Bears Week 8 @ Cowboys, Sunday 10/30 1pm

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That was the first game this season I thought fields looked like a good QB on a bad team rather than a mediocre or bad QB on a bad team

[WrigleyField 22]

That was the first game this season I thought fields looked like a good QB on a bad team rather than a mediocre or bad QB on a bad team

Unfortunately due to the latter issue, QB scramble is still like a top 5 play in this offense.

[gflore34]

That was the first game this season I thought fields looked like a good QB on a bad team rather than a mediocre or bad QB on a bad team

Unfortunately due to the latter issue, QB scramble is still like a top 5 play in this offense.

 

At the very least it beginning to appear that a dependable WR along with competent pass blocking is what's necessary not a QB. Think we need to see a few more good performances but, it's starting to lean towards the surrounding cast being the problem.

[Soul]

That was the first game this season I thought fields looked like a good QB on a bad team rather than a mediocre or bad QB on a bad team

Unfortunately due to the latter issue, QB scramble is still like a top 5 play in this offense.

 

At the very least it beginning to appear that a dependable WR along with competent pass blocking is what's necessary not a QB. Think we need to see a few more good performances but, it's starting to lean towards the surrounding cast being the problem.

Given where we are at, that’s best case.

[WrigleyField 22]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

[gflore34]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

There's a chance one of them will emerge, if so, that leaves the draft to address WR, there's a chance Smith-Njigba' going to fall out of the first round. How great could it be if the Bears are able to go OL with the first round and grab Smith-Njigba with a second?

[Bertz]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

Sign the best OL to hit FA (hopefully the Colts are dumb enough to let Nelson go)

Sign Mike Gesicki

Use the rest of your cap space on defense

Draft a WR with your 1st, add another WR and an OL on day 2

Profit

[WrigleyField 22]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

There's a chance one of them will emerge, if so, that leaves the draft to address WR, there's a chance Smith-Njigba' going to fall out of the first round. How great could it be if the Bears are able to go OL with the first round and grab Smith-Njigba with a second?

I really don't want to see them only rely on the draft to give Fields weapons.

 

They are basically gonna have to go sign 4 starters at absolute minimum, and that's if they're all really big deals. More likely theyre gonna be signing 6 starter type money deals. If at least 3 of them (WR, C, T) aren't offense Poles will have failed Fields and the O. If he does that he can go splurge on a couple DL too and then do whatever he wants in draft.

[WrigleyField 22]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

Sign the best OL to hit FA (hopefully the Colts are dumb enough to let Nelson go)

Sign Mike Gesicki

Use the rest of your cap space on defense

Draft a WR with your 1st, add another WR and an OL on day 2

Profit

Gesicki and one OL isn't enough for the O in FA.

 

Gesicki is interesting. But I'd see him more as complementary to the O if they wanna get really freaky on O.

 

Really the only question is if it's gonna be worth parting with a high value pick in order to get the best WR you can to support Fields. I lean towards no, and just use FA and draft, but not outrihht eliminating the idea.

[jersey cubs fan]

So is the consensus “good loss”?

[WrigleyField 22]

So is the consensus “good loss”?

Fields looked good against a great D and they helped draft position.

 

I conceptually hate admitting these exist, but yes, good loss.

[gflore34]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

There's a chance one of them will emerge, if so, that leaves the draft to address WR, there's a chance Smith-Njigba' going to fall out of the first round. How great could it be if the Bears are able to go OL with the first round and grab Smith-Njigba with a second?

I really don't want to see them only rely on the draft to give Fields weapons.

 

They are basically gonna have to go sign 4 starters at absolute minimum, and that's if they're all really big deals. More likely theyre gonna be signing 6 starter type money deals. If at least 3 of them (WR, C, T) aren't offense Poles will have failed Fields and the O. If he does that he can go splurge on a couple DL too and then do whatever he wants in draft.

 

I'd like to think Poles won't rely solely on the draft, he's got the resources to attack building around Fields with FA and the draft. Puts him in possibly, the best position of any team in the 2023 offseason, don't think there's another team that comes close to resources the Bears will have at their hand.

 

It's pretty bizarre how the Bears went from one extreme, 2022 offseason with very little resources to 2023 most resources in the NFL.

Edited October 30, 2022 by gflore34

[minnesotacubsfan]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

I'm getting more impressed with Harry and I hope he can make that decision /idea moot.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

There's a chance one of them will emerge, if so, that leaves the draft to address WR, there's a chance Smith-Njigba' going to fall out of the first round. How great could it be if the Bears are able to go OL with the first round and grab Smith-Njigba with a second?

I really don't want to see them only rely on the draft to give Fields weapons.

 

They are basically gonna have to go sign 4 starters at absolute minimum, and that's if they're all really big deals. More likely theyre gonna be signing 6 starter type money deals. If at least 3 of them (WR, C, T) aren't offense Poles will have failed Fields and the O. If he does that he can go splurge on a couple DL too and then do whatever he wants in draft.

 

I'd like to think Poles won't rely solely on the draft, he's got the resources to attack building around Fields with FA and the draft. Puts him in possibly, the best position of any team in the 2023 offseason, don't think there's another team that comes close to resources the Bears will have at their hand.

Eh, there's plenty of teams with multiple 1sts including likely top 5/10 picks, and plenty of cap room too. Bears cap total, while gaudy, is way past diminishing returns.

 

But they definitely will be like top 5 resource wise.

 

But none of those teams (off top of my head) has a Fields level QB prospect in hand, so they'll most likely be looking for one with their resources. So maybe that evens it out. I just hate they have this much cap room. Give me one good WR and OL from the last FA class and I'd be happy to have "only" $60M in cap space.

