaniels has to win soon. He may have been on the hot seat if not for the Raiders not wanting to eat a bunch of money. And IDK if guys like Adams will sit around and wait for a young QB to develop.

 

I think Carolina is a fun team to think about a trade with. They have two 2's, and two 4's from the McCaffery trade. They are also over the cap, so vet QB is probably out for them. And they hired a QB guy in Frank Reich, who I'm sure thinks he can develop a QB and would prefer that over another vet as he had to deal with Rivers, Ryan and Wentz the last few years in Indianapolis. They also have some big salary players that could be of major interest to the Bears like DJ Moore, Brian Burns and Derrick Brown.

[David]

[WrigleyField 22]

TLDR: give us government funding!

[UMFan83]

TLDR: give us government funding!

 

I think they'll eventually get some funding but I'm guessing its going to be a bit of a battle before anything happens.

[WrigleyField 22]

TLDR: give us government funding!

 

I think they'll eventually get some funding but I'm guessing its going to be a bit of a battle before anything happens.

Hope so!

 

To clarify, that they battle for a pittance.

[BigbadB]

TLDR: give us government funding!

 

Pritzger is already on record saying he won't cough up any money for a stadium. Of course, no one has greased his wheels yet, so it's still too early to say it won't happen.

[WrigleyField 22]

TLDR: give us government funding!

 

Pritzger is already on record saying he won't cough up any money for a stadium. Of course, no one has greased his wheels yet, so it's still too early to say it won't happen.

And the Bears said they aren't asking for it "for the stadium"

 

TBD, though I do luckily think Bears have uphill battle.

[David]

I hate barstool too but I heard some really good snippets from this interview today and figured I'd share for anyone who wasn't aware of it

 

 

(not sure if the timestamp will work on here but it's on there)

[CubinNY]

On a scale of 1-10 how crazy would it be for the Bears to trade fields to a team like the Raiders and use the #1 pick for a QB?