[WrigleyField 22]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

I'm getting more impressed with Harry and I hope he can make that decision /idea moot.

He definitely won't make adding another WR moot, IMO. I don't care if he goes off for 50/540 the rest of the way, I'd still want another WR.

 

But being he can play a true X role, you can feel much more confident going agressive at say a Jakobi Meyers type who gets 70% of his snaps from the slot. And make you comfortable that you don't need 2 WR in FA.

[gflore34]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

Sign the best OL to hit FA (hopefully the Colts are dumb enough to let Nelson go)

Sign Mike Gesicki

Use the rest of your cap space on defense

Draft a WR with your 1st, add another WR and an OL on day 2

Profit

Gesicki and one OL isn't enough for the O in FA.

 

Gesicki is interesting. But I'd see him more as complementary to the O if they wanna get really freaky on O.

 

Really the only question is if it's gonna be worth parting with a high value pick in order to get the best WR you can to support Fields. I lean towards no, and just use FA and draft, but not outrihht eliminating the idea.

 

Believe Dallas TE Schultz is also a 2023 UFA, might be a better addition.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Sign the best OL to hit FA (hopefully the Colts are dumb enough to let Nelson go)

Sign Mike Gesicki

Use the rest of your cap space on defense

Draft a WR with your 1st, add another WR and an OL on day 2

Profit

Gesicki and one OL isn't enough for the O in FA.

 

Gesicki is interesting. But I'd see him more as complementary to the O if they wanna get really freaky on O.

 

Really the only question is if it's gonna be worth parting with a high value pick in order to get the best WR you can to support Fields. I lean towards no, and just use FA and draft, but not outrihht eliminating the idea.

 

Believe Dallas TE Schultz is also a 2023 UFA, might be a better addition.

Schultz looks like he's being passed on the pecking order by a 4th round Rookie TE. He's officially gonna be in "buy low one year prove it" territory.

[raw]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

Neither are under contract for next year though. So, you'd have to give either new money. And ideally, you'd only bring 1 of them back. You basically have to decide between Harry's upside and St. Brown's run blocking. St. Brown kinda is what he is at this point, but Harry is easily the more talented WR. Ideally, whichever one you bring back is battling Velus for the 4th WR. The Bears need a real X (doesn't have to be big) and a slot.

[raw]

I wouldn't spend resources on a TE. Kmet is fine. He's been asked to pass protect a ton because of the OL issues and the need to move the pocket for Fields (which is because of OL issues and Fields' strengths). Kmet has been up and down as a blocker, but it would be nice to be able to use him as an actual receiving option instead of a 6th lineman/checkdown option.

[raw]

Herbert 16 carries for 99 yards vs Monty 15 carries for 53 yards and a lost fumble. Monty is obviously going to get work but seems like a changing of the guard

 

I don't think they are going to trade Montgomery, but yeah, he isn't coming back.

[WrigleyField 22]

Harry and St Brown might be just enough at X that you don't need to force yourself on a big body WR to complement Mooney and can just go get the best WR you can to help Fields, even if he's more a slot type. Just make sure you fix the OL enough so you can actually run 11 personnel and block with a 6 man protection.

 

Neither are under contract for next year though. So, you'd have to give either new money. And ideally, you'd only bring 1 of them back. You basically have to decide between Harry's upside and St. Brown's run blocking. St. Brown kinda is what he is at this point, but Harry is easily the more talented WR. Ideally, whichever one you bring back is battling Velus for the 4th WR. The Bears need a real X (doesn't have to be big) and a slot.

I don't think St Brown will cost much. Probably another minimum contract. Thats assuming Harry doesn't make him totally irrelevant.

 

Harry definitely more interesting. He has the pedigree where just looking capable over the back 9 here could drive up his price in what's likely a weak WR market. Especially a WR with maybe like one starting X.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So is the consensus “good loss”?

 

From my POV, which is that defense is stupid and only Fields really matters, it was fantastic.

 

Watch this touchdown throw at 5:10:

 

 

He drops back, he goes through his progressions, and the *instant* he looks at the WR he throws it in rhythm. The WR isn't wide open, but it's man coverage and Fields throws to the receiver's leverage to get enough of a window for the catch. Exactly what he didn't seem able to do early in the season.

 

I'm struggling to think of many plays I would ding him for. He underthrew a deep ball early, but he threw a perfect one later.

[SouthSideRyan]

Herbert 16 carries for 99 yards vs Monty 15 carries for 53 yards and a lost fumble. Monty is obviously going to get work but seems like a changing of the guard

 

I don't think they are going to trade Montgomery, but yeah, he isn't coming back.

 

How about they dump him on whoever doesn’t want to meet Cleveland’s demands for Hunt

[SouthSideRyan]

Nagy ran the offense for however many years it was and I don’t recall a play call as baffling as the TE shovel pass with 11 seconds left from the 20.

[WrigleyField 22]

I wouldn't spend resources on a TE. Kmet is fine. He's been asked to pass protect a ton because of the OL issues and the need to move the pocket for Fields (which is because of OL issues and Fields' strengths). Kmet has been up and down as a blocker, but it would be nice to be able to use him as an actual receiving option instead of a 6th lineman/checkdown option.

Is Geisicki really a TE though? This year is his heaviest usage inline since 2018 at 97 / 269.

 

Last year he was 99 / 827 in line with 252 of those other snaps as wide. You can run a mix of 11/12 personnel with him in the game.